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I realize what you're getting at here, but there's a serious flaw in the logic by DigiLloyd. Yes, the 24GB spec was determined from 6x DIMM slots, and Yes it was also via 4GB UDIMM's. Thus 24GB.
They have more strange explanations on that site though. I too found this to be the most silly explanation why the memory controller only handles 24GB of memory. You need to read past that. This plus the OWC blog article are the only two things I could find about the 24-32GB story.

But that was done before 8GB DIMM's of any kind were out for DDR3 (Samsung's UDIMM's or any vendor making RDIMM's).
They seem to be talking quite a lot about the 8GB dimms and even updated the article a couple of times with new info about these modules.

Now since the memory controller is actually the same between the SP and DP parts, RDIMM's actually do work in the SP versions of the Xeon line (35xx, 36xx, 55xx, and 56xx parts - all LGA1366 sockets and use the same memory controller - the difference is the 2nd QPI channel in the DP versions, which require a different chipset).
Than the SP models should be able to address the 228GB as the DP cpu's do. I'm not too sure about that. It does make sense in one way: just one memory controller for all their cpu's. I just don't think it is that easy (why not create 1 cpu and disable stuff like cores on it...it's not feasible when you look at the financial part of the story).

This can be confirmed by looking to non Apple sources if it works or not (SP servers/workstations), and the information demonstrates that it does in terms of the memory controller within the CPU's (8GB UDIMM or RDIMM works on Nehalem architecture).
Could you name a few? Most of the search result was about the Mac Pro or some site that copied the Intel specs.

What I don't get, is why Intel hasn't updated that spec since RDIMM's have released to market. :confused:
Well, Intel and specs on their website..sometimes specs seem to be living their own lives or something.

Now it's possible that the memory capacity is reported at 32GB via UDIMM, but only work as 16 in a MP, but there won't be a gain in performance between 4GB UDIMM and 8GB UDIMM. No such report yet, though as 8GB UDIMM's are rare, it's not likely we'll see this one bore out one way or the other in a MP.
And that's exactly the problem, there aren't any user reports about it working as such so we still don't know for sure. Which makes it a shame that OWC hasn't done some sort of follow up on their blog article. The article as it is now simply isn't that convincing.
 
They have more strange explanations on that site though. I too found this to be the most silly explanation why the memory controller only handles 24GB of memory. You need to read past that. This plus the OWC blog article are the only two things I could find about the 24-32GB story.
I don't take DigiLloyd's site all that serious when it comes to hardware (take a look at his storage configurations if you know how to handle RAID). BTW, I'm not the only one. ;)

As per software such as Photoshop, ..., he seems to be more knowledgeable on.
Than the SP models should be able to address the 228GB as the DP cpu's do. I'm not too sure about that. It does make sense in one way: just one memory controller for all their cpu's. I just don't think it is that easy (why not create 1 cpu and disable stuff like cores on it...it's not feasible when you look at the financial part of the story).
It's to do with the number of DIMM slots per channel used with a particular board. That is, Intel designed the memory controller with 3x channels, but it can have 3x DIMMs per channel, for a total of 9x DIMM slots. That's per CPU, so in a DP system, you can actually have up to 18x DIMM slots. :eek:

But the board designers have other issues to contend with, such as what is the board designed for, and how much physical real estate is available. So most boards don't have but 2x DIMM's per channel in the workstation range, and Apple's board has fewer than that (hybrid config of 1x DIMM on 2x channels, and 2x DIMM's on one channel - they're not the only ones that do this either, as Intel has a board that does as well).

Now I did the work for you, and found the memory configuration on Sun's Ultra line using Nehalem processors (35xx and 55xx), which covers both their SP/UP systems and DP systems as well (here). Note that the RDIMM's work in the SP versions (Ultra 27 Workstation). It also applies to 36xx and 56xx parts as well, as the Westmere parts are the Tock part of the Tick-Tock cycle (Tock = die shrink, and maybe a few tweaks - the base architecture is Nehalem).

Could you name a few? Most of the search result was about the Mac Pro or some site that copied the Intel specs.
Most board specs do parrot Intel's data, as I noticed that the server and workstation boards stated 24GB of non-ECC memory, yet they're also meant to run the Xeon line (SP in particular), which is really weird. What's the point of stating non-ECC memory only? :confused: I can only presume laziness, but there may be other reasons (don't know comes to mind if the author isn't one of the designers or didn't get the information from one :rolleyes:).

As per links that show RDIMM's can be used in SP LGA1366 systems, I found one that's linked above (read carefully, as it's buried in there with a lot of other good info). It's a blog from a Sun's site (expect this is either a knowledgeable support specialist or an engineer, as there's no detailed information as to the author John Nerl).

Another good link (offers clearer information as to what happens to memory bandwidth when using multiple DIMM's per channel) is from Dell (here). It only refers to the DP systems, but is applicable to SP systems as well since they actually do use the same memory controller.

Well, Intel and specs on their website..sometimes specs seem to be living their own lives or something.
My instincts tell me it's a lack of communication and/or keeping the information updated with current parts availability (see the same with max capacities a lot with both systems and storage products). Even their board information only calls for 24GB of non-ECC in their SP/UP LGA1366 server/workstation boards. :eek: :rolleyes: :p

And that's exactly the problem, there aren't any user reports about it working as such so we still don't know for sure. Which makes it a shame that OWC hasn't done some sort of follow up on their blog article. The article as it is now simply isn't that convincing.
Forget DigiLloyd. I actually trust OWC over his hardware information, and the link to Sun contains the details (they wouldn't claim support if it weren't true - not of the Sun I've dealt with anyway....), and further information that supports it is in the link from Dell (despite it's only referring the DP systems). ;)
 
What would be the best deal/most bang for buck/ fastest machine...etc
Since its a big investment this purchase should last 4-5 years.

6-core is 200$ more expensive than the 8-core (2.4GHz) does the 200$ extra justifies the speed difference in comparison to the 8-core?

Programs i use are:

Indesign CS5
Photoshop CS5
Illustrator CS5
After Effects CS5
Final Cut Pro
Cubase/music editing software

I'm asking because to be honest i don't know anything about CPU speeds or computer hardware in general.

All the help would be much appreciated!

6 core because I am using it right now with adobe creative suite cs5.5, and let me tell you it's much faster compared to my friends 8 core using the same software. If you gonna use two cpu go with the 12 core instead, 2.4ghz x2 8 core is just a waste of money. I recommend the single quad core at 2.8 is still better than 8 core at 2.4ghz, trust me on this one as I also have a quad core 2.8ghz 2011. The apple rep that you were talking to is an idiot, first of all mac pro quad core 2.8ghz can fit 32gb of ram at 1333mhz even though it's rated at 1066mhz. I have 32gb of kingston 1333 install on my quad core, it'll down clock itself to 1066 but it's fully compatible as it says on their website. That said, to sum it up either go with quad, six or 12 in that pattern. Cheers
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6 core because I am using it right now with adobe creative suite cs5.5, and let me tell you it's much faster compared to my friends 8 core using the same software. If you gonna use two cpu go with the 12 core instead, 2.4ghz x2 8 core is just a waste of money. I recommend the single quad core at 2.8 is still better than 8 core at 2.4ghz, trust me on this one as I also have a quad core 2.8ghz 2011. The apple rep that you were talking to is an idiot, first of all mac pro quad core 2.8ghz can fit 32gb of ram at 1333mhz even though it's rated at 1066mhz. I have 32gb of kingston 1333 install on my quad core, it'll down clock itself to 1066 but it's fully compatible as it says on their website. That said, to sum it up either go with quad, six or 12 in that pattern. Cheers
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MacPro 5.1 2011/ 2.8 and 3.33ghz/ 32gb and 64gb of ram from owc/ 480gb MEP REx4 on both machines/ ATI 5870 on both/ M-Audio Profire 610/ Bose companion 5/ 2x LG blu ray writer/reader 10x on both/ Bose imei2
Iphone 4 32gb Black 2011
Ipod Classic 160gb Black 2011
Ipad 2 with 3G Black 2011

8 core all the way

will be much better utilize when new OS will come out specially if you can afford to max out on ram
go 8 core and be ready to go 64 gig of ram

my 8 core crashes 6 and 4 on multicore aps like LR

6 core was freezing up all the time on conversions and exports,

no I'm not talking about single image but 200 gig of images in up to 16 folders all exporting at the same time

go for cores and ram

FC will be multicore soon and will core and RAM hungry too
 
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8 core all the way

will be much better utilize when new OS will come out specially if you can afford to max out on ram
go 8 core and be ready to go 64 gig of ram

RAM capacity is only reason to go with the 2.4Ghz 8 core vs 3.33Ghz 6 core


my 8 core crashes 6 and 4 on multicore aps like LR

Lightroom barely makes use of 4 cores let alone 8 cores. LR is much faster on the 6 core using normal workflow.

6 core was freezing up all the time on conversions and exports,

no I'm not talking about single image but 200 gig of images in up to 16 folders all exporting at the same time

Who the heck processes 200gigs of images using 16 processes at the same time? At best it is just a benchmarking task. If you are saying the 6 core freezes when doing this task, then you might be right, it won't have enough memory capacity.
 
Pro Photographer would specially when working with large events, this is normal for me, 6 and 4 core may be faster on a single image but not on true Multicore usage
like it was sad in the past
6 and 4 core are perfect match for low end processing, but for moving and editing multiple folders at once they do struggle, its just life
more core do matter core speed not really, wait a month to see when new OS will come out and than FC those two will utilize new intels multithread architecture for now we are only stuck with only some programs that can utilize this and LR 3.x can use all the cores that your computer has
 
He only shows import as is very limited to cores, on the other hand export including compression is not limited at all and old (2009) 2.26 is faster than 6 core 3.33 on export to any high speed drive
Keep dreaming that cores don't matter
 
He only shows import as is very limited to cores, on the other hand export including compression is not limited at all and old (2009) 2.26 is faster than 6 core 3.33 on export to any high speed drive
Keep dreaming that cores don't matter

Not a chance it is faster. Keep dreaming your 8 core is somehow magically faster than the 6 core. For singe threaded apps, the 8 core 2.26 will be only 2/3 the speed of the 6 core 3.33. For apps that use all 8 cores it will stll be slower.

6x3.33 > 8x2.26

Btw, that review mentions he gets similar results in exporting. The only reason to get a low frequency 8 core is if you want the extra ram capacity. Pure speed, it is no contest.
 
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