These tests may have been done in Windows. There's a problem with Windows scheduling (at least in 10 and below, I don't know about 11) and high high core CPUs. I can't remember where the problems start, but it's high. There are workarounds but Geekbench scores in particular seems to take a hit because of it. I think someone mentioned in the thread above, the scores are higher and more reasonable in Linux.
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A test doesn't have to be limited by the CPU in order for it to not saturate the GPU - especially for compute workloads. I'll admit I'm less familiar with graphics workloads but I understand that it's similar. The issue is that not enough meaningful work is being sent to the GPU. This is especially a problem on older benches that were designed for less powerful graphics cards: you eventually get a topping out as not enough of the GPU's resources can be brought to bear before the problem is over or the frame is outputted. You can even see this in the relatively recent GB5 compute test: scores both for the M1 Max (apparently doesn't spin its clocks fast enough before the subtests are over) and in the higher Nvidia GPUs (spins its clocks up fast, but simply too many cores that subtests don't saturate with work) don't scale properly. I've done this myself on my own work where the beefier GPU on the identical CPU doesn't look as good as is promised until the problem set gets bigger.
Looking at the scores (including but not limited to for Manhattan 1440p offscreen and Aztec High), the M1 Pro can be 2.1x faster than the M1, where it should be only 2x. I've noticed that there don't appear to be different categories for different GPU core counts of the different M1s (7 vs 8, 14 vs 16, 24 vs 32, 48 vs 64). So hmmm ... that makes things extra interesting potentially ... especially since these are also user submitted (i.e. averages and especially top scores can be increased from overclocked components) and there are a few odd ones if you try to get into the details (like an M1 - plain M1 - that scores better than any GPU ever). Hopefully the Anandtech review will be out soon.
Still if this is the 64-core variant, then, yes, the scaling is not so good on Aztec High where it had been excellent before and it would be ... nice to know where it is more powerful
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these are CPU benchmarks. The GPU cores are not used.
Edit sorry I misunderstood you. are you talking about the AMD chip?
But GFXBench appears to scale well on other powerful cards, like the 6900XT.
Maybe the Metal M1 Ultra driver doesn't send tasks to all cores when it determines that power can be saved?
If I understand it correctly, the issue is that Windows kernel does not scale beyond 64 threads (32 cores with SMT). If you want to use more CPU cores in the same process you have to use specialised APIs or something like that. Geekbench probably does not do that.
The way I remember the explanation given by more knowledgeable people, it is about power management. The task is too short to trigger the high-performance GPU mode. The power management of dGPUs is probably different, they don't have to care about energy conservation as much.
The updates to the Windows scheduler was to work with the new Intel P and E core chips.
Other (x86) CPUs shouldn’t be affected by the changes.
newegg is 8K
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz Desktop Processor - Newegg.com
Buy Used - Like New: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X - Ryzen Threadripper 3rd Gen Castle Peak (Zen 2) 64-Core 2.9 GHz Socket sTRX4 280W Desktop Processor - 100-100000163WOF with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
and amazon has all vendors but one at 8k. That one vendor is 4K. I dunno, they were all 8K when I posted.
Looks like those are scalped end of line prices as that certainly isn’t typical retail pricing.newegg is 8K
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz Desktop Processor - Newegg.com
Buy Used - Like New: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X - Ryzen Threadripper 3rd Gen Castle Peak (Zen 2) 64-Core 2.9 GHz Socket sTRX4 280W Desktop Processor - 100-100000163WOF with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!www.newegg.com
and amazon has all vendors but one at 8k. That one vendor is 4K. I dunno, they were all 8K when I posted.
In the UK I believe 3990X retail pricing was at £3900 ish
Is it reasonable to compare pricing of a single computer part (PC) to an entire computer (Mac)?
It would make more sense to compare a complete system price (disreagrd KVM).
With reasonably equivalent gfx card, ssd, ram and thunderbolt ports you will be talking £8k imho even with a 3080 Ti
Going from a 32 core 3975WX to a 64 core 3995WX costs an extra £2,000.
The Mac Studio looks cheap to me.
It would make more sense to compare a complete system price (disreagrd KVM).
With reasonably equivalent gfx card, ssd, ram and thunderbolt ports you will be talking £8k imho even with a 3080 Ti
Going from a 32 core 3975WX to a 64 core 3995WX costs an extra £2,000.
The Mac Studio looks cheap to me.
I had to go and look the phrase up.
Two countries separated by a common language and all that…
Flappy head and beady eyes, tea and crumpets, kangaroos, or kiwi?
I don't think GFXBench subtests are too short. These tests run for about 1 min or more.
Because Geekbench is garbage compared to real workloads.
Throw a properly multithreaded workload at both and the 64-core is closer to 2x scaling.
https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/blender
https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/stockfish
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You probably mean, because Windows does nor properly support CPUs with excessive number of cores.
newegg is 8K
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz Desktop Processor - Newegg.com
Buy Used - Like New: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X - Ryzen Threadripper 3rd Gen Castle Peak (Zen 2) 64-Core 2.9 GHz Socket sTRX4 280W Desktop Processor - 100-100000163WOF with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
That's not Newegg which was $3950 when it was in stock. What you linked is 3rd party scalper.
the official AMD price for 3995WX is $5,489 .
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-pro-retail-pricing-6000-64-cores-3000-32-cores
street prices for loose retail is somewhat like the aftermarket GPU market; way off MSRP. Should get better for 3000 series as the 5000 series rolls out ( demand for 3000 should drop significantly )
Geekbench on 3995WX where filter out Windows :
46,993 on MT . So not even close .
ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3995WX s processor.
browser.geekbench.com
As for 5995WX ( no geekbench scores but some passmark scores can compare )
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5995WX Benchmark
www.cpubenchmark.net
There should be a Lenovo 600 series with it in a few weeks . AMD is only selling these to OEMs and the vendors can lock the CPU to their firmware . But CPU package prices probably not changing too much more. from 3000 series . Some uplift though. Package Max RAM capacity is way up : 2TB .
AMD announces Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 series, available now with Lenovo ThinkStation P620 - VideoCardz.com
New AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series Processors are the Ultimate Workstation Processors for Professionals with Up-to Double the Performance of Competing Solutions SANTA CLARA, Calif., March 08, 2022 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Today, AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) announced the new AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™...
so yeah a $10k workstation but can provision on order lager capacity in some of these too.
Not really.
If you have the correct workflow for Apple Silicone, and the real world figures are representative. The mac studio is extremely cheap for the performance.
However, it’s equally misleading to inflate the price of competition in a comparison. Particularly when you don’t even need to do so to make the point.
Iirc I saw an article that the upcoming threadripper pro or whatever they call them are going to be OEM only and won’t be available to buy for consumers.the official AMD price for 3995WX is $5,489 .
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-pro-retail-pricing-6000-64-cores-3000-32-cores
street prices for loose retail is somewhat like the aftermarket GPU market; way off MSRP. Should get better for 3000 series as the 5000 series rolls out ( demand for 3000 should drop significantly )
Geekbench on 3995WX where filter out Windows :
46,993 on MT . So not even close .
ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3995WX s processor.browser.geekbench.com
As for 5995WX ( no geekbench scores but some passmark scores can compare )
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5995WX Benchmark
www.cpubenchmark.net
There should be a Lenovo 600 series with it in a few weeks . AMD is only selling these to OEMs and the vendors can lock the CPU to their firmware . But CPU package prices probably not changing too much more. from 3000 series . Some uplift though. Package Max RAM capacity is way up : 2TB .
AMD announces Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 series, available now with Lenovo ThinkStation P620 - VideoCardz.com
New AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series Processors are the Ultimate Workstation Processors for Professionals with Up-to Double the Performance of Competing Solutions SANTA CLARA, Calif., March 08, 2022 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Today, AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) announced the new AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™...videocardz.com
so yeah a $10k workstation but can provision on order lager capacity in some of these too.
You’re only going to get them through buying a whole workstation machine.
AMD like they did last time they had the advantage over Intel, and like Intel did recently for years. They’re resting on their success and taking advantage of it. Instead of pushing on with what got them ahead.
I'm simply referring to the fact that I know the problems with high core count CPUs and GB were there in Windows 10 and below. I was not aware of it being fixed nor of it not being fixed in Windows 11 separate from the P/E scheduling.
Four thousand dollars happens to be the price of the M1 Ultra Mac Studio itself, including its graphics capabilities. All in. That 3990X has to have water cooling or a mongo heatsink and fan ($150-200), go into a motherboard ($800), be equipped with 64GB RAM ($300), you gotta buy a case ($100), power supply (a beefy one — $150), and storage ($100), and then you have to buy a graphics card ($1000) — assuming you can find one. Mac Studio is a screaming bargain.
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