Wait. Whenever a new better wireless standard (3G->4G->LTE, WiFi) came out prices increased? That's not how it worked. If that was the rule, we would pay $10,000 for a phone. I'm fairly sure Apple pays no more for the wireless modem than before.
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iPad Pro $799 Ouch $150 Premium why ?
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Why not a 10.5 on somewhere like Swappa, even for a brand new one? It’s the median of the 9.7 and the new 11. Newer tech but with Touch ID instead of Face ID. Bezels, but smaller than the 9.7. But you get the better display and Touch ID 2.0 instead of 1.0 on the 9.7.
It turns out I spoke to soon. I'm going to buy one after all. I sold my 10.5 for a good price so why not?
It's what everyone should be doing instead of wasting their time whinging about modest price increases.
If those price increases are modest, the word is due a major correction in meaning. 
Amen to that. I’ll add an extra 20 bucks for a headphone jack as well
You’re not alone my friend. In complete honesty the price just passed me by unnoticed. Even when I ordered I didn’t pay attention to it. The first of me really noticing and thinking about it was when I came on here.
Maybe it’s because I expected a price hike with the rumoured changes, I was pre-conditioned to it.
Now that I’ve thought about it, I still don’t care much.
Trouble is there’s enough millions of people happy to pay the price. Unless we managed to orchestrate a worldwide boycott of them, Apple won’t change their pricing. So if we want it, we have to pay what they’re asking. Or, wait for a refurb, or second hand one to get a lower price.
The price is steep, 11", 256gb storge, with cellular is priced at ultrabook territory. From a strictly tablet perspective it does seem like an amazing device, I can see that it'll be a truly fantastic tablet that's a joy to use. It'll compliment my ultrabook PC very well on the road, but no way can it stand alone as my only computing device. It's a new tier of iPads, with a new chassis and pricing scheme, definitely not meant to target your typical budget conscious iPad consumer audience.
Meh, I don't think so, but I don't slobber my hands all over the screen when holding my tablets.
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Yes but the functional improvement of having a smaller bezel still remains the same.
Smaller bezels means you can have a larger screen in the same size tablet, or a smaller tablet without reducing the screen size. For reference look at the picture I uploaded comparing the 2017 vs the 2018 ipad pro. The 2018 pro has the same screen size but with a markedly reduced footprint.
Suppose you have a phone - let's call it Phone X.
Every year you sell a new model of Phone X with your latest innovations, for 499.
At some point, people start complaining that Phone X is too expensive, so you introduce Phone W which is the "cheap version" for 299.
After some marketing team brainstorm sessions, you decide the company is not rich enough @ 1 trillion dollars and you want to screw your customers out of even more money.
So you do this scammy shift with your product line:
They go on praising this pricing as "wow look at how much more affordable Phone is for everyone!" while ignoring the fact that, if you wanted the company's best product with the latest innovations, you're forced to pay twice what you used to pay for the same treatment.
Now if you want a phone that costs the same as the old original price of 499, you're stuck with Phone W, which is nowhere near as nice, and mostly contains old technology that makes it look embarrassing next to the best offering.
And on top of that, you get so greedy that you start removing things from the box, like the 3.5mm dongle, because it costs so many pennies to create per phone. You also depreciate old accessories and make them not work with your newest product (like the Pencil for your Pad X) so that people have to go out and spend over a hundred dollars on a glorified stylus.
This is literally Apple. You used to pay the same money for Apple's best offering every year. This was great, and it promoted a cycle of yearly upgrades for a lot of people.
Now they've put their best marketing brains together and found a new scam to run, introducing a new "premium" tier that their original tier used to be.
If you enjoy being bent at 90 degrees every september, go for it.
Every year you sell a new model of Phone X with your latest innovations, for 499.
At some point, people start complaining that Phone X is too expensive, so you introduce Phone W which is the "cheap version" for 299.
After some marketing team brainstorm sessions, you decide the company is not rich enough @ 1 trillion dollars and you want to screw your customers out of even more money.
So you do this scammy shift with your product line:
They go on praising this pricing as "wow look at how much more affordable Phone is for everyone!" while ignoring the fact that, if you wanted the company's best product with the latest innovations, you're forced to pay twice what you used to pay for the same treatment.
Now if you want a phone that costs the same as the old original price of 499, you're stuck with Phone W, which is nowhere near as nice, and mostly contains old technology that makes it look embarrassing next to the best offering.
And on top of that, you get so greedy that you start removing things from the box, like the 3.5mm dongle, because it costs so many pennies to create per phone. You also depreciate old accessories and make them not work with your newest product (like the Pencil for your Pad X) so that people have to go out and spend over a hundred dollars on a glorified stylus.
This is literally Apple. You used to pay the same money for Apple's best offering every year. This was great, and it promoted a cycle of yearly upgrades for a lot of people.
Now they've put their best marketing brains together and found a new scam to run, introducing a new "premium" tier that their original tier used to be.
If you enjoy being bent at 90 degrees every september, go for it.
What is the functional improvement of smaller bezels? emphasis on "functional": i am not getting
your point
Once apple has you by the balls with ipads, they'll start increasing the prices even more(see iPhones). Look for the next 11inch iPad to start at $999.
Having a smaller device but the same size screen has many functional advantages. It's easier to hold, easier to write on, easier to transport, etc. It makes it easier to "function" as a tablet in some aspects. With that said functionality to a large extent can be unique to each user and depending on how they use their tablet.
I will admit I complained about the price also. If it wasn’t for the fact that I found a good deal reselling my iPad 10.5 model. I would not have been able to justify the cost. Face ID is nice on the new 11 inch I have. And overall I’m happy with the new one. But I don’t see anything that would justify the high price tag otherwise. In other words my old iPad was just fine. Had it not been the fact that I got more for my old iPad. I wouldn’t have upgraded.
Except the best iPhone was never $499, it was $769 base price, so you're talking a $230 price increase from the Plus to X base model to base model.
Phone X also gained an OLED display that the part cost itself doubled from $52.50 on the Plus LCD to $111 for the OLED from build cost estimates out there. Add in steel instead of aluminum, more expensive. Add in the more expensive Face ID hardware than Touch ID; more expensive. And people expected to get this for the same $769 price?
Thats not to say I dont think the iPhone X was a bit overpriced and should have been maybe $949, but if you think an iPhone X should have been the same $769 as the 5.5" LCD Plus with at least $50-70 more in build material cost; well that's not reality.
The margin of cost to build vs price is LOWER on the iPhone X than prior iPhones 6, 7, aand 8; ie. those old $649 small iPhones cost under $200 to make but were $649. The HIGHEST profit margin phones were the 6 and 7, and I didnt hear anyone complaining then about greed.
In Australian dollars but you get the idea of the trend line:
And the XR is a far better spec device than the prior Plus with a bigger display in a smaller form factor. Again, different product. And the XR starts at $749 instead of the Plus $769, so $20 less. To say it's a "poor value" is silly.
If you want a cheap phone the 7 and 8 series are still PLENTY powerful devices to run iOS which doesn't require a ton of resources.
Yes, removing the dongle was stupid and no fast charger, but to compare the iPhone X to prior iPhones and say it should have been the same price is equally ridiculous a statement. New/better hardware costs more, period.
Again, I think the iPads are $50-100 overpriced like the phones; maybe $749 and 899 11/12.9" respectively; $100 increase on both from last year. The fact the 10.5-11 only increased $150 but the 12.9 increase $200 is also odd. But it is hard to say until a build cost is released.
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According to the trend, IPad Pro will have a benchmark higher than MacBook Pro in a few years. I believe that Apple will improve iOS massively and improve iPad Pro productivity greatly in the next 5 years. I think that Apple is trying to increase the price slowly over the next few years and make it on par with MacBook Pro. We are currently on the transition phase.
In the future, iPad will be extremely good for artist who prefer touch based UI. For people who mainly use MS suite for work,or those require mouse for precision, will need MacBook Pro. Both products will target different markets. I am sure iPad Pro will be price very similar to MacBook Pro once iOS can be as productive as MacBook Pro. Mainly for artist when more full AAA apps come to iPad Pro.
Those who wants mouse support and also the pencil will need to buy both products.
Unfortunately people like me will be price out of the market. ;(
In the future, iPad will be extremely good for artist who prefer touch based UI. For people who mainly use MS suite for work,or those require mouse for precision, will need MacBook Pro. Both products will target different markets. I am sure iPad Pro will be price very similar to MacBook Pro once iOS can be as productive as MacBook Pro. Mainly for artist when more full AAA apps come to iPad Pro.
Those who wants mouse support and also the pencil will need to buy both products.
Unfortunately people like me will be price out of the market. ;(
Continuation of my post:Except the best iPhone was never $499, it was $769 base price, so you're talking a $230 price increase from the Plus to X base model to base model.
Phone X also gained an OLED display that the part cost itself doubled from $52.50 on the Plus LCD to $111 for the OLED from build cost estimates out there. Add in steel instead of aluminum, more expensive. Add in the more expensive Face ID hardware than Touch ID; more expensive. And people expected to get this for the same $769 price?
Thats not to say I dont think the iPhone X was a bit overpriced and should have been maybe $949, but if you think an iPhone X should have been the same $769 as the 5.5" LCD Plus with at least $50-70 more in build material cost; well that's not reality.
The margin of cost to build vs price is LOWER on the iPhone X than prior iPhones 6, 7, aand 8; ie. those old $649 small iPhones cost under $200 to make but were $649. The HIGHEST profit margin phones were the 6 and 7, and I didnt hear anyone complaining then about greed.
In Australian dollars but you get the idea of the trend line:
And the XR is a far better spec device than the prior Plus with a bigger display in a smaller form factor. Again, different product. And the XR starts at $749 instead of the Plus $769, so $20 less. To say it's a "poor value" is silly.
If you want a cheap phone the 7 and 8 series are still PLENTY powerful devices to run iOS which doesn't require a ton of resources.
Yes, removing the dongle was stupid and no fast charger, but to compare the iPhone X to prior iPhones and say it should have been the same price is equally ridiculous a statement. New/better hardware costs more, period.
Again, I think the iPads are $50-100 overpriced like the phones; maybe $749 and 899 11/12.9" respectively; $100 increase on both from last year. The fact the 10.5-11 only increased $150 but the 12.9 increase $200 is also odd. But it is hard to say until a build cost is released.
And your company gets away with selling Phone X for twice the money thanks to a loyal fanbase that always finds excuses for you.
Unless you wait on sales, buy refurbished or older models.
I just did two of those bought 10.5 on sale.
Is counting a handicap now? How is $999 double $699 or $769?
Keep making stuff up though when the facts prove you wrong. This is not defending Apple this is defending facts.
They are more expensive devices but also have more expensive parts and profit margins are lower than previous generations (iphone 6 and 7 specifically) that no one had a problem with saying those were overpriced phones.
The numbers don't lie, only agendas lie.
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The 10.5 has been out for 18 months and never had steep sales, just now they’re dropping in price.