Installed it on a partition on 2011 macbook pro on Friday, so not had much time to check it out. So far looks really good.
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Am I reading correctly? El Capitan runs very stable?
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I've not used Windows in many years, but Mavericks and Yosemite were horrible in my opinion.
I hated Windows the few times I had to use it, but mind you, I've always used a Mac, since Mac OS 6.0.8
Is there possibly something wrong with your drive/file structure? That many hard shutdowns sounds like their may be something more wrong, but mind you, we all are a diverse group of people who have very different setups and use our Mac's for all different things.
I myself have a Mac Pro (classic design) so I have an SSD + 3TB Storage + 1TB Windows + 5TB Backup drive all internal.
What about a USB hard disk? Does your Mac have USB 3.0? Their pretty cheap altogether, and having a backup is always a good thing. Mind you I use my Mac as a workstation, so backing up is SUPER important to me. My computer pays my rent/bills/food/etc basically. I also have a FW800 Backup drive which I hook up to my Mac once a week.
The last actually solid release in my opinion, was Mountain Lion.
I'm definitely looking forward to beta 2 and even further so the release version.
Just like iOS has been a train wreck for years now, mind you the competition there isn't much better. I've been using iPhone since iOS 1.0.... Never been this unstable as it is nowadays. iOS 6 was fairly solid, iOS 7+ became a mess, same with Mavericks+.... Main difference over at Apple? They canned Forestall. He got a lot of **** but after canning him their software stability goes down the tubes? Jobs kept him for a reason.
Apple maps was a huge mess, but it would have never advanced as fast as it has if he didn't release it early, and also it wouldn't have forced Google to modernize maps on iOS and release their own app.
Let's look forward to iOS 9 and El Capitan hopefully breaking the buggy spell. My iPhone for now though lies on 8.1.2 jailbroken.
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I've had a number of cloud-technology related crashes and bugs that require regular restarts. Battery life leaves something to be desired as well. Just FYI for those looking to run it as a primary system— I'd make a cloned backup just in case you experience enough bugs to make you wish going back to 10.10. But this is an impressively stable DP1. Such stability for number one is really crazy!
Well, as a not so fresh Windows user, I think, Windows is often the most durable OS in OS world, especially from Windows 7.
I use Mac from Yosemite, the time I saw it, I thought, this system was really beautiful, and amazing. And I could use continuity, plus many many features.
Then, after four months use, I think: Mac OS X is not so stable as many others said before.
I am not a pro user, so I have little necessary skills to do in-depth system change to let it meet my need. Therefore, once system goes down, the only thing i can do is reinstall, and yes, a complete clean reinstall, losing everything I stored inside it.
The only reason i want to use external drive equipped with thunderbolt cable is because Macbook air roots a thunderbolt cable, which has almost no value for me. Adding those adapters are costly, and I don't really need them. Of course you know, those external hard disks are really expensive. I often need to use the only two USB ports all the time when Mac is on. You know why I still use that super oversensitive super hard to use Magic mouse rather than buying a decent USB cable mouse? Because Air has ONLY 2 USB ports....
I have crashed El Capitan several minutes ago because I entered "sudo reboot" in terminal, and whole Mac freezes. I can see it freezes because the clock digit never increase. After a hard restart, I use this OS as it was before, again.
I don't know much about this company, but I can sense, current apple is no longer innovative and creative. I don't really understand what Tim Cook is going to do for the future of Apple. Mac OS X is still growing, whilst Windows now is pretty solid, with billions of applications available.
Anyway, I also look forward to this version. I want to use a solid OS, not a buggy yet really unstable Mac OS X, such as Yosemite.
I mostly agree with you, Apple has seriously dropped the ball since Lion's release. What people told you about the infamous OS X stability or experience was referring to OS X before Lion (2011). Before that was Vista on Windows, so compare that to Snow Leopard, Apple was decades ahead with stability. With Lion, quality went downhill quickly afterward. W7 was a very good release but Windows 8 was horrible. I was more pissed by Windows 8 compared to Yosemite, neither were acceptable.
The good news is that it appears both Microsoft and Apple are listening, learning from their past mistakes. Microsoft was faster at Apple for fixing their stuff, which is also unacceptable.
El Cap is an impressive release so far and there are some tiny bugs like the one you saw (make sure to file a radar), it's the most stable beta 1 in several years for me. That's very good news so far, it should get better in the next few months. Apple was doing good releases in the last 5 months with iOS 8.3 and 10.10.3/4 beta/stable releases, so I can tell Apple is finally upping its QA.
Windows 10 is already looking awesome and this is Apple's last chance with El Cap. They need to get a solid release soon because if they screw up now, I'll be telling people to use Windows 10.
I have it installed on my MacBook Air on an external USB 3.0 SSD (Samsung). It runs smoother it seems, but again that could just be because it's a fresh install and I'm not doing much except testing out some of the new things on it. +1 for those pins in Safari for sure.
Just to get things straight, you crashed a DP1 beta by using the terminal and that gave you the sense that Apple is no longer innovative and creative? I don't get it. I also didn't understand the part about external drives and what does that have to do with El Capitan. Also, your previous posts mention constant forced shutting down of the system for some reason which somehow proves Windows is a more durable OS (?) And then, if I got it correctly, you have to do a clean install of the OS? Have you checked if your Mac has some hardware issues, because that doesn't seem normal - Yosemite or not.
English is not my first language, but I'm fairly certain I understand it at a decent level - yet, I am really not sure what you're talking about. My advice is to wait for the final release, do a clean install and wait and see if there are any random system freezes. If there are, I'd have the Mac checked at an authorised retailer or an Apple Store.
BTW, in my experience, even the buggy and problematic Yosemite was more stable than any Windows 7 machine I've used.
If I simply crash this beta, I would not get the conclusion saying Apple is no longer innovative and creative. Plus, I think now they are not so innovative and creative, doesn't mean they lose creativity and innovation once and for all.
I say external drives crashes OS X, because I use a third party software. I can suspect possible compatibility issue with that software. However, if OS is strong enough, it should not become completely unusable after a few times force reboot, due to whatever reason. At this point, Windows is more durable than current Mac OS X. You know Windows has a blue screen, right? Mac OS X don't have it, because when it goes down, you may not realise it before you reboot. In addition, I have checked hardware in local Apple store several times, and staff says nothing strange found on the hardware.
I am also not a native English speaker. And I surely realise this is just a beta software. I know what does this mean for a software under developing progress.
BTW, if Yosemite is so awesome and so stable, why there are still a handful count of companies, institutions and home users use Mac OS X? (I say the situation outside USA) Because what? Windows has extremely strong App support, while Mac software support is still on the way. Windows can be installed on many PC with various configurations, while Mac can only be installed on those handful types of configurations.
Well, if I continue, I am afraid I will lose temper. I will stop in here. However, I will keep my opinion: Mac OS X is NOT so stable as what I imagined before.
First off it's not apples problem that third-party software isn't stable on their OS. That's the developers problem! Secondly this is the first beta of the software and you expect all third-party software to work perfectly? Strange line of thought. There is plenty of information in the world to find out why windows such a popular operating system compared to OS X. It's not necessarily because it's better.
Bottom line is I've never had a Windows machine last more than a year or two max before it started biting the dust regularly. I have an early 2009 MacBook Pro that is running El Capitan perfectly so far. I wonder how windows tenant run on the machine that old?
Bottom line is I've never had a Windows machine last more than a year or two max before it started biting the dust regularly. I have an early 2009 MacBook Pro that is running El Capitan perfectly so far. I wonder how windows tenant run on the machine that old?
Because Microsoft allowed Windows to run on anything starting from the cheapest crappiest computers anyone can afford. And that has nothing to do with the stability of the operating system.
did somebody try mission control with an external display. With Yosemite mission controll was very stuttering with multiple windows open on 3 monitors (2 external and the retina display).
My dreams come true if this stuttering is gone
On older 2011 iMac with Radeon 6750 and 2 displays, MC is mostly fine with transparency disabled. The 512MB VRAM apparently can't handle that. Also, very stuttery when apps use lot of VRAM (FCPX, Photos).
I don't really hate Windows 8, but I also don't like the switches between apps and desktop applications. The experience is somewhat strange.
In fact, if you notice them a little bit deeper, you will see both Windows and Mac OS X are sharing similar or even the same using skills. As you know, Windows 10 introduces notifications centre. This function was added in Mavericks years ago. Now, Windows users and Mac users can both use it to enhance their experience.
Windows 7 introduced split screen Aero gesture years ago. Now Mac OS X El Capitan introduces this as well, although this function is only limited to "true full screen" apps, while Windows can maximise windows for almost any apps able to maximise, and do split screen on them as well.
Windows users can simply hide their task bar to gain full view of their screen. Mac OS X users can hide dock, but before El Capitan, menu bar was unable to hide, for those apps not support "true full screen". Now, Mac users can finally hide everything on the screen, and maximise app windows to full screen even they cannot support "true full screen".
Mac OS X added mission control years ago in Mac, which was one of the coolest features for Mac users. Now, Windows 10 adds Task View, do the similar thing Mac OS X does, and Task View can also be used to close unwanted windows as well, while mission control is still unable to close windows in this view.
There is a major thing Windows is still superior over Mac. This is the application support. During the development of Windows from 1995 to 2015, millions of apps are developed for Windows, while many applications are still not available under Mac. Also, as we all know, Apple starts occupying Chinese market these years. However, tons of applications are completely incompatible under Mac, while Windows runs them well.
However that is why they need to improve stability. Those hardwares are far less powerful than maybe even the lowest end of current generation of Mac, and if OS want to run on those devices, it must be seriously optimised in oder to seriously reduce resource consumption. This includes stability optimisation as well. Therefore if Windows can run smoothly on those crap PC (with visual effects trade-off), they can run on almost any PC existing in the world.
For Mac, they have a relatively higher hardware standard. Would Apple allow Mac OS X run on computers equipped with Intel Atom processor? But Windows can. Therefore even very old Mac is still possible to run Windows smoothly.
Ask google what the best computer to run Windows on is?
And here's the thing. I have a pc from ''08 that in no way could run windows 8 much less windows 10. I have a MacBook of the same year that can handle Yosemite and most likely el Cap.
And here's the thing. I have a pc from ''08 that in no way could run windows 8 much less windows 10. I have a MacBook of the same year that can handle Yosemite and most likely el Cap.
I don't know what you are talking about. OS X has always been rock solid for me. Even Yosemite. It may be slow but hasn't crashed once. Not once.
But that doesn't mean crash is impossible. Maybe your pattern is the best pattern for mac OS X while my pattern could expose the possible bugs inside mac OS X. My Yosemite crashes five times in a single quarter, and I do clean install five times before I upgrade El Capitan.
Therefore, I seriously need apple improve software stability.
Not sure what you are doing to have OS X crash on you. But that simply doesn't happen in most cases. OS X is rock solid.
Maybe I love crashing OS?
Beside that, Windows is much more solid in my point of view.
I hope I can see how solid mac OS X is in this El Capitan.
If you've said rock solid on Snow Leopard I would've concurred. However given the current sad state of OS X, I must ask you to please check your confirmation bias...
Yosemite doesn't necessarily crash, but I have plethora of other issues I haven't had on Mavericks. To amend these I have recently reinstalled Yosemite and it didn't help one bit.
1) Mac fails to wake from sleep (black screen with just the cursor). There are workarounds like closing lid for a minute etc. but in the end it's the reboot that helps. Welcome to XXI century.
2) Typing in launchpad presents no results and there's no text appearing in search field (well, this one was present even in Mavericks). Reboot fixes this issue.
3) While setting up Mac for the first time, you've got to pick keyboard layout. For Polish there are two layouts (Polski and Polski pro). There's no field to test them - I went with Polski. It turns out I wanted Polski pro. I've switched it after setup and changed password, but upon next boot up I discovered that OS X uses keyboard layout you picked during setup on login screen and offers no way to change it (by default, you can change it in settings, AFTER you login - my sides). Now please find me # in this layout: https://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT2841/Polish 2.gif
Just great, I had # in my password. If I haven't had other account with other password I'd probably have to reinstall OS one more time.
These little things are so annoying.. While I like Apple, I can't say that it all just works and is smoooooth.
While Windows is not the most comfortable OS to use (no mission control, no trackpad gestures etc.), saying it's more buggy or less stable then present OS X is just a lie.
Maybe I love crashing OS?
Beside that, Windows is much more solid in my point of view.
It's a free world, you can use Windows if you think it's better. Why do you torture yourself using OS X?
Because OS X does certain works far better than windows. That is the core reason I insist on using OS X, although I still think windows is better overall.It's a free world, you can use Windows if you think it's better. Why do you torture yourself using OS X?
All in all, utilising everything available at hand and maximising the capability is my strategy to use tools, while macosx and windows are both powerful tools.
Oh, I do have this habit to torture myself in some things, such as using a completely new OS.
I guess you've only started to use a Mac recently. If you had more experience using Mac OS in general you would've understood why tricks like full screen apps or splitting the screen work only for compatible apps. The window management in OS X has always been different from Windows because, well, they are two different operating systems.