Apple is a powerful company whatever they says goes .Everybody better get on board or go android which will eventually follow apple‘s lead sorry folks this the way it is 😞
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Other After three years, I won't buy an iPhone 14 due to the SIM tray...
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Here is an ESIM story for you that literally has me to the point of just returning all of my Apple products and getting a flip phone that does standard text/voice.
Purchased iPhone 14 Pro Max, upgraded from iPhone 13 Pro Max. New iPhone had an issue where the AOD wouldn’t wake up for several hours at a time. Called Apple, they sent a replacement. New replacement phone will not activate on ESIM. Spent several hours on the phone with Verizon and Apple, both blaming each other for the issue. Finally one guy at Verizon tried something and I ended up without any service to either the original phone or the replacement phone. Spent 5 hours sitting in a Verizon store on Sunday because they could not activate either phone again. Verizon store had Apple and Verizon support on a three-way conference call. I have devoted over 15 hours of my personal time to trying to get this fixed. Next solution is to send back replacement for a new replacement, all the while without any working phone/service.
ESIM sucks, if this were a physical SIM Verizon could have literally given me a new physical card.
Purchased iPhone 14 Pro Max, upgraded from iPhone 13 Pro Max. New iPhone had an issue where the AOD wouldn’t wake up for several hours at a time. Called Apple, they sent a replacement. New replacement phone will not activate on ESIM. Spent several hours on the phone with Verizon and Apple, both blaming each other for the issue. Finally one guy at Verizon tried something and I ended up without any service to either the original phone or the replacement phone. Spent 5 hours sitting in a Verizon store on Sunday because they could not activate either phone again. Verizon store had Apple and Verizon support on a three-way conference call. I have devoted over 15 hours of my personal time to trying to get this fixed. Next solution is to send back replacement for a new replacement, all the while without any working phone/service.
ESIM sucks, if this were a physical SIM Verizon could have literally given me a new physical card.
I think the real question is how did you think going from a 13 to a 14 could possibly be worth it, esp. given the SIM card issue?
They are not illegal. Hell, the entire pharmaceutical industry is based on kickbacks. They call them "rebates". Go Google THAT.
I think the real question is why does it matter if I am going from 13 to 14….it should just work, no matter what, there should be no barrier for the customer, especially in the eyes of the business that is earning extra money.
I haven't bought a new computer in the past 20 years because they took away the floppy drive. Someday I'll get a new one when they bring it back. I'll also need my 14k modem, cd-rom drive, PS2 mouse/keyboard, and serial port.
Yes, this does sort of remind me of those types of complaints.
And don't forget those color screen and graphics are not needed. A green screen with 80 characters/line and 24 lines is all anyone needs!
The point is more this is a transitory issue. ESIMs are not new. iPhone models have had them since 2018 and carriers had years knowing that one day the physical SIM was going away.
I was as freaked out as anyone. But then I did some research and found in the EU where I travel eSIM support is readily available.
One year later and now we have this:
smart.com.ph
I guess Apple’s strong arm tactics do work.
P.S.
The new SIM Card Registration Act sucks, though. I think Airalo, etc. have also stopped offering their services in the Philippines because of the new law.
P.P.S.
Watched some YouTube videos and it seems SIM switching is pretty easy on Smart. Easier than trying to find a paper clip or SIM card eject tool to pop out your SIM at least. You just need the eSIM QR code (either by keeping the actual card itself or using a photo). First delete the eSIM from the active phone, then add the eSIM by scanning the QR code on the new phone. Easy peasy.
Smart launches the Philippines' first Prepaid eSIM
I guess Apple’s strong arm tactics do work.
P.S.
The new SIM Card Registration Act sucks, though. I think Airalo, etc. have also stopped offering their services in the Philippines because of the new law.
P.P.S.
Watched some YouTube videos and it seems SIM switching is pretty easy on Smart. Easier than trying to find a paper clip or SIM card eject tool to pop out your SIM at least. You just need the eSIM QR code (either by keeping the actual card itself or using a photo). First delete the eSIM from the active phone, then add the eSIM by scanning the QR code on the new phone. Easy peasy.
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My ESIM scenario was NEVER resolved. Replacement phone went back to Apple and I am still using the original iPhone 14 Pro that had the AOD issue (with issue not resolved either). Could this year be different, will the hardware in the 15 be any better and able to handle my upgrade?
You just reminded me of how much I hated my 4S on Sprint. The service was horrible and I rarely had signal at home.
I had the iPhone 5 in 2012. An LTE capable phone at a point in time where Sprint didn't have LTE in Phoenix. I didn't get LTE until mid-2013 and I had to wait two years before it got faster than 3G!
One of the primary reasons I left Sprint for T-Mobile in 2015.
Interesting I’ll try smart esim next time I’m there. Last time I used nomad international sim for data. Wonder if I can activate smart while overseas?One year later and now we have this:
Smart launches the Philippines' first Prepaid eSIM
I guess Apple’s strong arm tactics do work.
P.S.
The new SIM Card Registration Act sucks, though. I think Airalo, etc. have also stopped offering their services in the Philippines because of the new law.
P.P.S.
Watched some YouTube videos and it seems SIM switching is pretty easy on Smart. Easier than trying to find a paper clip or SIM card eject tool to pop out your SIM at least. You just need the eSIM QR code (either by keeping the actual card itself or using a photo). First delete the eSIM from the active phone, then add the eSIM by scanning the QR code on the new phone. Easy peasy.
I had a similar issue when activating eSim for the first time last year. I spent 2 hours in a Verizon store with no service on my 12PM nor 14PM, before up and went home. I called tech support over the phone and within 5 minutes I had service.
I had made the mistake of going from T-Mobile to Sprint when the Nextel phones were out. Once Sprint started selling the iPhones, I quickly jumped on that and stayed with Sprint until my contract was paid off, and I switched back to T-Mobile, only to switch to Verizon 3 years ago. I’m a letter carrier and having no service and dead spots in bad neighborhoods terrified me to switch carriers. I’ve been pretty happy with Verizon and wished I switched a long time ago.
I think last year the rumours said that the 14 generation is going esim for the US, with the 15 generation to be esim only worldwide. Wonder if that will turn out to be true…
If Apple goes eSIM-only for the 15 it will force many carriers to offer the eSIM option.
I have an eSIM in my 14 Pro on Verizon and as a user there is no difference. I lose the ability to pop a regular SIM in a different phone but how often do I do that? Not very often. Taking a couple minutes to download a new eSIM on a second phone is easy peasy.
The whole eSIM controversy is a tempest in a teapot.
I have an eSIM in my 14 Pro on Verizon and as a user there is no difference. I lose the ability to pop a regular SIM in a different phone but how often do I do that? Not very often. Taking a couple minutes to download a new eSIM on a second phone is easy peasy.
The whole eSIM controversy is a tempest in a teapot.
You clearly do not travel to many or any developing countries. If you did you would quickly realize how incorrect your statements are.
Was just gonna say something similar. It’s fine for people that don’t leave their country much or at all. If you travel a lot, it can be difficult. Even in Canada, they still default to giving you a physical sim unless you ask for an esim.
I’ve been a digital nomad for the last 2 years and have used esim in many/most places, but some places don’t have it at all.
Woohoo! Looks like the Canadian 15 pro still has a nano sim. But it’s $100 over the exchange rate value, as usual. That plus our taxes means the base 15 Pro ends up being $165 CAD more in total vs NY state.