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Almost the end of March
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It's been 3 weeks since Intel launched them - that isn't enough time for major vendor shipments and new products to be out. Intel's launch dates don't always mean new products can come out that day.
Dell have shipping dates on the few E5 server products they've announced as the middle of April onwards. No mention of their Workstations being updated.
HP said early April for their workstations and if you want a server welcome to the queue and an April ship date.
Yeah they aren't Apple, but their behaviour tells a lot. There aren't enough E5 Xeons and chipsets to go around as demand is so high after the 2 year gap since the Westmere update.
Dell have shipping dates on the few E5 server products they've announced as the middle of April onwards. No mention of their Workstations being updated.
HP said early April for their workstations and if you want a server welcome to the queue and an April ship date.
Yeah they aren't Apple, but their behaviour tells a lot. There aren't enough E5 Xeons and chipsets to go around as demand is so high after the 2 year gap since the Westmere update.
True, but have they been announced, and they are on their site! At least Hp's are. Seems to me that by now their should be some real rumors. I'm sure Apple has had those chips for months already.
Intel claimed to have shipped 10,000 processors by March 6th. Reports are chipset shipments were also very limited so manufacturing can't really have begun months ago.
Apple is always one of the first to get these chips. They have them make no mistake about that. They've had them for a while. I have never seen the rumor so void of rumors this close to a release.
No, Apple can probably get them if there is good supply and they use their leverage. It doesn't mean they would and they didn't in 2010.
If you go back and look at other launches there were no real rumours in 2006, 2007, 2009 or 2010. Only one in 2008.
in 2006. It's rumor about dual optical drive, and WWDC2006 delayed.
in 2007. Apple leaks "8-Core" mac pro in their site.
in 2008. there are last hour leaks spec.
Thanks! The first two are real rumours that indicated Apple were going to be releasing new Mac Pros in the next month. Although there was a lot wrong with the 2006 one that got talked about, but I guess the dual optical drive thing and pricing was sort of right. The 2008 one I meant was the report Apple had bought all the 1600MHz FSB Xeons, which seems to have been true.
So three different types of sources and nothing in 4 years. Which to me means the lack of rumours doesn't indicate anything.
I guess we have got used to all the iPhone and iPad leaks. It wasn't always this way.
While there is no definite date where we will see the next Mac Pro, at least there is a definite date where we will see what happens to the Mac Pro, and that is June at WWDC.
either
a. Apple announces Mac Pro in April
b. Apple announces Mac Pro in WWDC
c. Apple announces end of line for Mac Pro at WWDC
I don't think anything else can happen.
either
a. Apple announces Mac Pro in April
b. Apple announces Mac Pro in WWDC
c. Apple announces end of line for Mac Pro at WWDC
I don't think anything else can happen.
I was pretty sure Apple would release at least one more Mac Pro this year. I have to admit I am starting to have some doubts now. It is deathly quiet about them. I think that with each Tuesday that goes by, starting tomorrow, without an announcement starts to point more in the direction of end of line or a substitute product.
I also think it is just kind of mean that they haven't said something by now. They may not read these threads but they know of the angst.
I also think it is just kind of mean that they haven't said something by now. They may not read these threads but they know of the angst.
Ya, I'm pretty much over Apple's communication skills.They need to be upfront with the Pro community! This silent treatment is just stupid! The fact that HP has the new machines on their site, and the fact that Apple has released no statements at all, just tells me they could care less about the professional community. I'm really over that mentality!
If Apple choose Nvidia for the entry level selection then the GPUs are not out. The top end Kepler card is out. The entry level one is probably at least a month away before volume availability. Nvidia is standing in the same "limited yield" wafer line as AMD is for their GPUs over at TSMC. "Last in, Last out" of that queue ( Nvidia's entry level product is very last ).
As long as the other system vendors are severely constrained, it isn't like people are "walking across the street and walking out the door" with an alternative.
I don't think any of these system vendors are in a hurry. There other rumors is that the Ivy Bridge Xeon E5's timelines are pushed back (along with the mainstream Haswell introduction).
Apple's openly stated position is that they don't comment on unreleased products. It is rather non-"professional" to build up huge expectations otherwise. They communicated. There is a huge difference between not communicating and not say what you want them to say. The hissy fits around here land more on the latter than the former.
These "soft releases" or "pre-release announcements" don't really get around the fact that pragmatically the products haven't been released to the point where they will ship. Apple doesn't run Dell's "discount coupon" of the week marketing on their site either. That too doesn't particularly saw much about the company's core attitude about the "professional community".
If Apple put the focus on iOS and OS X at WWDC I would expect that the hardware announcements at WWDC to drop to zero. That's far more likely that soaking up limited "dog and pony" time with hardware. A new MBP or even a Mac mini would be far more likely than a Mac Pro at WWDC.
The Mac Pro is going to get a normal press release introduction. Building up expectations by deeply coupling large "dog and pony" shows to the Mac Pro is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
I wouldn't rule out May if there is a part [ Nvidia cards or outside chance a smaller E3 options]
d. Apple milks the Mac Pro like the Apple 30" Display.
[ Apple never was in a hurry to drop the 30". Nor did they put much R&D effort into a replacement. So it really didn't cost much to just continue to offer it 'as is' for a long time. In short, even if Apple decides to drop R&D to zero I don't think they will be in a hurry to remove it from the product line. Better timing for a "last 4 months to buy one" would be a day or so after a quarter earning announcement where analyst would write it off as a non impact because Apple just had squirreled away even larger cash horde. ]
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There is always the chance nothing will happen. No mention for a couple more years. They just sell the Mac Pro as 2010 and leave the page up forever until the graphic links start to break. Webmaster forgot about it, etc.
And the tag line would still be the "New Mac Pro".
Boy, am I getting cynical about this . . .Apple will only announce the end of the Mac Pro at WWDC if they have a replacement. The end of the Mac Pro would be a conference buzz kill, especially at a developer conference.
Apple tends to announce discontinuations quietly in the middle of the night.
Apple tends to announce discontinuations quietly in the middle of the night.
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In the whole realm of things, don't you think if they were going to discontinue it, they would have already done so?
In the whole realm of things, don't you think if they were going to discontinue it, they would have already done so?
I tend to think that if they wanted to discontinue, they would have done so already. But the cynical part of me is thinking Apple is waiting until the exact right moment to most effectively crush our hopes and dreams.
It could simply be that the Mac Pro isn't as huge a priority as it used to be, so they're not pushing to get chips early like they normally do.
Exactly. They would have discontinued them in January long before Intel launched the E5 Xeons.
In addition they would be unable to have done a Mac Pro launch along side the iPad 3 launch due to the logistics, they simply wouldn't be able to transport them. Apple were reported to be distorting transportation rates due to the sheer numbers of iPads being shipped.
Assuming that Apple has similar volume of Mac Pro sales to HP Workstation sales, which is highly likely, then it is a highly profitable line for them, particularly as many of the same buyers probably also buy MBPs...