A Non-Troll Report on the Irrelevance of ML

[doug in albq]

"Mountain Lion" is to "Lion" what "Snow Leopard" is to "Leopard"

and not much more. I hated Lion and I love ML.

Seems like BR Lawyer is looking for a bag of new features with ML. BR Lawyer, please re-read the first line in this post.



EDIT: for all interested, ML is FASTER than SL, and is much faster than LION.

 

[xav8tor]

Nvidia GTX 5/600 support alone (regardless of no boot screen) is worth more than 20 bucks to a lot of Mac Pro users. However, the iOS fluff and general dumbing down of the OS for the masses, especially things like Finder, crazy defaults and hidden options used often, are not welcome. It will probably get worse unless Apple follows MS and releases a "Pro" version of OS X with the promised Mac Pro update next year. I for one am starting to miss PC flexibility/Windows and have had more crashes with OS X than in Win 7 since making the switch.

Ref post below, I had the same initial reaction. ANY improvement in accessibility for those less fortunate should be highly praised. Such features have immeasurably improved the quality of life for hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

 

[M87]

Accessibility is HUGELY important to those who need it. I stopped reading after that. Go use Windows 8 if you don't like OS X anymore, but all you'll find there is an even more blatant gimmick.

 

[Senseotech]

Accessibility is HUGELY important to those who need it. I stopped reading after that. Go use Windows 8 if you don't like OS X anymore, but all you'll find there is an even more blatant gimmick.

You hit the nail on the head. The OP doesn't appreciate the features, so that MUST mean ML is irrelevant for everyone. And an FYI: putting "Non-Troll" in your topic just drives the point home that your singular goal here is to troll and dredge up drama.

 

[BSben]

Ummm. What kind of rating system is that?

It left me puzzled too, maybe the next OS will have an app to decipher....???

 

[RainCityMacFan]

And ANOTHER reason to be underwhelmed with ML: PowerNap ONLY works with Apple-branded SSDs. So Point 23's rating must be down from 3/2 to 3/1...

I was really looking forward to this feature... Shame that I didn't know that it only works with Apple SSDs.

For a $20 release, I can swallow the fact that ML isn't revolutionary. However, I do look forward to future revisions being a game changer in the industry. Most likely the jump from 10.8/10.9 to 2.0.

But Microsoft did take a risk with the metro interface on Windows 8 and for that I admire them. Let's see if Apple will do the same.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Going to one year upgrades we are not going to see substantial changes in such a short time span. Likely every other year or some such.

1 - Accessibility - irrelevant for me and most persons out there, including those with special needs - other than 14 additional Braille keyboards and some additional VoiceOver commands, not much to report - rating: 0/2

Irrelevant to you, unless you get in an accident and find out you have to rely on it every day.

I meet a blind woman at a Mac users meeting who was totally blind. She was using an iPhone 3G using all gestures. In fact with text to speech turned on at a much faster words per minute, she was using her iPhone faster then I could.

Your post rating: 0/0

 

[nuckinfutz]

Apple lays foundation and then they build features upon that foundation. Mountain Lion is clean up and polish to features that largely already existed.

Give it time. Be patient Padawan.

 

[scarred]

And ANOTHER reason to be underwhelmed with ML: PowerNap ONLY works with Apple-branded SSDs. So Point 23's rating must be down from 3/2 to 3/1...

Source?

ffs. you say you aren't trolling, yet fail to do the basics to show that you aren't.

 

[heisenberg123]

I was really looking forward to this feature... Shame that I didn't know that it only works with Apple SSDs.

For a $20 release, I can swallow the fact that ML isn't revolutionary. However, I do look forward to future revisions being a game changer in the industry. Most likely the jump from 10.8/10.9 to 2.0.

But Microsoft did take a risk with the metro interface on Windows 8 and for that I admire them. Let's see if Apple will do the same.

they just made it look like their mobile devices not really a risk

 

[eagandale4114]

Source?

ffs. you say you aren't trolling, yet fail to do the basics to show that you aren't.

I dont agree with the OP at all but Powernap only works with the MBA gen 2 and newer and the rMBP.

 

[nuckinfutz]

For the MBA 2nd Gen means 2010 and on unibody construction.

 

[sexiewasd]

Ok so, keep in mind that i'm a new convert from this year to mac's and OS X, aside from in school back in the original iMac days, and ohh gawd I remember a mac classic way back when I was using an IBM Personal system II at home, and long before I actually knew how to use them, but overall OS X is new to me, and I've not tried Mountain Lion yet.

On the opinion that Mountain Lion is a boring release.
Mountain Lion isn't being called this, but really it seams like a paper cut release. It fixes a bunch of small annoyances and improves performance. It's like Windows 7 was to Vista. When you have a short release schedule then you need to take a break from adding new features and just fix things up a bit, add some polish so that everything is in a good state to move on with. Papercut releases tend to be some of the best releases in the Linux world. Everything stabilizes for a bit before being shaken up again by new features.

On the integration of iOS features
Coming from the world of Ubuntu and Windows... Things work together? How is this not magic? People complain about this as being cheap to just tack on iOS fluff. Can you not see that this is Mountain Lion's innovation? This is what Windows 8 is all about. It's the vision that both Microsoft and Apple are chasing. In my opinion Mountain Lion fails in this regard only because it's not pushing this aspect fast enough, and because iOS it's self is ready for some new innovation, but iOS 6 also got the paper cut treatment this time around.

On AirPlay
AirPlay is being held back by the Apple TV. It needs to work from iDevice to iDevice to Mac and Mac to Mac and back. It should be AirDisplay on crack, but it slacks. <- sorry, I may have had a little rhyming moment.

On finder
OMFG can it even be called a file browser when it's so very basic? I understand Apple's want to keep it simple, but when you do real work, real work with files and things it just plain out sucks to use. It makes me miss nautilus so very much, which happens to be an absolute pleasure to use for maintaining a local LAMP server with. I have not considered running a MAMP server yet, and I don't think that I will anytime soon. I'm just so thankful that FileZilla works on Lion. I've heard that forklift rocks too, I've bought it, but haven't used it yet. I think my biggest gripes are the lack of right-click new file, and having to right click it's dock icon and open a new window from in that menu. Small complaints, but they waste so much time.

On the OP's rating system
I haven't seen that one before. When I read your post the first time I thought you were giving them all zero's.

On autosave
This works, what's not to like about it? I honestly don't see needing Save As when duplicate works fine, and possibly even dandy as well.

On Apple killing off finder/filesystem
Well this could be really nice, or really really terrible, depending on how it's done, if it's ever done. It would be nice to have OS X's filesystem stay the heck out of the way. I don't want or have any need to ever see it. I would like to see my little app icon's in launchpad, and have my dock moved there permanently too. I would like to never see third party apps cluttering up my toolbar, similar to iOS, and when I have a need to digg into an apps files it should be a right click option on the app's icon to take me to it's nicely sandboxed directory. The rest of the file system (Home directory, external drives, independent partitions, remote servers, ect...) should be mine to use and abuse however I see fit. If I want I should be able to drag one of my app's icons onto a USB drive, and BAM! (with a painfully slow USB transfer rate) it's there, with it's whole sandbox directory ready to be run on any Mac, from the drive, or installed into launchpad. I mean we do have Apple id's for a reason, so why not use that to enable app portability?

I think that's enough typing for now.

 

[Jovian9]

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1 - Accessibility - irrelevant for me and most persons out there, including those with special needs - other than 14 additional Braille keyboards and some additional VoiceOver commands, not much to report - rating: 0/2

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Stopped reading after this. Irrelevance to you does in no way shape or form equal irrelevance of Mountain Lion to the rest of the world. This first point, the very first point, clearly demonstrates what your attempt is here.

A change in the thread title would be appropriate to ensure that MacRumors readers realize this thread is about the 'Irrelevance of ML to BRLawyer' before proceeding to waste time reading it.

 

[a3vr]

I've had an iPhone since the 3G came out and have a iPad 3. Based on these experiences I recently purchased a macbook. I do enjoy the macbook but I completely agree with the original poster, the innovation is gone. You look at windows 8 and you see out of the box thinking left and right with metro. As a long time windows user (and still am with my desktop) I feel like OSX is several years behind. Yes there are lots of integration features which are very nice, there are plenty of apps that allow customization, but OSX feels old and outdated compared to Windows 7 and especially Windows 8. I haven't used the previous OSX versions, but it doesn't appear that the user experience has changed. Lion and ML look remarkably similar to Cheetah. They can only ride this wave so long before they become a victim of their own success.

 

[scarred]

I dont agree with the OP at all but Powernap only works with the MBA gen 2 and newer and the rMBP.
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This I know, but the op stated that if you get an after market SSD it will not work. My MBA has a drive from owc. I don't understand why power nap won't work. Nor do I believe it really.

 

[eagandale4114]

This I know, but the op stated that if you get an after market SSD it will not work. My MBA has a drive from owc. I don't understand why power nap won't work. Nor do I believe it really.

Oh. I guess I misunderstood the question.

 

[talmy]

On finder
I think my biggest gripes are the lack of right-click new file, and having to right click it's dock icon and open a new window from in that menu.

Have a look at the "Stationery pad" feature for creating new files. I do admit that Windows handles "New" quite elegantly and extensibly. You can use command-N to open a new window; no need to right click on the dock icon.

On Apple killing off finder/filesystem
and when I have a need to digg into an apps files it should be a right click option on the app's icon to take me to it's nicely sandboxed directory.

Until you deal with multiple large projects where you want the files organized by project and not by application. The the sandboxed directory fails miserably.

 

[xVeinx]

In all honesty, the only thing the OP has said is that the new version of OS X doesn't have features that wow him. He can't tell you what features he wants, what's innovative, only that (at best) he'd know it when he saw it.

Three points:

1. New features like file systems and other major changes takes YEARS to develop and validate. BTRFS, even though funded and supported by Oracle, has a taken a long time to come about. There are likely things in the pipeline, they just haven't matured sufficiently yet.

2. Operating systems have become increasingly complex over the years. There is a great deal of functionality in OS X now, and what we are seeing is Apple increasing the modularity of the operating system so that individual components can be improved more efficiently. Low level changes and optimizations, though needed, will never be fully appreciated (until they're gone, see Snow Leopard), but are also in Mountain Lion.

3. The biggest features that wow people most often come with leaps in technology and hardware. Apple is working on pushing these boundaries, but they have to be able to manufacture this new hardware. Adding GUIs, filesystems, etc. was done when there was newer hardware that allowed and necessitated it. iOS devices are a new platform where we can see some of those types of wow features, and are (in Apple's mind I believe) an extension of OS X. It's not about turning OS X into iOS, it's about extending OS X via iOS.

 

[iLog.Genius]

I don't think we'll see anything mind blowing until OS 11 or whatever they call it.

 

[sexiewasd]

Until you deal with multiple large projects where you want the files organized by project and not by application. The the sandboxed directory fails miserably.

I meant for the app's operating files, what it needs to run. I did not mean user created files. There is no need to have a program's files scattered about making a mess of things, and it really irks me when a program (looking at you iTunes) decides to create it's own file structure in MY home directory.

Take for example Pages, or Numbers, or Coda or "Insert any file editing program here". If your working on say a website your going to have multiple different programs to edit your files. One for PHP, maybe a different editor for JavaScript, and most certainly a different program for images. Maybe they choose to keep track of your files in the app's sandbox'ed directory to keep track of revisions, for example GIMP would store it's XCF files in it's sandbox with autosave (if it were a native app), but then you hit that export button (why have Duplicate, or Save As?) and save the copy to your project that you are keeping elsewhere. iOS has sandboxing, but it also completely lacks user storage space and expandable storage. I don't think that is something we will ever see on OS X.

 

[50548]

Accessibility is HUGELY important to those who need it. I stopped reading after that. Go use Windows 8 if you don't like OS X anymore, but all you'll find there is an even more blatant gimmick.

I love it when people UNABLE or UNWILLING to read the whole message get all sentimental about a specific statement.

If you had taken a second to understand what I meant, you would see that I have included even "those with special needs" in my comment, JUST to mean that the ML accessibility additions were marginal (a number of additional Braille keyboards and little else), to say the least; and NOT to mean that accessibility as such is useless - I would NEVER make such a crazy absolute statement.

So before making idiotic comments, try to read the whole message and understand its context...whether you have special needs or not.

 

[steve-p]

This I know, but the op stated that if you get an after market SSD it will not work. My MBA has a drive from owc. I don't understand why power nap won't work. Nor do I believe it really.

I suspect it's true that it won't officially work, even though it should. In the same way that TRIM should work, and can be hacked to work, but isn't officially supported. Apple may say they change the firmware on their own SSDs to support TRIM and Power Nap etc to make it work 100% reliably. I'm sure most of us suspect that all they actually do is change the vendor name to "APPLE" so they can check for it and exclude features on 3rd party hardware.

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Unfortunately, these people ignore that probably over 95% of my thousands of posts have always been rabidly pro-Apple.

Yeah, what's going on? Have you had a bump on the head

 

[tekno]

Moreover, I have converted more than 15 people over the last 5 years to Mac - and none of them are ever going back to the sad world of Windows.

The church of Apple is alive and well.

Am I gonna buy it? Probably yes

If you feel so strongly, speak with your wallet and don't give Apple the money. If Apple see strong sales figures, that's confirmation for them that what they're doing is what people want.

 

[Pressure]

I just want to correct a misconception.

Bill Gates never said anything regarding 640KB being enough for everyone.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Now proceed with baseless opinions and arguments, everyone is allowed to have them after all