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Adobe Creative Suite 3 (CS3) Pricing and Upgrades

wildmac said:
It's the faking being a student part that's illegal, or at least somewhat immoral. But, as I said, Adobe wants you to purchase now, and then buy upgrades later...
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that may be true but thats not the question that was asked. and what i have found is that while it it extremely easy to pull an "illegal" edu discount with apple, it is a lot harder to pull it with adobe since the places that sell it REQUIRE proof of eligibility before you buy.
 
wildmac said:
any why isn't Lightroom included anywhere?...
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good question. I would think that since it integrates with ps, that adobe would stick it on, at least with the premium bundles. that would certainly give it a competitive edge over aperture.

maybe its not included since lightroom is cheap (~$200 introductory, ~100 educational).
 
Anyone know how many licenses you get for those prices?
How many computers can you install?
Do they have a package deal for a small office? 5 stations?
 
shecky said:
that may be true but thats not the question that was asked. and what i have found is that while it it extremely easy to pull an "illegal" edu discount with apple, it is a lot harder to pull it with adobe since the places that sell it REQUIRE proof of eligibility before you buy.
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True. You don't even need to show ID to buy student software at an Apple store. (But you do for hardware).

But my wife is a full-time student, so... I'll still probably buy the normal version. Just because I can buy the edu version doesn't make it moral.
 
murfle said:
Hmmmm, I have a windows version of photoshop 5.0, still shrinkwrapped... I don't know how the upgrades work, whether its a full install, just use the old serial, or what... Basically, I'd love to try going the 'upgrade to CS2' route and getting a better deal on CS3... But I have my doubts I can make the move to the Mac version...

Anyone have any idea about this?
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I *think* you could buy a Photoshop 7.0 upgrade (remember, CS3 upgrades require 7, CS1, or CS2) for Mac, install it with your old Photoshop 5 serial, and then buy the Photoshop CS3 upgrade.
 
Somewhat high prices

Man, some of those prices seem rather high, at least if you are buying these new outright, and not doing an upgrade bundle. I'm glad I'll be doing an upgrade from the CS2 suite, so it won't be so hard to swing.

At the moment, either the Design Standard bundle or the Design Premium bundles look good to me. Actually Design Prem. looks best, but the .png chart has no upgrade pricing for it at all. I would be upgrading from CS2 suite to it, so I'd like to know what that would cost. I can't imagine they don't have an upgrade bundle for it. If it's around $499 like the Web premium upgrade price, I might bite. $500 for Photoshop Extended, Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat Professional, Dreamweaver and Flash, along with Bridge, sounds pretty nice to me.

Still, it DOES seem like the overall prices have jumped a bit with this suite rev. I hope they're really worth it.

I guess we'll know more tomorrow.
 
Quick review of InDesign and Long Documents

As some who writes and edits books in InDesign, many thanks to Adobe for the long document features. I've got a book in progress that was designed assuming they'd add running headers and footers. Thanks for not disappointing me!

I'm not quite sure what "synchronized master pages" are. A Google search turned up absolutely no hits. But if it's what I think it is, then thanks yet again. It'll mean that I can tell InDesign to automatically apply a chapter master page to every page with a chapter heading style. That'll save a lot of hassle.

Unfortunately, there wasn't any mention of the two other major hassles of doing books in InDesign. First, while magazines and newspapers usually have their length fixed in advance, books have to grow or shrink as they're edited and proofed. I saw nothing about the new InDesign being smart enough make the page count fit the text length (as in FrameMaker). Second, InDesign users need a way to break multi-column text for a single column heading and then return to multi-column text in the same text frame. Currently, we face the misery of ending a multi-column text frame, adding a single-column frame for the heading, and then creating yet another multicolumn frame--all of which have to be adjusted when the text length changes. Number of columns should be an attribute of a paragraph and not of the frame, again like FrameMaker, the preeminent long document application.

Finally, I've seen the new user interface demoed with the Photoshop beta and love it. Thanks for getting rid of palette clutter, my #1 gripe with CS2.

--Michael W. Perry, Untangling Tolkien
 
Blue Velvet said:
Oh please, all of you, stop with this. These apps are aimed at pros, not dabblers and hobbyists and are priced accordingly. GIMP is no match for Photoshop, CMYK is not the be-all of pro features.

We'll be buying because we have work to do. So if you're making money with this stuff, then the price is a drop in the ocean... even as a freelancer, I could pay for the Design Premium suite with the payment from just one job.
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And I want to buy the software as a hobbyist. I'm 19. I'm working an IT job. I have a creative side. I like to teach myself new things, I'd like to learn some video editing and be able to use Photoshop at native speeds (I want to buy Photoshop CS3 only for the Universal Binary, Photoshop 7 works fine for me, just really really slow, ugh).

The prices are just so ridiculous I can't afford to pick up the software.

The hobbyists are the ones that get burned. We're NOT making money off of it, we're being creative for our own enjoyment.

The pros have no problem with this pricing. It's the hobbyists that do.
 
freeny said:
So when I contact Adobe I should say Shecky said 2 seats? ;)
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You could try the old-fashioned flatter approach: "A rumor site said you'd give 2 seats, but I know better. You'd never give so little. You are, after all, a wonderful company, so you will probably surpass my wildest expectations... right?" "Err.... right... um no we'd never give so little. Fiv... " trails of as he hears your breath ... "ten seats?" he asks, somewhat fearfully.

"You're so wonderful!" you respond.

Of course, as they deal with rules, and they follow orders or people are fired, that is not likely to happen.
 
CoreWeb said:
What is your definition of "hobbyist?" Because most likely I agree with you, but some people do stuff like, say, create their own websites, or others, or do some photo touch-up even. They may be quite good designers, but they don't do it for a living. Are these people "hobbyists," because if they are, then there is a group of people who should be able to get the software but can't.

I'm not a hobbyist - at least not in my own definition. I spend tons of time each day working on websites. I've only had a couple of paying web design jobs, however (I'm still in school/College). Does that make me a hobbyist? I write very advanced code, spend many hours programming in PHP + HTML + CSS plus a language of my own invention which compiles to PHP. Is that the actions of a hobbyist?

I'm waiting for the academic pricing, actually. Hopefully that'll be a bit cheaper. (I wish it were like Autodesk's Maya - ~$390 for Unlimited, which costs $7000 otherwise...)
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I would not consider some on who is in school for their profession a hobbyist. You have more than a legit reason to have the software. I consider someone who is completely untrained in the fundamentals of design a hobbyist( i.e hacks and 13 yr old kids calling themselves designers...we refer to them as photoshop cowboys)
 
wildmac said:
With the vector objects in Photoshop now, I've gotten into to habit of just dragging all the elements from illustrator into PS, and making my web graphics from there... don't see the need for imageready or fireworks anymore... (I never switch to imageready within PS unless I need to make an animated gif.)
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a new feature that was introduced in Photoshop CS2 is the ability to make animated gifs in Photoshop without having to switch over to ImageReady... :)
 
And what will happen if I buy any of this software (specifically, Photoshop CS3) and install it on my desktop and TWO laptops? (I've got an MB and MBP at home)

Will it be fine as long as I don't run them at the same time?
 
wildmac said:
If it's like the last one, you can install on a laptop and a desktop, and not use them both at the same time.
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whether its a laptop or a desktop makes no legal difference. the ability to install the product on 2 different machines was intended so that people could put it a business computer and a home/laptop computer, but it could be two home computers, etc. The only requirements are that you own both computers, don't use the program at the same time on both, and that they must run the same OS. (ex.: you can't have a mac at the office, and an hp at home and run one copy of cs2 on both of them.)
 
Inkling said:
...InDesign users need a way to break multi-column text for a single column heading and then return to multi-column text in the same text frame. Currently, we face the misery of ending a multi-column text frame, adding a single-column frame for the heading, and then creating yet another multicolumn frame--all of which have to be adjusted when the text length changes.
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Publications are a large part of my job and yes, there are many times I've wished for the same feature in QuarkXpress, however, embedding text boxes as objects with heads and subs within other text boxes is possible in Quark, and their alignment and leading easy to control particularly if using a baseline grid. This ensures that they move in unison with the body text even as it is edited.

This capability is surely available in InDesign?
 
GFLPraxis said:
And what will happen if I buy any of this software (specifically, Photoshop CS3) and install it on my desktop and TWO laptops? (I've got an MB and MBP at home)

Will it be fine as long as I don't run them at the same time?
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If the activation scheme is the same as it was on CS2, then it won't activate on your third machine, and you'll only be able to use it on the desktop and one of the laptops.
 
GFLPraxis said:
And what will happen if I buy any of this software (specifically, Photoshop CS3) and install it on my desktop and TWO laptops? (I've got an MB and MBP at home)

Will it be fine as long as I don't run them at the same time?
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If the licensing in CS3 works like it did with CS2, then you can only activate it on 2 machines at the same time. That does not mean you can't install it on as many computers as you want, just that it can only be activated for use (via the Internet) on 2 workstations simultaneously. Since activation and de-activation is a relatively simple process, you could conceivably install it on all 3 machines, activate it on the 2 most commonly used ones, then, deactivate it on one when you know you need to use the 3rd.

But if you wanted to use it on all 3 at the same time, even if not on the same network, you're out of luck, unless Adobe has changed their policy on this. One can hope I guess.
 
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