A disappointed year for Apple fans

[Bending Pixels]

I'm not disappointed in Apple. I'm more disappointed in the constant whining and sniveling by some on the MacRumor forums

 

[maflynn]

• MBP with a "just so so" touch bar, lower battery life, "maybe worse" keyboard.
• No iMacs.
• Earpod, delay(again).
• Minor upgraded iPhone.
• Too many Emoji upgrades on iOS

Apple seems fixated on on emojis and to be honest I think it degrades the product and presentation. I also think they've been resting on their laurels so long that now they're struggling to catch up.

As for the iMac, I can understand why they delayed it, the 27" iMac is already on skylake and there's really not much ore they could do to improve it (other then USB-C, TB and maybe a GPU). So why not wait for Kaby lake and roll out a proper refresh.

 

[pat500000]

Looking at macOS 10.12.2 with a removal of battery indicator is definitely a losing sign.

 

[droplink]

You can troll on other websites. Nobody wants to read your accusations. Period.

What accusations ?
The OP is not trolling, he is just stating he is disappointed with the Apple releases this year.
And I happen to agree. What Apple is doing is nothing short of terrible.

 

[oheb]

Does anybody think they will update the tbMBP next year to address all of the concerns?

 

[ndolebay]

Sorry guys, I really didn't want to troll.

In fact, I have tried to adapt to the small screen of Macbook 2016, but failed, not many monitors I can choose duo to the usb c. The keyboard sucks, and Apple said they really love this design.

Finally I had to buy an iMac 2015 after a long wait.

I wouldn't buy an iPhone 7 if Note 7 not exploded lol.

I bought every iPhone from 2008.

 

[Tech198]

• MBP with a "just so so" touch bar, lower battery life, "maybe worse" keyboard.
• No iMacs.
• Earpod, delay(again).
• Minor upgraded iPhone.
• Too many Emoji upgrades on iOS

All true.. I hope next year is better..... It can't possibly be worse.

Any company will say its the best... They are not gonna say "look at this.we did bad at it"

 

[lowendlinux]

You guys are never going to convince the other that you're correct no matter how many different part of the forum you argue about it. If Apples decisions going forward don't agree with you just plan the escape route there's no need to convince others that aren't going to agree.

 

[an-other]

Stockholder Equity increased year over year 6.9% (year end 09/30/2016)

 

[ardchoille50]

If you viewed each day as a gift instead of walking through life with an attitude of entitlement or expectation, you'd have fewer disappointments. If we want to change the world, we must begin with the person in the mirror. Just saying.

 

[Rogifan]

Was 2015 much better? Or even 2014 , with jobs gone, profit has become the number one priority, and if you look at the financials , apple is doing great actually

There were many years under Jobs where the same thing could be said. Not every year under his reign was 2007.

 

[MH01]

There were many years under Jobs where the same thing could be said. Not every year under his reign was 2007.

In my opinion under jobs there was a vision and momentum. Do you think Cook will have a 2007? What standout year does cook have?the products I see are evolutions of Cooks era. Even while moving all resources to idevices and suffocating mac, they still could only deliver an iPhone 6SSS, sorry that is poor, an iPad Air 3, a larger iPad....with all those resources ?

 

[maflynn]

In my opinion under jobs there was a vision

I think this nugget of truth that can have profound implications. I've posted a link a number of times where an investor asked Cook about Apple's strategy as a company (it was during one of those quarterly investor call ins). Cook's response was that Apple has great products in the pipeline.

I think it would go a long way if Cook would say Apple's mission and focus is XYZ (whatever XYZ is). I understand they cannot spill the beans on new products but Cook can provide a grand strategy.

 

[MH01]

I think this nugget of truth that can have profound implications. I've posted a link a number of times where an investor asked Cook about Apple's strategy as a company (it was during one of those quarterly investor call ins). Cook's response was that Apple has great products in the pipeline.

I think it would go a long way if Cook would say Apple's mission and focus is XYZ (whatever XYZ is). I understand they cannot spill the beans on new products but Cook can provide a grand strategy.

I can relate to this in my current company, very successful company , and we have loads of money thrown at us, but product management has no clear vision , our boss is talking up what is coming in the future, while we implement bits and bobs , a clear vision is critical .

Cook cannot even articulate where apple is heading, and that is sad, I listen to Jobs old speeches and you can see the passion he has , and even while unrealistic at time he had a vision , money was a side effect, the best product managers that exist are the ones that know exactly what they want and are prepared to take risks and push to achieve thier vision, not decide by committees

 

[aevan]

Cook cannot even articulate where apple is heading, and that is sad, I listen to Jobs old speeches and you can see the passion he has , and even while unrealistic at time he had a vision , money was a side effect, the best product managers that exist are the ones that know exactly what they want and are prepared to take risks and push to achieve thier vision, not decide by committees

Apple has a clear mission statement that hasn't changed from the time of Steve Jobs. Steve was a better marketing guru, but their goals remain the same. Speeches are one thing, design principles are something else.

Tim Cook's Apple is actually making less mistakes (people are too forgiving when they talk about Jobs - how quickly people forgot massive GPU failures, dust under iMac screens for 3 generations, MBPs that were overheating, etc.), making more open, better designed OSs, trying out more things (larger iPhones, Pencil on iPads) and their executives are more open today (more interviews, more appearances, if you think Jobs would let Craig give Marques an interview, or have him and Schiller and Eddie be guests in Gruber's Talk Show....) - etc. They are still streamlining their product lines (MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac), they introduced some trully Apple "just works" products that actually seem "magical" (Force Touch trackpads, Apple Pencil, Airpods).

Their vision is very much Apple, but under Cook, Apple is more open to real needs as opposed to the personal tastes of one man. You think new MBPs should legacy ports? Jobs would probably just get rid of all the ports saying that Wifi is great and told you that you're using your computers wrong.

Apple is in good hands.

 

[MH01]

Apple has a clear mission statement that hasn't changed from the time of Steve Jobs. Steve was a better marketing guru, but their goals remain the same. Speeches are one thing, design principles are something else.

Tim Cook's Apple is actually making less mistakes (people are too forgiving when they talk about Jobs - how quickly people forgot massive GPU failures, dust under iMac screens for 3 generations, MBPs that were overheating, etc.), making more open, better designed OSs, trying out more things (larger iPhones, Pencil on iPads) and their executives are more open today (more interviews, more appearances, if you think Jobs would let Craig give Marques an interview, or have him and Schiller and Eddie be guests in Gruber's Talk Show....) - etc. They are still streamlining their product lines (MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac), they introduced some trully Apple "just works" products that actually seem "magical" (Force Touch trackpads, Apple Pencil, Airpods).

Their vision is very much Apple, but under Cook, Apple is more open to real needs as opposed to the personal tastes of one man. You think new MBPs should legacy ports? Jobs would probably just get rid of all the ports saying that Wifi is great and told you that you're using your computers wrong.

Apple is in good hands.

There is nothing magical about a stylus and BT headphone , these are jsut existing products with a finer touch of apple design added to them.

So you are happy to blame GPU failures on jobs, and yet be fine with current iMacs that cook themselves and throttle due to thinness? The major step backwards that the mini is? The Mac Pro that is a failure ....

The iPad Pro which is an iPad Air 3 and iPad Air 3 XL? Though just built on jobs legacy products ?

Anyway this is not constructive.

So what is apples clear mission statement ? The clear strategy? I don't actually know it so please feel free to explain it to me

 

[aevan]

There is nothing magical about a stylus and BT headphone , these are jsut existing products with a finer touch of apple design added to them.

And iPhone is just a touchscreen phone. You're either deliberately ignoring all the tech that's inside and design decisions and W1 chip, or you simply follow a preconceived notion that Apple just sucks now.

So what is apples clear mission statement ? The clear strategy? I don't actually know it so please feel free to explain it to me

Most important strategy, one left from Jobs is - do not ask the people what they want, make the things you believe are best instead.

Literally, that's Apple. It was under Jobs, it's under Cook.

Make a few good things.
Simplicity vs complexity.
Future vs legacy.
Courage.
Do what you believe is right, even at the cost of criticism.


But, you obviously don't agree, you've been bashing everything Apple is today in every post you made, Apple could literally cure cancer tomorrow, you'd say it sucks so, no point in arguing. I'll let you have the last word - so, go ahead....

 

[MH01]

And iPhone is just a touchscreen phone. You're either deliberately ignoring all the tech that's inside and design decisions and W1 chip, or you just follow a preconceived notion that Apple just sucks now.



Most important strategy, one left from Jobs is - do not ask the people what they want, make the things you believe are best instead.

Literally, that's Apple. It was under Jobs, it's under Cook.

Make a few good things.
Simplicity vs complexity.
Future vs legacy.
Courage.
Do what you believe is right, even at the cost of criticism.


But, you obviously don't agree, you've been bashing everything Apple is today in every post you made, Apple could literally cure cancer tomorrow, you'd say it sucks so, no point in arguing. I'll let you have the last word - so, go ahead....

I'm a big fan of the AirPods but it's not about the chip inside.....that was never apple, once you start talking about the tech implementation you miss what apple is about . It's be ease of use and useabilty ,the simplicity.... people who keep bringing up W1 or S1 miss the point of what apple has always been about in my opinion.

How about you check my posts , not impressed with the new MacBook Pro, so bought a 2015, but a big fan of the AirPods . So how about checking my posting history and get back to me. You want me to be waving Pom poms being a Mac Pro user ....think it through...

Sometimes you get more respect on here when you are objective instead of just a cheerleader. My favourite posters on MR are those that see apple today as pros/cons.
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I'm a big fan of the AirPods but it's not about the chip inside.....that was never apple, once you start talking about the tech implementation you miss what apple is about . It's be ease of use and useabilty ,the simplicity.... people who keep bringing up W1 or S1 miss the point of what apple has always been about in my opinion.

How about you check my posts , not impressed with the new MacBook Pro, so bought a 2015, but a big fan of the AirPods . So how about checking my posting history and get back to me. You want me to be waving Pom poms being a Mac Pro user ....think it through...

Sometimes you get more respect on here when you are objective instead of just a cheerleader. My favourite posters on MR are those that see apple today as pros/cons.

You don't have to engage with me in debates if you see it as negative. I never use or will use ignore, that is just childish in my opinion , especially people on here who have filled the limit.

 

[aevan]

You don't have to engage with me in debates if you see it as negative. I never use or will use ignore, that is just childish in my opinion , especially people on here who have filled the limit.
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I didn't say I will use ignore or avoid you, just that I won't debate you about this specific issue any longer, I've said my mind.

I didn't even know there was an ignore option What does that do? Stops notifications when that person responds?

 

[MH01]

I didn't say I will use ignore or avoid you, just that I won't debate you about this specific issue any longer, I've said my mind.

I didn't even know there was an ignore option What does that do? Stops notifications when that person responds?

Look, I'm a big fan of jobs, so i admit I have been critical or the newer products, call me old and grumpy lol

But I give credit where it's due, though always objective.

Here is my view on AirPods .

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gh-resale-prices.2023118/page-7#post-24101792

Ignore, no idea, refuse to use it .

 

[maflynn]

Apple has a clear mission statement that hasn't changed from the time of Steve Jobs. Steve was a better marketing guru, but their goals remain the same. Speeches are one thing, design principles are something else.

But when an investor Steven Milunovich of UBS Securities posed a question, he didn't get a response. While Cook may not be a gifted salesman like Jobs, he's good at articulating and communicating (he has too as CEO) and he didn't answer the question. Why is he reluctant to provide his owners what strategy apple employs, or does apple even have one which is my conjecture

Link

A pointed question that UBS’ Steve Milunovich put to CEO Tim Cook on Apple’s earnings conference call isn’t likely to make anyone confident Apple is on the path to creating game-changing products. As Business Insider’s Kif Leswing flagged on Tuesday, Milunovich asked Cook about whether the company had a “grand strategy” that goes beyond just selling more iPhones. The answer from Cook was, more or less, “No.”

 

[aevan]

But when an investor Steven Milunovich of UBS Securities posed a question, he didn't get a response. While Cook may not be a gifted salesman like Jobs, he's good at articulating and communicating (he has too as CEO) and he didn't answer the question.

"The answer from Cook was, more or less, “No.”"

Link

And your post was, more or less, "I agree with everything Aevan said".

I mean, since we're interpreting what people said randomy, it might as well go both ways.

Answer from Cook wasn't "No".

This is nothing new, every week there is an "Apple is doomed" article with arbitrary conclusions such as this one.

As for Cook not answering the question, you really think Jobs would reveal any future products to investors? Because that would be the only concrete answer to such a question - everything else is just "trust us, we know what we're doing". Which is exactly what Jobs would say.

 

[Foggydog]

• MBP with a "just so so" touch bar, lower battery life, "maybe worse" keyboard.
• No iMacs.
• Earpod, delay(again).
• Minor upgraded iPhone.
• Too many Emoji upgrades on iOS

I'm not disappointed, nor is my family. We are all rocking our iPads.

 

[maflynn]

Answer from Cook wasn't "No".

No, he didn't say outright, but he gave his canned response he has for the past 4+ years about how there's so much great products in the pipeline. That phrase is wearing thin, tbh, and for the most part that's all we seem to be getting from apple - thinness. They are certainly fixated by thinness.

The point I was making was that with Jobs, Apple had a vision, and while they were just as secretive under Jobs as with Cook there was a sense of direction. With Cook he gives a lot of attention to social issues but is extremely tight lipped when it comes to where Apple is going as a corporation.

This is nothing new, every week there is an "Apple is doomed" article with arbitrary conclusions such as this one.

I'm not saying Apple is doomed, but I think Apple will benefit from a grand strategy, or if they have one in place, communicate it.

 

[I7guy]

No, he didn't say outright, but he gave his canned response he has for the past 4+ years about how there's so much great products in the pipeline. That phrase is wearing thin, tbh, and for the most part that's all we seem to be getting from apple - thinness. They are certainly fixated by thinness.

The point I was making was that with Jobs, Apple had a vision, and while they were just as secretive under Jobs as with Cook there was a sense of direction. With Cook he gives a lot of attention to social issues but is extremely tight lipped when it comes to where Apple is going as a corporation.


I'm not saying Apple is doomed, but I think Apple will benefit from a grand strategy, or if they have one in place, communicate it.

If one can read between the lines, they are and have been integrating technology in the fabric of our digital lives as opposed throwing refrigerators with wifi chips at its customers. One of the things in very interested is the telemedicine implications of some of the things they are doing. Why can't cook just say that? Hiring a hipaa expert, health app, Apple Watch with additional health sensors and medical type apps..all of these have great potential but takes years to realize.