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NauticalDan

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That's pretty bad and would be a good indication why the case drains so fast.

Yeah, it means the case is dead after about 4 or 5 days if no use. About 2-3 days with light useage. I finished a log of my battery drain recently. Doing the same thing now except have automatic ear detection and the double tap function turned off. Wondering if those sensors might make a difference.

Thurs 1330 - AirPods 98 / case 100
Fri 0500 - AirPods 100 / case 97
Fri 0600 - AirPods 97 / case 97
(used for 30 min, music)
Fri 0630 - AirPods 89 / case 96
Fri 0800 - AirPods 100 / case 87
Fri 1200 - AirPods 100 / case 81
Fri 1600 - AirPods 100 / case 75
Sat 0700 - AirPods 100 / case 72
Sat 0930 - AirPods 100 / case 65
(used for 140 min music, 10 min talk)
Sat 1200 - AirPods 47 / case 64
Sat 1330 - AirPods 100 / case 44
Sat 1830 - AirPods 100 / case 38
Sun 0900 - AirPods 100 / case 34
Sun 1100 - AirPods 100 / case 29
(used for 120 min music)
Sun 1300 - AirPods 63 / case 27
Sun 1430 - AirPods 100 / case 5
Sun 1530 - AirPods 95 / case 2
Sun 1630 - AirPods 94 / case 0
Sun 2030 - AirPods 72 / case dead
Sun 2130 - AirPods 63 / case dead
Sun 2230 - AirPods 55/68 / case dead
Mon 0200 - AirPods 33/52 / case dead
Mon 0600 - AirPods 11/36 / case dead
 

miamialley

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Yeah, it means the case is dead after about 4 or 5 days if no use. About 2-3 days with light useage. I finished a log of my battery drain recently. Doing the same thing now except have automatic ear detection and the double tap function turned off. Wondering if those sensors might make a difference.

Thurs 1330 - AirPods 98 / case 100
Fri 0500 - AirPods 100 / case 97
Fri 0600 - AirPods 97 / case 97
(used for 30 min, music)
Fri 0630 - AirPods 89 / case 96
Fri 0800 - AirPods 100 / case 87
Fri 1200 - AirPods 100 / case 81
Fri 1600 - AirPods 100 / case 75
Sat 0700 - AirPods 100 / case 72
Sat 0930 - AirPods 100 / case 65
(used for 140 min music, 10 min talk)
Sat 1200 - AirPods 47 / case 64
Sat 1330 - AirPods 100 / case 44
Sat 1830 - AirPods 100 / case 38
Sun 0900 - AirPods 100 / case 34
Sun 1100 - AirPods 100 / case 29
(used for 120 min music)
Sun 1300 - AirPods 63 / case 27
Sun 1430 - AirPods 100 / case 5
Sun 1530 - AirPods 95 / case 2
Sun 1630 - AirPods 94 / case 0
Sun 2030 - AirPods 72 / case dead
Sun 2130 - AirPods 63 / case dead
Sun 2230 - AirPods 55/68 / case dead
Mon 0200 - AirPods 33/52 / case dead
Mon 0600 - AirPods 11/36 / case dead

Hmm, I will disable double tap, too and see how it works out.
 

profets

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Maybe a dumb question - but if automatic ear detection is off, how do the AirPods wake or know to play music? Or maybe i guess the ear detection is just for automatically pausing music when removing them and vice versa?
 

NauticalDan

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Maybe a dumb question - but if automatic ear detection is off, how do the AirPods wake or know to play music? Or maybe i guess the ear detection is just for automatically pausing music when removing them and vice versa?

Nope, not dumb. They just connect to your phone when u take them out of the case and sound will play back on them regardless if they are in your ear or not. Then they disconnect from phone when they go back in the charging case.
 
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That's pretty bad and would be a good indication why the case drains so fast.
How is that bad??

It's not even remotely bad. The AirPods are not going to go into some magical hibernation that sees no drain when in the case. And the case is just another battery powered device. It is itself on, and draining, just by being on, and on top of it, charging a set of AirPods.

This whole thing is one big joke. It wouldn't be an Apple product launch without a bunch of people with no clue what to expect from a product trying to make a big deal out of it on the internet.
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Yeah, it means the case is dead after about 4 or 5 days if no use. About 2-3 days with light useage. I finished a log of my battery drain recently. Doing the same thing now except have automatic ear detection and the double tap function turned off. Wondering if those sensors might make a difference.

Thurs 1330 - AirPods 98 / case 100
Fri 0500 - AirPods 100 / case 97
Fri 0600 - AirPods 97 / case 97
(used for 30 min, music)
Fri 0630 - AirPods 89 / case 96
Fri 0800 - AirPods 100 / case 87
Fri 1200 - AirPods 100 / case 81
Fri 1600 - AirPods 100 / case 75
Sat 0700 - AirPods 100 / case 72
Sat 0930 - AirPods 100 / case 65
(used for 140 min music, 10 min talk)
Sat 1200 - AirPods 47 / case 64
Sat 1330 - AirPods 100 / case 44
Sat 1830 - AirPods 100 / case 38
Sun 0900 - AirPods 100 / case 34
Sun 1100 - AirPods 100 / case 29
(used for 120 min music)
Sun 1300 - AirPods 63 / case 27
Sun 1430 - AirPods 100 / case 5
Sun 1530 - AirPods 95 / case 2
Sun 1630 - AirPods 94 / case 0
Sun 2030 - AirPods 72 / case dead
Sun 2130 - AirPods 63 / case dead
Sun 2230 - AirPods 55/68 / case dead
Mon 0200 - AirPods 33/52 / case dead
Mon 0600 - AirPods 11/36 / case dead
Oh great now we'll have people duped into turning off features thinking it has something to do with battery. Wouldn't be an Apple product launch without that either!
 
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thadoggfather

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out of curiosity what ios version / device are you guys pairing where you're experiencing really bad standby? I wonder if this has anything to do with it at all?

..mine arrive tomorrow, and I have a 7+ jailbroken on 10.1.1, will report back.

also skimmed thread a bit, but does anyone not have this problem? is there a poll of breakdown/ ?
 

profets

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How is that bad??

It's not even remotely bad. The AirPods are not going to go into some magical hibernation that sees no drain when in the case. And the case is just another battery powered device. It is itself on, and draining, just by being on, and on top of it, charging a set of AirPods.

This whole thing is one big joke. It wouldn't be an Apple product launch without a bunch of people with no clue what to expect from a product trying to make a big deal out of it on the internet.
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Oh great now we'll have people duped into turning off features thinking it has something to do with battery. Wouldn't be an Apple product launch without that either!

Oh great, you're back here again? Yes, we get it. You insist that this is a feature and that the AirPods should stay active when not being used and completely drain their batteries and the case's battery within 2-3 days. Thanks
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out of curiosity what ios version / device are you guys pairing where you're experiencing really bad standby? I wonder if this has anything to do with it at all?

..mine arrive tomorrow, and I have a 7+ jailbroken on 10.1.1, will report back.

also skimmed thread a bit, but does anyone not have this problem? is there a poll of breakdown/ ?

My devices all on 10.2 and 10.12.2.
 

Psybir

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How is that bad??

It's not even remotely bad. The AirPods are not going to go into some magical hibernation that sees no drain when in the case. And the case is just another battery powered device. It is itself on, and draining, just by being on, and on top of it, charging a set of AirPods.

This whole thing is one big joke. It wouldn't be an Apple product launch without a bunch of people with no clue what to expect from a product trying to make a big deal out of it on the internet.
[doublepost=1483408715][/doublepost]
Oh great now we'll have people duped into turning off features thinking it has something to do with battery. Wouldn't be an Apple product launch without that either!
We'll, we WERE having a civilized conversation and then as usual the internet happened... guess I shouldn't be surprised.
 
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teidon

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Fri 0630 - AirPods 89 / case 96
Fri 0800 - AirPods 100 / case 87
Fri 1200 - AirPods 100 / case 81
Fri 1600 - AirPods 100 / case 75
Sat 0700 - AirPods 100 / case 72
Sat 0930 - AirPods 100 / case 65
I would just like to say that this kind of reporting is completely pointless because if you keep opening the case, of course the battery is going to drain. Also even if some of you people consider "using the AirPods" to mean that you listen to music with them, from the device's standpoint "using" means powering them on. Which happens as soon as you open the case. For example the MacBooks have a deep sleep feature which activates when they are not connected to mains power and not used for 4 hours. In deep sleep they can "survive" up to 30 days. But if you open the lid every 4 hours to see what the battery level is now, the battery will be empty in just couple days or so.


I would prefer to see the kind of reporting where the case is kept closed for 40+ hours before opening. Because that would give some (semi-)realistic real world use case information about the battery.

In the mean time I have been enjoying the product. I'm not getting the "promised" 24hours because of the stand by drain, but they are holding charge well enough to not be and issue at all.
 
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tomaustin44

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Some really good contributions to the discussions in the last few pages, well done! I'm on my second pair now, which started off badly but seem to have improved (he says tentatively) after a full drain, recharge and reset (not sure which of those may have improved it). Approaching 24 hours and case is sitting at 82% with about 2 hours playback...likely still way off the advertised 24 hours but not bad. Will monitor and update though.

What's promising is that other tech sites are picking this up now. iMore have a post about it now.

UPDATE: have just used for about 20 minutes this morning for music playback...went to put Airpods back in the case and case battery had dropped to 67%. Hmmm.
 
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xenzo1990

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Jan 3, 2017
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Got mine on Friday. Fully charged that night. I then got about 10 hours cumulative listening time out of them over Saturday, Sunday, Monday. I was dropping about 10-20% in the case overnight. Fully charged them up from zero last night, took them off charge before I went to bed. They were still at 100% this morning, 10 hours later. Will keep an eye on things now they have had a full discharge-charge cycle.

What I did notice, is that when I first got them, the case was at about 50% on unboxing. I charged it up to 100% and it was very quick, it got up from 50% to 100% in about 10 minutes. Last night however, it took well over an hour to fully charge from 0%. Much slower.
 

profets

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I would just like to say that this kind of reporting is completely pointless because if you keep opening the case, of course the battery is going to drain. Also even if some of you people consider "using the AirPods" to mean that you listen to music with them, from the device's standpoint "using" means powering them on. Which happens as soon as you open the case. For example the MacBooks have a deep sleep feature which activates when they are not connected to mains power and not used for 4 hours. In deep sleep they can "survive" up to 30 days. But if you open the lid every 4 hours to see what the battery level is now, the battery will be empty in just couple days or so.


I would prefer to see the kind of reporting where the case is kept closed for 40+ hours before opening. Because that would give some (semi-)realistic real world use case information about the battery.

In the mean time I have been enjoying the product. I'm not getting the "promised" 24hours because of the stand by drain, but they are holding charge well enough to not be and issue at all.

Opening the case alone to see the battery level is going to cause them to drain? If that is the case then I'd say there's an issue with the design. While it's obvious that the action of opening the case is going to cause the AirPods to fire up the radios and attempt to connect, closing the case down stop the communication.

Seriously though - I do agree that longer periods of time are needed to really test standby. If you've been following the thread you'll see that's been monitored as well, although it's only a handful of us here. Would definitely be nicer to see a larger data set.
 
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rubengc86

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Jan 3, 2017
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Hi guys, first of all, sorry for my englinsh, I'm from Europe. Second, my airpods also have battery leaks. I've tried the case reset but didn't work for me, the airpods' case still leaks battery.

Now I'm traying to discharge boths, airpods and case, and this is the curious fact:

1. 0.00 (put pods out the case and go to bed) - pods 65%, case 20%
2. 7.15 (put pods in the case) - pods: 56%, case:19%
3. 8.00 (starts to play spotify on my iphone 7 iOS10.2): pods: 80%, case:5%
4. 10.30 (check battery and continue playing music): pods:48%, case:5%
5. 11.00 (stops to play music and put pods into the case): pods: 35%, case: 5%
6. 11.25 AM (play music again): pods:34%, case: 5%

Why the case hasn't leaks batery since the point 3?
 

profets

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Hi guys, first of all, sorry for my englinsh, I'm from Europe. Second, my airpods also have battery leaks. I've tried the case reset but didn't work for me, the airpods' case still leaks battery.

Now I'm traying to discharge boths, airpods and case, and this is the curious fact:

1. 0.00 (put pods out the case and go to bed) - pods 65%, case 20%
2. 7.15 (put pods in the case) - pods: 56%, case:19%
3. 8.00 (starts to play spotify on my iphone 7 iOS10.2): pods: 80%, case:5%
4. 10.30 (check battery and continue playing music): pods:48%, case:5%
5. 11.00 (stops to play music and put pods into the case): pods: 35%, case: 5%
6. 11.25 AM (play music again): pods:34%, case: 5%

Why the case hasn't leaks batery since the point 3?

I believe once it reaches 5% it may not have the ability to continue to charge the AirPods. If you can, use and let the battery drain completely for pods and case. Then give a full charge.
 

Lihp8270

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Hi guys, first of all, sorry for my englinsh, I'm from Europe. Second, my airpods also have battery leaks. I've tried the case reset but didn't work for me, the airpods' case still leaks battery.

Now I'm traying to discharge boths, airpods and case, and this is the curious fact:

1. 0.00 (put pods out the case and go to bed) - pods 65%, case 20%
2. 7.15 (put pods in the case) - pods: 56%, case:19%
3. 8.00 (starts to play spotify on my iphone 7 iOS10.2): pods: 80%, case:5%
4. 10.30 (check battery and continue playing music): pods:48%, case:5%
5. 11.00 (stops to play music and put pods into the case): pods: 35%, case: 5%
6. 11.25 AM (play music again): pods:34%, case: 5%

Why the case hasn't leaks batery since the point 3?

Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged. So it will stop charging when it gets this low in order to protect the battery. You should notice that there's also no charging icon next to the AirPods when the case battery is this low.
[doublepost=1483443666][/doublepost]I have started a log of my 2nd charge cycle, which you can find by clicking my signature.

I lost 5% again overnight, then I lost 2% of the case battery, while I was actually using the AirPods still. How bizarre.
 

Arran

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Seriously though - I do agree that longer periods of time are needed to really test standby.

Agreed. That might explain why it slipped through Apple's QA?

Particularly if they were distracted by the much discussed, last-minute issues right before product availability? That would leave scant time to fully test standby performance which, by it's very nature, is impossible to simulate in a test. (Unless Apple has a time machine? A real one. ;) )
 
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Lihp8270

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I would just like to say that this kind of reporting is completely pointless because if you keep opening the case, of course the battery is going to drain. Also even if some of you people consider "using the AirPods" to mean that you listen to music with them, from the device's standpoint "using" means powering them on. Which happens as soon as you open the case. For example the MacBooks have a deep sleep feature which activates when they are not connected to mains power and not used for 4 hours. In deep sleep they can "survive" up to 30 days. But if you open the lid every 4 hours to see what the battery level is now, the battery will be empty in just couple days or so.


I would prefer to see the kind of reporting where the case is kept closed for 40+ hours before opening. Because that would give some (semi-)realistic real world use case information about the battery.

In the mean time I have been enjoying the product. I'm not getting the "promised" 24hours because of the stand by drain, but they are holding charge well enough to not be and issue at all.

I have been trying to report battery at less frequent intervals, or when the case is actually opened to use the airpods. My previous was done at 3 hour intervals. Today, I am only checking when I actually use the device to get a better feel of life in normal usage.

But even still if they did have a separate "deep sleep", then I shouldn't have lost 5% in 9 hours over night.
 
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rubengc86

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I believe once it reaches 5% it may not have the ability to continue to charge the AirPods. If you can, use and let the battery drain completely for pods and case. Then give a full charge.

Yes, I think you are right, but so if I put the airpods in the case (at 5%), then the Airpods have to fully discharge by itself, right? So It seems like the problem are the airpods, which drain the battery of the case.

So then, I put the airpods in the case at 12.00 (airpods 11%, case 5%) and now, 14.00h (2.00 PM) in Barcelona, the case still has 5% of battery, and the airpods still have 11%... So the problem only occurs when the case has enough battery to charge the pods?

I'm really confused... I'm going to try to fully discharge the earpods and make a full charge of the case and the pods.
 

pmau

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Opening the case will be turning them on. They should be doing nothing when in the case and ta closed.
Since there is no physical switch, I highly doubt that.
Also, I cannot find any information that the AirPods are off when there are in the case.
I don't want to argue with you, I'd just like to find some factual evidence.
 

profets

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Since there is no physical switch, I highly doubt that.
Also, I cannot find any information that the AirPods are off when there are in the case.
I don't want to argue with you, I'd just like to find some factual evidence.

Well, yes, technically they can't be fully powered off while in the case. They must have some sensor or communication with the case to be alerted by when the case is open. But I would hope anything that doesn't need to be running could be powered down or in some form of sleep state, especially the radios (which do seem to power down when in the case and closed).
 

Lihp8270

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Since there is no physical switch, I highly doubt that.
Also, I cannot find any information that the AirPods are off when there are in the case.
I don't want to argue with you, I'd just like to find some factual evidence.

If you go back a page or so, I posted a video. As soon as the case is closed the airpods stop communicating. There doesn't need to be a physical switch, the case will also be communicating to the airpods via the connections that charge them. They can report the lid status, the magnetic lid can easily be detected with non contact switches.

The command to go into standby, and wake up. Can be sent to the airpods via the case, so while it may be stopping the bluetooth for some reason they don't seem to go into standby. This is all presumptions of course, but it seems the likeliest solution. Leaving a device with tiny battery like this powered on permanently will severely shorten it's battery life. And since it can already detect the lid status to control the bluetooth comms, there's no reason not to put the airpods into standby at the same time.
 
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We'll, we WERE having a civilized conversation and then as usual the internet happened... guess I shouldn't be surprised.
No, you're not. You're engaging the same tired old typical macrumors we-know-absolutely-nothing about this product but we're going to pass judgement on it and create a "gate" because we have to nonsense.
 

profets

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No, you're not. You're engaging the same tired old typical macrumors we-know-absolutely-nothing about this product but we're going to pass judgement on it and create a "gate" because we have to nonsense.

Your statement couldn't be farther from the truth. But thanks for trying.
 
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