A NOTCH?!

[usagora]

That's your interpretation. Others may view it as setting the stage.

Remember, this is the member that said a few minutes ago, "[the notch] is ugly and it is ugly for everyone, tech head or not". Don't look for balance from someone who declares what everyone thinks. I have no problem with people expressing dislike for the notch. I get that we all have our own quirks of what we like in design, but some people are taking this to the level of gospel. It's actually quite humorous.

 

[childu]

Even their marketing team hides it in most of the promotional pictures…

 

[Jorbanead]

So you are admitting they are leaving a lot of free space just to add a feature in the future, to avoid the redesign. Double lazy

They’re planning for the future. That’s not lazy that’s called being smart. People would freak out if they had to make the notch bigger. Do you work for the worlds leading industrial design team? Doesn’t seem like it.

 

[Madhatter32]

Yep, and I think many of those on tech sites like this didn't really care about the notch until they started reading all about it and fixating on it.

You should spend more time on this site because people have been complaining about notches for years. Where have you been?

 

[altaic]

The notch right now holds a camera, ambient light sensor, and a microphone.

I saw someone else say there’s a microphone in there as well. Can you point me to a reference?

 

[TiggrToo]

You should spend more time on this site because people have been complaining about notches for years. Where have you been?

Many more of us here have not though.

 

[Madhatter32]

Remember, this is the member that said a few minutes ago, "[the notch] is ugly and it is ugly for everyone, tech head or not". Don't look for balance from someone who declares what everyone thinks. I have no problem with people expressing dislike for the notch. I get that we all have our own quirks of what we like in design, but some people are taking this to the level of gospel. It's actually quite humorous.

From the guy who literally thinks he can speak for the vast majority stating, "the vast majority of which I'm positive either do not give a hoot at all about--or very little hoot about--the "notch". You right though these kinds of comments are humorous.

 

[Madhatter32]

Many more of us here have not though.

How would you know?

 

[usagora]

From the guy who literally thinks he can speak for the vast majority stating, "the vast majority of which I'm positive either do not give a hoot at all about--or very little hoot about--the "notch". You right though these kinds of comments are humorous.

You don't see a difference between "everyone" and "the vast majority"? Come on. When I say "vast majority", I'm allowing for the reality that not everyone agrees with me. I would have no issue if he has said "the vast majority" or "most". I might've disagreed, but at least it would be within the realm of reality.

 

[Madhatter32]

You don't see a difference between "everyone" and "the vast majority"? Come on. When I say "vast majority", I'm allowing for the reality that not everyone agrees with me. I would have no issue if he has said "the vast majority" or "most". I might've disagreed, but at least it would be within the realm of reality.

It's just that in this context both statements amount to the same thing -- they are both baseless. That's the point.

 

[usagora]

You should spend more time on this site because people have been complaining about notches for years. Where have you been?

I'm very well aware (as should be obvious from what I said), and I believe they're the minority of users worldwide. Who's more likely to start a thread about the notch: those who don't care about it or those who have decided to hate it? Obviously the latter, so if that's all you read, then you may erroneously conclude, "Gee, I guess everyone hates the notch" when that is obviously not true.

 

[Madhatter32]

I'm very well aware (as should be obvious from what I said), and I believe they're the minority of users worldwide. Who's more likely to start a thread about the notch: those who don't care about it or those who have decided to hate it? Obviously the latter, so if that's all you read, then you may erroneously conclude, "Gee, I guess everyone hates the notch" when that is obviously not true.

I bet the "vast majority" would prefer the laptop screen to have no obstructions all things being equal.

 

[usagora]

It's just that in this context both statements amount to the same thing -- they are both baseless. That's the point.

They absolutely do not. That's a simple fact. There is no context in which "the vast majority" = 100% And it's not baseless. I know tons of people with iPhones that have a notch, and not once have I heard them say, "Gee, I love everything about this phone except this hideous part at the top." I myself don't even think about it as I'm using the phone throughout the day - it simply doesn't even enter my conscious mind because I choose not to fixate on it and simply use my phone instead.

I used to be into DSLRs and it's the same thing there - pixel peepers on the forums ranting and raving about some spec they don't like on a new camera, yet most pros in the field are just using the cameras for work and not giving much of a crap about all the minutiae that people are having 100 page long conversations about online.

 

[usagora]

I bet the "vast majority" would prefer the laptop screen to have no obstructions all things being equal.

Maybe, but the "prefer" level they'd have is likely not that of the near religious fervor like some express on this forum. Their reaction to it being removed would be more of a "Meh, that's nice, I guess. Doesn't hurt" etc. Not, "OMG YES!!! Finally Apple eradicated that ugly, hideous piece of &#$ing #$*#!" LOL!

 

[Madhatter32]

They absolutely do not. That's a simple fact. There is no context in which "the vast majority" = 100% And it's not baseless. I know tons of people with iPhones that have a notch, and not once have I heard them say, "Gee, I love everything about this phone except this hideous part at the top." I myself don't even think about it as I'm using the phone throughout the day - it simply doesn't even enter my conscious mind because I choose not to fixate on it and simply use my phone instead.

I used to be into DSLRs and it's the same thing there - pixel peepers on the forums ranting and raving about some spec they don't like on a new camera, yet most pros in the field are just using the cameras for work and not giving much of a crap about all the minutiae that people are having 100 page long conversations about online.

You're engaging in a logical fallacy by extrapolating your own personal experiences to be representative of the "vast majority" of users. It's just as bad as saying "everyone" because both comments are, in fact, baseless. I agree, though, that it should not be a deal breaker. That said, it is not a non-issue either. There will be plenty of people who will be staring at that thing (as they will have no other choice but to stare at it) for years on end thinking "boy, that is one ugly notch."

 

[KPOM]

I was surprised by it too but I'm sure there will be an option to completely hide the notch at the expense of screen real estate, either through macOS itself or a third party app.

It's a bit wasteful since there's no Face ID but clearly that is what Apple is prepping for in the next MacBook Pro release.

The screen is taller than the old models so the notch is just reducing the increase in the screen size.

 

[KPOM]

So you are admitting they are leaving a lot of free space just to add a feature in the future, to avoid the redesign. Double lazy

No, those sensors serve a purpose today. I’m not so sure we’ll see Face ID next year since the iPhone cameras are too deep to fit into the top lid of a MacBook Pro.

 

[usagora]

You're engaging in a logical fallacy by extrapolating your own personal experiences to be representative of the "vast majority" of users.

Uh, no, as I said, it's not just I but basically everyone know that owns an iPhone. I don't live in some special community of the world where iPhone users would be much different than anywhere else. So if the majority of people hated the notch, surely I would have heard at least ONE person outside the forums mention it when talking about our phones.

It's just as bad as saying "everyone" because both comments are, in fact, baseless.

Saying "everyone" is immediately false as soon as at least one person says they don't care about the notch. You're going to have to do a whole lot more research than that to prove my statement wrong, especially since "vast" is a subjective term.

I agree, though, that it should not be a deal breaker. That said, it is not a non-issue either. There will be plenty of people who will be staring at that thing (as they will have no other choice but to stare at it) for years on end thinking "boy, that is one ugly notch."

Some will, but I say most will not, because it never bothered them even a little in the first place.

 

[digitalbreak]

My only gripe with the notch is that Apple didn’t put FaceID. Other than that, it doesn’t bother me at all. In fact, it shouldn’t bother that much at all in general as the menu bar is going to be there and does not obstruct your working view. When you go full screen, only then you will app rendered below the notch.

 

[bobcomer]

You won't even see it in full screen apps. Does not even come in the way of applications in full screen.

Your definition of not see and mine are different, but anyway, I'm not in full screen most of the time.

And the usable screen shrinks down when you use a full screen app.

I will be buying 16" Macbook Pro once I make some bucks.

Congrats, I hope you like it.

 

[Kung gu]

And the usable screen shrinks down when you use a full screen app.

its still more screen space than the previous macbooks

 

[Mr Screech]

Imagine the apple-cult members reaction if some intel/amd laptop manufacturer would have put a notch on the screen. The fanboy-ism of apple users can be truly exhausting at times.

Anyway, I hope the black level of the display is adequate enough to hide it, so we can go back to a square window like we've used since day one on laptops and desktops. Instead of a distracting shape sitting right in front of your face.

If it performs well enough, I'll probably get it, I wont use it as a primary display so that's slightly comforting.

 

[mcnallym]

Vocal Apple Users: We don’t like thick bezels or surrounds on our screen.
Apple: ok took that on board, still need the camera so let’s put in a notch and reduce the bezels.
Vocal Apple Users: We don’t like this notch. Can you not make the bezel thicker at the top.

Sums up for me reading this and previous threads.

 

[childu]

The notch is a non-necessary element that invades the screen area;it is there for the lack of sufficient miniaturization Technology.
They have already shrunk it in the iPhone 13, and the rumors are pointing towards a notch-less iPhone in 2 to 3 years. Its destiny is to disappear, A relic of an unpleasant past where they couldn’t fit the camera and the sensor into the bezels.

 

[TiggrToo]

How would you know?

Total user count vs number of users posting against the notch.

The anti notchers may be vocal, but that means nothing to the sheer number of users with accounts, yet alone the lurkers.

Besides, you made the original claim. If proof is so important to you then you prove it. With numbers.