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no mention of an upgrade to design premium. Any one know if this is an oversight or deliberate?

this has me worried.... it's cheaper to get the upgrades to design standard and web premium than to get the design premium....
 
hi all.

i'm a legitimate academic user, and I was wondering if anybody has anything on education pricing for design standard. since the retail price for cs2 premium was 1199, and edu for cs2 premium was ~$400, I'm guessing that cs3 design standard academic will be ~$400? Thoughts on this are most welcome.
 
I agree with Analog Kid, hobbyists are going to suffer. Those who make casual purchases are certainly going to think twice about buying these apps.

I understand a lot of dev has probably gone into these builds, but with so many alternatives, many of which are OpenSource and free (GIMP when it has CYMK, many many WYSIWYG HTML editors), Adobe might burn itself.
This software isnt meant for hobbyist.

Actually the software in hobbyist hands is probably one of the worst things to happen to the software(increased pirating by lay people) and cranked out crappy "design".
 
Who needs Fireworks anymore?... unless you make animated gifs, it's useless. And please don't tell me you are still making table-sliced images for webpage layouts....

Thankfully I don't use ImageReady's more advanced features... or at least aren't dependent on them. But I still do need some sliced images - though not for tables.

See, I will often create my site design in something like Illustrator, and then cut the various pictures from the master AI file using ImageReady. (Illustrator's slicing controls really really bother me - in CS1, at least, which is all I've got.) Sometimes what I do is as simple as cutting the logo out of the design, other times I need to use custom something-or-another and need to cut it out. Sometimes it is a bit more complicated - sometimes I have an element which needs to grow smoothly but has oddly-designed edges or corners. Rounded corners, anyone? What about rounded shadows?

So I do use it, but as I don't require it too dearly, I will decide to go without that instead of sacrificing InDesign...
 
Honest question.

I see a lot of people want to buy the academic version, even if they have to take one single class to be eligible.

Per the EULA, can you actually use the software to get a revenue from a contract?
 
This software isnt meant for hobbyist.

Actually the software in hobbyist hands is probably one of the worst things to happen to the software(increased pirating by lay people) and cranked out crappy "design".

What is your definition of "hobbyist?" Because most likely I agree with you, but some people do stuff like, say, create their own websites, or others, or do some photo touch-up even. They may be quite good designers, but they don't do it for a living. Are these people "hobbyists," because if they are, then there is a group of people who should be able to get the software but can't.

I'm not a hobbyist - at least not in my own definition. I spend tons of time each day working on websites. I've only had a couple of paying web design jobs, however (I'm still in school/College). Does that make me a hobbyist? I write very advanced code, spend many hours programming in PHP + HTML + CSS plus a language of my own invention which compiles to PHP. Is that the actions of a hobbyist?

I'm waiting for the academic pricing, actually. Hopefully that'll be a bit cheaper. (I wish it were like Autodesk's Maya - ~$390 for Unlimited, which costs $7000 otherwise...)
 
What is your definition of "hobbyist?" Because most likely I agree with you, but some people do stuff like, say, create their own websites, or others, or do some photo touch-up even. They may be quite good designers, but they don't do it for a living. Are these people "hobbyists," because if they are, then there is a group of people who should be able to get the software but can't.

I'm not a hobbyist - at least not in my own definition. I spend tons of time each day working on websites. I've only had a couple of paying web design jobs, however (I'm still in school/College). Does that make me a hobbyist? I write very advanced code, spend many hours programming in PHP + HTML + CSS plus a language of my own invention which compiles to PHP. Is that the actions of a hobbyist?

I'm waiting for the academic pricing, actually. Hopefully that'll be a bit cheaper. (I wish it were like Autodesk's Maya - ~$390 for Unlimited, which costs $7000 otherwise...)

you are not a hobbyist.
 
Honest question.

I see a lot of people want to buy the academic version, even if they have to take one single class to be eligible.

Per the EULA, can you actually use the software to get a revenue from a contract?

No, but no one checks on you. If you feel OK doing that, go for it.
 
again, the real question is... what have they done with Dreamweaver and Flash?... besides change the logos?.. are they intel native?....
 
Thankfully I don't use ImageReady's more advanced features... or at least aren't dependent on them. But I still do need some sliced images - though not for tables.

See, I will often create my site design in something like Illustrator, and then cut the various pictures from the master AI file using ImageReady. (Illustrator's slicing controls really really bother me - in CS1, at least, which is all I've got.) Sometimes what I do is as simple as cutting the logo out of the design, other times I need to use custom something-or-another and need to cut it out. Sometimes it is a bit more complicated - sometimes I have an element which needs to grow smoothly but has oddly-designed edges or corners. Rounded corners, anyone? What about rounded shadows?

So I do use it, but as I don't require it too dearly, I will decide to go without that instead of sacrificing InDesign...

With the vector objects in Photoshop now, I've gotten into to habit of just dragging all the elements from illustrator into PS, and making my web graphics from there... don't see the need for imageready or fireworks anymore... (I never switch to imageready within PS unless I need to make an animated gif.)
 
Per the EULA, can you actually use the software to get a revenue from a contract?

No, but no one checks on you. If you feel OK doing that, go for it.

wrong. you can legally use it to make money:

from the edu puchasing FAQ:

Professional/commercial use
Student question
"I'm very interested in buying the Education version of Adobe Creative Suite, but first I want to know if the software can be used to produce work for paying customers once I am working in the industry, or do I have to buy a different version of Creative Suite once I'm working in the industry?”

Answer
Good news! You can use Adobe Education software (any title!) to produce commercial/professional paid-for work when you leave school, or even while you are in school. In this regard, Adobe does not limit how student software is used. So students can use it to learn and to make money!

(Of course, students must agree to the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement — which appears during installation — just as every software customer must do.)
 
Confusing and expensive

Adobe needs to simplify their product line , and do something about the pricing.
Similar to what Apple did with Logic, only two versions now, and all the goodies thrown in, although I still see room for a midrange version with upgrade option to the real deal, to ease the financial pain. This is the way I did it in the Emagic days, I'd never be able to afford the full product in one go, I upgraded to it over 4 years. (We need a path from Express, to Expert, to Pro or something....)


Can't wait what Apple will offer in the Final Cut and Aperture department to counter some of the offerings Adobe has here, hopefully at better prices that mere mortals can afford.

Yes I understand that lots of these products are geared towards Pro's, but there is no inbetween so it seems, the products usually offered, are too simple, and if you want more, you end up spending $700,- plus.

Where are the midrange packages for $499,- ish?
In most product lines, 3 stages works best I believe.
 
No one checks on you but it's still illegal. You might as well download it off the internet

True, but Adobe's spin has always been that it is better to get people to buy at least the edu version, because otherwise they' likely bootleg it somehow.

and all those edu user buy upgrades later on.
 
wrong. you can legally use it to make money:

from the edu puchasing FAQ:

Professional/commercial use
Student question
"I'm very interested in buying the Education version of Adobe Creative Suite, but first I want to know if the software can be used to produce work for paying customers once I am working in the industry, or do I have to buy a different version of Creative Suite once I'm working in the industry?”

Answer
Good news! You can use Adobe Education software (any title!) to produce commercial/professional paid-for work when you leave school, or even while you are in school. In this regard, Adobe does not limit how student software is used. So students can use it to learn and to make money!

(Of course, students must agree to the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement — which appears during installation — just as every software customer must do.)

Wow! Less restrictive than Autodesk's Maya! That's certainly good news...

With the vector objects in Photoshop now, I've gotten into to habit of just dragging all the elements from illustrator into PS, and making my web graphics from there... don't see the need for imageready or fireworks anymore... (I never switch to imageready within PS unless I need to make an animated gif.)

I hope it will be that easy. But I do every once in a great great while (I've had to do it once) have to create an animated gif. It was for a progress-loading indicator that I didn't want to reside in javascript (though that may have been easier).
 
wrong. you can legally use it to make money:

from the edu puchasing FAQ:

Professional/commercial use
Student question
"I'm very interested in buying the Education version of Adobe Creative Suite, but first I want to know if the software can be used to produce work for paying customers once I am working in the industry, or do I have to buy a different version of Creative Suite once I'm working in the industry?”

Answer
Good news! You can use Adobe Education software (any title!) to produce commercial/professional paid-for work when you leave school, or even while you are in school. In this regard, Adobe does not limit how student software is used. So students can use it to learn and to make money!

(Of course, students must agree to the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement — which appears during installation — just as every software customer must do.)

It's the faking being a student part that's illegal, or at least somewhat immoral. But, as I said, Adobe wants you to purchase now, and then buy upgrades later...
 
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