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Ha ha Apple is so smart, this should be the true reason why iphone 14 in US does not increase price. They can now force you to use big carriers only and big carriers to increase prices with whatever deals with Apple lol xd.
 
Of course Apple knows what they are doing. Apple always has "deals" with main carriers in US. If you are forced to use esim, then when you go travel you cannot buy cheap Sim card for travel only, you can only use whatever expensive travel plan in the esim with the carrier.

Except you can buy temporary eSIMs for travel. And with further adoption they will become even cheaper than current throwaway sims, because they don't require anything physical, can be activated with an app and you can easily compare prices online beforehand, which leads to competition.
 
You can just click add esim to add an international phone line on iOS 16. 🤷🏾‍♂️
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Does AT&T make you call CS to transfer p-sim/e-sim to a new iPhone, or login to your account on the web or is it all done right on your phone?
No they don't. For their prepaid plan they make you visit a brick and mortar store, in person with your device. And not just "any" AT&T store. It has to be a corporate owned store. Couldn't be easier or more convenient... :rolleyes:
 
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I really cannot understand this at all. Do they really not think these things through when they consider their market?

High end users who travel globally, now being locked out of phones unless they are going somewhere with a carrier that does prepaid esim.

In my case, I looked up the two carriers that apple says do esim in the Philippines. both of them are POST PAID PLANS.

Suffice it to say, I am not going to be going that route and signing a contract for using my phone when I am there for 3-4 weeks.
European ones have sim tray so you will probably be able to just order from European apple store. I’ll bet they will have an option on the USA site before long too
 
Buy one in Canada - problem solved

Perhaps someone can talk me off the cliff here

I am not just posting this to be that person that says "THAT'S IT, I RAGE QUIT" so somehow virtue signal against what is popular.

I have family in the Philippines and when I travel, I immediately remove my SIM and put in one of the carriers there.

HECK, pre-covid they used to give you a sim ON THE PLANE for this purpose. Smart marketing for Globe (the carrier) for sure.

I pay about $50 US and get 40 gigs of data, then remove the card when I get back to the usa.

This is incredibly convenient because I can walk up to any vendor in the airport, shopping mall or street corner shop, immediately get service and then pop my own network sim back in when I am taxiing back on the runway in the USA.

Middle of nowhere and travel? Good freaking luck in getting a fancy eSIM in a developing nation.

I want the "dynamic island" and I want to have that new camera, but I also want to have the phone connecting without having to go through unnecessary steps.

Am I wrong in this?

edit - APPLE HAS A PAGE... Dedicated to carriers that use esim.
In my country case, both esim providers are POSTPAID.

Contract based. That sucks, and again will disqualify someone like me.
 
Let's be honest, physical SIM has to go eventually. Just like the headphone jack, eSIM will be mainstream. I bet there will be more prepaid eSIM options available for travellers. The experience will be better and less waste.
 
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I didn't see an answer for this, but I currently have an iPhone 13 in the US with AT&T Prepaid and a physical sim. I don't plan on switching to an e-sim until I have to, but I do have a trip planned for Europe next year. My original plan was to purchase an inexpensive physical SIM card once I got there, but now that I'm reading about Airalo and their esims that looks like it could be a decent option.

My question is once I switch over to the local esim when I'm in Europe will I still be able to use iMessage that is linked with my phone number to message people back home in the states? I am aware that the Airalo plans are data only and there is not local phone number associated with them.
 
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Perhaps someone can talk me off the cliff here

I am not just posting this to be that person that says "THAT'S IT, I RAGE QUIT" so somehow virtue signal against what is popular.

I have family in the Philippines and when I travel, I immediately remove my SIM and put in one of the carriers there.

HECK, pre-covid they used to give you a sim ON THE PLANE for this purpose. Smart marketing for Globe (the carrier) for sure.

I pay about $50 US and get 40 gigs of data, then remove the card when I get back to the usa.

This is incredibly convenient because I can walk up to any vendor in the airport, shopping mall or street corner shop, immediately get service and then pop my own network sim back in when I am taxiing back on the runway in the USA.

Middle of nowhere and travel? Good freaking luck in getting a fancy eSIM in a developing nation.

I want the "dynamic island" and I want to have that new camera, but I also want to have the phone connecting without having to go through unnecessary steps.

Am I wrong in this?

edit - APPLE HAS A PAGE... Dedicated to carriers that use esim.
In my country case, both esim providers are POSTPAID.

Contract based. That sucks, and again will disqualify someone like me.

Order a phone from the Apple Store in Canada. Have it shipped to someone in Canada. Then have them re-ship it to you.

Or, if you're close enough, just go to Canada and buy one.
 
Just a thought... you could drive up here to Canada and purchase an iPhone 14 from Apple. All phones sold in Canada are unlocked, and still have a SIM tray.
They don‘t have the same 5G bands supports that the US models have so that might cause poor performance in some areas… The US version also has more 5G bands.

 
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The US iPhone Pros are models A2650 and A2651 max
These are eSIM only

You want model A2890 or A2894 which still have
SIM Card support
  • Dual SIM (nano-SIM and eSIM)11
  • Dual eSIM support11
For a US person ordering from Canada is probably closest

What ever you do, don’t get it in the Philippines
iPhone 14 Pro6.1-inch display¹From ₱70,990

Three years ago I struggled to get a eSIM conversion because I needed two lines

Now more and more carriers are letting you convert by App (qr scan) or by call from a sim to eSIM
I would pop out one of those sims you bought overseas and do some online research.
iPhones sold in other markets don‘t have the same or as much 5G bands supported so that might cause poor performance in some areas in the US…

 
I just saw a thread saying Canada hardware is the same as Yankee hardware
They may have the same hardware but iPhones sold in other markets don‘t have the same or as much 5G bands supported so that might cause poor performance in some areas in the US.

 
Wonder how they check for water intrusion now. didn’t they access it via sim tray before ?
But without a SIM tray opening, there is less chance for water to enter your device 😉 Especially through the SIM tray 😉 which is now non-existent 😉
 
Now that Apple is abandoning physical SIM cards, they'll start to become less prevalent. Carriers will start to adopt e-SIMs to ensure they don't lose the iPhone market, and other phone manufacturers will follow Apple's lead in eliminating the physical tray. We've seen this movie before.

The net result is likely to be that certain types of use are more challenging for a time, then become normalized in a year or two once smaller players catch up. But it certainly means that there is more opportunity for activation fees and the like. My advice for anyone who needs a physical SIM is to buy an iPhone 13/13 Pro or a newer Canadian/European iPhone, and prepare to hold onto that until things shake out. We'll have a new normal by at least the iPhone 16.
 
Finally got my employer to move the line on a physical SIM to an eSIM. That only took 11 days. If the 14 had a physical SIM slot, it would have taken 30 seconds - and I would have all the benefits of a physical SIM card.

eSIM only sucks.
 
I really cannot understand this at all. Do they really not think these things through when they consider their market?

High end users who travel globally, now being locked out of phones unless they are going somewhere with a carrier that does prepaid esim.

In my case, I looked up the two carriers that apple says do esim in the Philippines. both of them are POST PAID PLANS.

Suffice it to say, I am not going to be going that route and signing a contract for using my phone when I am there for 3-4 weeks.
That's exactly why they did it. They don't want you to take Sim card out. Somehow they are interested if you pay roaming, or whatever. My wife won't buy Iphone 14 because of it, she'll chose the model with regular SIM. Just as me. When they'll realize people prefer having regular SIM Card they'll make these features at least optional.
 
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That's exactly why they did it. They don't want you to take Sim card out. Somehow they are interested if you pay roaming, or whatever. My wife won't buy Iphone 14 because of it, she'll chose the model with regular SIM. Just as me. When they'll realize people prefer having regular SIM Card they'll make these features at least optional.
Why would Apple be interested if you have to pay roaming fees to your carrier? Please explain.
 
I agree Apple should not have removed the SIM card tray but I bet Android phones will follow along and switch to eSIM only in short order.

It will be a painful transition but I expect soon enough you'll be able to buy a prepaid eSIM QR code card just like you buy a physical SIM today.

In the meantime there are providers like Airalo, Gigsky, and Truphone to name a few that provide eSIMS for about anywhere you might go.

Another good resource is esimdb.com

So yes I do wish Apple hadn't done it but there are ways to make things work and I expect things will continue to get easier with eSIM and travel as time goes on.
 
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No sim tray just like the old days of cdma where carrier had to activate the sim. Physical sims are convenient esims are not.
 
Why would Apple be interested if you have to pay roaming fees to your carrier? Please explain.
There are always some kickbacks from Mfr to the Carrier, and, although they wouldn't specify it directly I'm pretty sure they help each other to make money
 
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