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SigEp265

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Does anyone know of an alternative to Newton mail where you can sync multiple email accounts across device with ONE account? The only one i have seen is Air Mail ... but their reviews are not the best.
 

ksmith80209

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Does anyone know of an alternative to Newton mail where you can sync multiple email accounts across device with ONE account? The only one i have seen is Air Mail ... but their reviews are not the best.

Are you trying to sync settings across apps/devices? Canary syncs setting via iCloud. Still a couple of items that you need to set up but the hard stuff (like accounts) is all done for you.
 

SigEp265

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Are you trying to sync settings across apps/devices? Canary syncs setting via iCloud. Still a couple of items that you need to set up but the hard stuff (like accounts) is all done for you.

If I add one email account to the iMac ... I want it to be automagically be added to the iPhone app. Is this the case with Canary?
 

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I use fastmail.com - have my own domain email managed through it - and it allows adding aliases on my domain in seconds, my gmail, and my fastmail account. It's not free but I've had good experiences with it. Their iOS app isn't terribly great but it works and I've been using it for over half a year now.
 

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I’ve found that Canary > Airmail for me at least. I found Airmail to be super buggy whereas the stuff that is supposed to work on Canary really does work. In fact, I never had luck with the auto-unsubscribe in Newton but in Canary it!s been perfect.
 
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gaanee

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Why is Push notifications not a good idea? Most 3rd party apps store your emails on their servers anyway, isn't it? Or does disabling Push stops storing emails on their servers?
Yes, but using Push with a third party app is not a good idea.
 

Apple_Robert

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Why is Push notifications not a good idea? Most 3rd party apps store your emails on their servers anyway, isn't it? Or does disabling Push stops storing emails on their servers?
When a person uses email push, the email account credentials are then stored by the third party app on whatever server. And even if the credentials are stored encrypted, said person is still putting him or herself at unnecessary risk. Much safer to use fetch.
 

gaanee

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Where is the option for 3rd party apps to choose between Push or Fetch?
I thought the Push/Fetch under Settings -> Mail apply only for the stock Mail app... or is it applicable to 3rd party apps as well?
There is no option for Push/Fetch under Notifications settings.

Also, if you don't enable Push then they don't store your credentials but still store emails on their servers?

Edit: Got it! Push/Fetch option is inside the Canary app, so specific to it. Other 3rd party email apps don't have this option.

When a person uses email push, the email account credentials are then stored by the third party app on whatever server. And even if the credentials are stored encrypted, said person is still putting him or herself at unnecessary risk. Much safer to use fetch.
 
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SigEp265

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What are the main things you are wanting to do on a daily basis with one of these apps, besides what you mentioned with syncing?

I ended up going with Canary based on app reviews. So far so good! I will miss being able to sync all my emails with Android and Windows but this will have to do until I can find an alternative in the future. Thanks again for your help!
 
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Where is the option for 3rd party apps to choose between Push or Fetch?
I thought the Push/Fetch under Settings -> Mail apply only for the stock Mail app... or is it applicable to 3rd party apps as well?
There is no option for Push/Fetch under Notifications settings.

Also, if you don't enable Push then they don't store your credentials but still store emails on their servers?

Edit: Got it! Push/Fetch option is inside the Canary app, so specific to it. Other 3rd party email apps don't have this option.
Push and Fetch options usually apply to most third party apps. If you don''t see a Push / Fetch toggle, a lot of times turning off all notifications for an account will turn off push.
 

ksmith80209

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Where is the option for 3rd party apps to choose between Push or Fetch?
I thought the Push/Fetch under Settings -> Mail apply only for the stock Mail app... or is it applicable to 3rd party apps as well?
There is no option for Push/Fetch under Notifications settings.

Also, if you don't enable Push then they don't store your credentials but still store emails on their servers?

Edit: Got it! Push/Fetch option is inside the Canary app, so specific to it. Other 3rd party email apps don't have this option.
In Canary (iOS), go to Settings, Security & Privacy, and you'll see Notifications Type with options for Push or Fetch. This is from within Canary, no the iOS general settings.

Oops — Saw that you found it!
 
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With as good as Apple mail is (for so many people) in setting up accounts and performing the proverbial basic commands, it amazes me that Apple has been (from the outside looking in) reticent in adding new features that so many other apps are using, and ones that wouldn't compromise security.

I also wish that PGP was more mainstream with apps making it much easier for people to set up a public key and include it in their signature etc. It would be nice to be able to have PGP turned on all the time for all accounts.

Edited to add: In my testing of Airmail and Canary, I have found Canary to be better suited for creating and using templates. The default font, spacing and layout is preserved in Canary. When inputting with Airmail, that isn't always the case, especially with font choice and sizing.

Neither app has the ability to save a particular email account for a template, which I believe should be available.
 
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gaanee

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Push and Fetch options usually apply to most third party apps. If you don''t see a Push / Fetch toggle, a lot of times turning off all notifications for an account will turn off push.
Outlook, Spark, Edison don't have Push/Fetch option within the app, so does it mean that if you enable Notifications (Badge) it's using Push? The app don't seem to mention this. Maybe that's why 3rd party apps seem to be fast with new email notifications while the stock Mail app set on fetch is always slow to notify new email.
In my short testing, I noticed that with Canary set on Fetch and Notifications enabled, it doesn't show the Badge (or it maybe slow just as stock Mail app with Fetch that by the time it shows a badge, you have already been notified by another email app and checked it, so Canary doesn't get any Unread emails)

In Canary (iOS), go to Settings, Security & Privacy, and you'll see Notifications Type with options for Push or Fetch. This is from within Canary, no the iOS general settings.

Oops — Saw that you found it!
Thanks, this will be useful for someone else trying to figure it out.

With as good as Apple mail is (for so many people) in setting up accounts and performing the proverbial basic commands, it amazes me that Apple has been (from the outside looking in) reticent in adding new features that so many other apps are using, and ones that wouldn't compromise security.

I also wish that PGP was more mainstream with apps making it much easier for people to set up a public key and include it in their signature etc. It would be nice to be able to have PGP turned on all the time for all accounts.

Edited to add: In my testing of Airmail and Canary, I have found Canary to be better suited for creating and using templates. The default font, spacing and layout is preserved in Canary. When inputting with Airmail, that isn't always the case, especially with font choice and sizing.

Neither app has the ability to save a particular email account for a template, which I believe should be available.

I get am impression tat Apple tends to provide bare-bones apps - Mail, Calendar, Reminders and hopes that user will buy 3rd-party apps for advanced functionality and in doing so Apple gets 30% cut.
Look at Calendar and Reminders app, it still lacks natural language input which is now becoming fairly standard and Apple doing so much work in machine learning can implement it and also update the UI.
[doublepost=1534307477][/doublepost]Is there any way in the stock Mail app to show all starred emails even going back few years? It only shows past 2-3 starred emails not all whereas most 3rd party apps can show all starred emails by default.
I would like to quickly access important emails from few years back
 

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I get am impression tat Apple tends to provide bare-bones apps - Mail, Calendar, Reminders and hopes that user will buy 3rd-party apps for advanced functionality and in doing so Apple gets 30% cut.
Look at Calendar and Reminders app, it still lacks natural language input which is now becoming fairly standard and Apple doing so much work in machine learning can implement it and also update the UI.

I don't know about this because if Apple truly wanted you to buy third-party apps, they would allow us to change the default mail app on iOS. If you use a third-party and uninstall Apple Mail, click on a mailto link in the browser or in an app, it will tell you reinstall the Apple Mail app because it's the default app. Fantastical did a great job by using Apple Calendar's settings on iOS. But even Reminders has issues because I use Todoist and whenever I tell Siri to add a task to my Todoist, unless I pronounce it as Two-dough-ist, it tries to default add it to Reminders. I just think all the Apple apps need updates and overhauled UIs to make them future-proof.
 

gaanee

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As you gave an example of Todoist, it would be a quite some work for Apple to ensure that all 3rd party apps work flawlessly all the time.
It's not such a challenging task to implement natural language processing in Calendar and Reminders app which both have a limited scope of tasks to do (adding appointments, reminders etc). Since Apple has been doing work on Siri, so they already have all the tools in place, it's just a matter of integrating with Calendar and Reminders app but they haven't done it for years and instead promote Fantastical which costs $50 on the Mac store.


I don't know about this because if Apple truly wanted you to buy third-party apps, they would allow us to change the default mail app on iOS. If you use a third-party and uninstall Apple Mail, click on a mailto link in the browser or in an app, it will tell you reinstall the Apple Mail app because it's the default app. Fantastical did a great job by using Apple Calendar's settings on iOS. But even Reminders has issues because I use Todoist and whenever I tell Siri to add a task to my Todoist, unless I pronounce it as Two-dough-ist, it tries to default add it to Reminders. I just think all the Apple apps need updates and overhauled UIs to make them future-proof.
 

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I am rather surprised that Spark does not offer email templates on Mac or iOS. For a company that is wanting to create the very best email app, I don't see how such a feature is left out. I could use the feature to streamline my email production.
 
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