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Rather than continually adding bloat to iOS and then leaning into resource heavy features of questionable value (AI), how about making the phones and software far more efficient and lean so we can have way better battery life?

The one feature I actually want is WAY better battery life

Was just think about that.

Were in the year 2025, and still battery life is a topic, yes it's gotten better over the years, but not tons better. I thought by now we would have actual 2 day ( 48 hour ) battery life phones, that would get like 14 hours SoT, but nope smartphones are basically still 1 day battery life that need to be juiced up or charged at bedtime.
 
Was just think about that.

Were in the year 2025, and still battery life is a topic, yes it's gotten better over the years, but not tons better. I thought by now we would have actual 2 day ( 48 hour ) battery life phones, that would get like 14 hours SoT, but nope smartphones are basically still 1 day battery life that need to be juiced up or charged at bedtime.

I'm convinced we could have it, if it was prioritized

I have some older iPhones, still on much older iOS versions ... and it's crazy how lighting fast everything is

The problem seems to be iOS bloat and cruft ... and endlessly tacking on new resource hog features

I don't know how else to explain newer/faster/more efficient processors ... and yet no progress on battery life (sometimes the opposite)
 
Rather than continually adding bloat to iOS and then leaning into resource heavy features of questionable value (AI), how about making the phones and software far more efficient and lean so we can have way better battery life?

The one feature I actually want is WAY better battery life
I have experimented a little to see if the battery can last longer. Especially since I rarely use the phone. Perhaps a few minutes per day, on average.

If Bluetooth is turned off, it lasts a bit longer. But it still drops rather quickly on my iPhone 6s.
It is on my main iCloud user address.
But my iPhone 7+ last up to one full week. It is the only product on a separate iCloud user address. The battery size alone can not explain the vast difference.

My conclusion is that the phone constantly communicates with Apple server, or the other Apple hardware, when it is linked to other Apple products.
In my case, iPad and whatever mac I am using.
 
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Honestly, I never really cared about phones very much... Certainly I've never had the level of interest in any phone that I had for various computers I can recall over the last 30-some years.
 
My conclusion is that the phone constantly communicates with Apple server, or the other Apple hardware, when it is linked to other Apple products.
I don't know iPhones well enough to comment. But I certainly have heard that battery life can dramatically improve on an Android phone when the stock Android gets replaced with a privacy respecting OS that isn't constantly getting in contact with Google.
 
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I'm upgrading ever 2x years for two reasons...
1) Camera technology in the iPhones is continuing to evolve - perhaps not exponentially but significantly faster than the rest of the device
2) My company has fantastic deals with the carriers where I can buy a phone, company pays the service monthly and in 2x years the phone is mine and I can sell it for roughly 2x what I paid for it. It's a money making proposition (for me at least)
 
I used to follow and watch the key notes etc, don't care anymore. I have never been one to have the latest phone even when I did follow, I simply am not spending that much money on a phone
 
There isn't much point in upgrading frequently. Look after the phone you have and get the best service out of it and only upgrade when it is absolutely necessary.

Otherwise it's just throwing away money.
 
People laugh at me, but this is exactly why I love my Vision Pro so much. It’s the first new product we’ve had in a long time and every flaw that people pick apart with it just gets me more excited because I get to be there at the ground floor of a new thing and watch all these issues get fixed.
 
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At first I resisted getting a cell phone, I think until 1998. I liked being "out of touch" and left alone.

Fast forward a few years and we started upgrading every year. Now we've been on our XRs and stayed on iOS 17. Things seem to working fine. No plans to upgrade until we have to. I get my dopamine hit in other ways.
 
And why do phones have to be exciting? They work. They do the job.
That's very debateable. One could say why does a wife or girlfreind have to be exciting, as one could find a most unexciting, dull partner. But I know which I prefer.....
Regarding iPhones, I have a hand-me-down 6S and still love it, because it's cheap & for me still remains exciting.
 
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I used to always be excited for a new phone to be released. For me now, with how much is strongly dislike the current phone design (flat sides, sharp edges) I am no longer excited, in fact I cringe every time a new phone releases such as with the S25 series yesterday with the current design.

I will get excited about phones again when rounded sides return. As of now the current design is preventing me from buying another phone (I'm voting with my wallet) and can end up saving me money.
 
In my case I've been fooling around with Android for a while precisely because the iPhone, being a very good phone... bores me.

I like the Apple ecosystem and generally feel comfortable in it, but over the last two years I've realized that Android... is not so bad. In fact, it has things iOS can't even dream of, like the clipboard and far superior multitasking management.

I like both the Pixel and the Galaxy Fold. And I love the Fold's form factor and it's addictive to use it. I've seen that there are more "exciting" things that work just as well, though not in the same way as the iPhone.

I guess whoever is in another brand, whether it's Pixel or Samsung, for example, feels the same feeling as Apple fans with the iPhone, in the end smartphones are a fairly mature market and innovation comes with droppers (either due to technical limitations or pure greed of companies). But having both systems seems pretty entertaining and fun, as well as moving away from fanaticism that leads nowhere.
 
I'm convinced we could have it, if it was prioritized

I have some older iPhones, still on much older iOS versions ... and it's crazy how lighting fast everything is

The problem seems to be iOS bloat and cruft ... and endlessly tacking on new resource hog features

I don't know how else to explain newer/faster/more efficient processors ... and yet no progress on battery life (sometimes the opposite)
To this day, the fastest iPhone experience I've had is iPhone 5 on iOS 6.

It's funny that my iPhone 8 is orders of magnitude more powerful than the 3GS, yet the 8 is slower at this like typing letters into a message -- how did it get so bad with so much more powerful hardware?

It's never been the same since all the animation input-blocking delays introduced in 7 (and they were baaaad in 7.0). Even the latest iPhone 16 Pro still requires me to repeat inputs all the time. I ended up returning it because it still feels slow.

I'm tempted to go Android next because they let you disable it and holy smokes does it feel fast. Having the device actually just respond to every input and be ready for the next instantly -- why can't we have that on iOS?
 
I guess it's been 10 years or more since I was "excited" for a phone. I went from 4 to 5s to 6 to SE 2016 to SE 2020, and now I've got a 16 Pro, which I got for "free" from my employer.

The new one is nice. It's fast. You can play actual "games" on it, not that I do. Its battery lasts forever, which is neat. However it still dies when you refuse to charge it. 🙄 Always on display really is great imho. It makes great photos, really, not that I take a lot of photos (must be my face or something). You can even somewhat comfortably consume content on it, browse the web and even answer emails somewhat painless. Except my iPad does all of this 10 times better.

The problem is: it's also a chonker, it feels decadent to the point that I can't bear it, my trumpy hands can't wield it, I for the love of god hate face ID with a burning passion .... and yesterday I bought a basically "new" SE 2016 as my second phone when on the go. I, for all the wrong reasons (I guess?), am "excited" for this one.

I realise that I am a "niche" crowd. I simply want a phone. That plays nice with my AirPods, which I love, and my Mac, which has become a dear friend to me. Just a phone. Please. So, no, I'm not excited for new phones. Because they do all the stuff I don't need, and get ever more expensive, heavy and big.

And no, I'm not that old.
I’m on the same path… I gifted my 15 pro max last year to my daughter and bought all 4 colors of the SE 1 (2016) new and have been rotating those now for over a year. Absolutely love them. Just as phones and basic email and messaging, plus Apple Pay and banking apps and the necessary apps like Uber etc. keep them very light without any non critical apps. At home I have an iPad mini for the rest.
The 5s and consequently the SE1 was peak Apple as far as design imo. And 114 grams.
 
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That's very debateable. One could say why does a wife or girlfreind have to be exciting, as one could find a most unexciting, dull partner. But I know which I prefer.....
Regarding iPhones, I have a hand-me-down 6S and still love it, because it's cheap & for me still remains exciting.
That is an absolutely awful comparison.
A human being is not a phone.
 
I have never been truly eager to get a new phone. My first cellphone I got because my employer at the time insisted. That phone was a red Samsung flip phone—neat little thing I rather liked and it was fine at the time. I then upgraded to an
My relative still uses probably the very same model. The phone is >10 years old but works good, battery holds charge etc. I kid you not! How that is possible, it’s beyond my comprehension.
 
Actually goes both ways: keep increasing software demands so you have to upgrade hardware.

Is there really any software these days with inadequate functionality? There is however an abundance of needless features, and long running bugs.
 
It used to be an incredibly exciting area of technology. An exciting place even before the iPhone, with Nokia, Sony-Ericsson, BlackBerry, Palm, and Samsung competing with each other. The iPhone changed everything though.

Not many realise that we witnessed the next revolution in personal computing with the introduction of the iPhone. The iPhone changed the world in so many ways. It was so exciting when it came out. Remember when having 3G was exciting in iPhone 3G? When the iPhone 4 got leaked, it was huge! Its design, coupled with the retina screen felt like future. Text looked like saturated, high quality print, it was unbelievably good. Everything felt so new, unfamiliar, fresh, and unusual.

Nowadays, a smartphone is a commodity device, just like your PC, laptop, microwave, and the toaster. Even the latest flagship is like "yea, OK, whatever". It's the same with all technology, we get used to it. I was blown away by 16-bit consoles, then 32-bit ones. When I first saw the original PlayStation I was astounded by it, shocked. Amazed with the PS2 too. PS3, PS4, and the rest... meh, even though the hardware, the graphics and everything got much better.

I believe there are several reasons for why smartphones are boring now. First of all, it's been 18 years since the iPhone got introduced, it's very well established technology now. I think we have reached the peak smartphone in terms of form factor and in terms of what a human needs. The size is pretty much maxed out, bezels are so thin that it does not matter anymore, the screen has a resolution where it is sharp enough for anyone, and the processing power has long overtaken an average user's needs. There are still advancements, smartphones are getting faster, but it does not matter, because consumers are at a point of good enough, capabilities overtake requirements.

Smartphone cameras were the last exciting part about them, but that has stagnated too. Barely any difference in quality. A 3-4 year old smartphone will easily take nice photos and video. Even the Chinese camera flagships with their 1"-type sensors did not prove to be much better than what Apple, Samsung, and Google offer. In fact, often times iPhones, Pixels, and Galaxies win in the camera comparisons. Smartphone cameras have reached the peak, and unless there is some sort of a new innovation, a revolution, this is pretty much it.

Flagship smartphone hardware is at a point where makers have to artificially hold things back. For example, Samsung released their S25 flagship series, and the base S25 still has 128GB storage, so they can price gauge for 256GB. They did not upgrade the camera hardware. Once the water rises around them, and they have to go to 256GB storage as base, there will be nothing much they can add to hardware.

There is still some areas that they could innovate on, for example two USB Type-C ports, a fingerprint sensors in the power button, they could upgrade cameras to 1"-type sensor, bigger ultrawide, bigger periscope, etc. but it's nothing revolutionary. I am not very excited with foldables and other form factors.

That brings us to software. Modern flagship smartphones are as powerful as a laptop, but there is nothing to take advantage of that power. How excited are you about opening up Instagram 0.25 seconds faster than before? The next step in the smartphone evolution is the addition of a desktop mode, and your smartphone acting as your PC. They are at the doorstep of truly becoming the "everything device", but I believe they are being artificially held back.

If Apple does it and they add a real desktop mode to iPhones, they will cannibalise Macs, so they are holding back. Google simply does not seem to be capable of executing it. And Microsoft exited the smartphone business.

Everyone is playing it safe and they are all focusing on selling investors on the "AI", which I am not very excited for myself.

Even if they added a desktop mode, I don't know how exciting it would be, it's still a very familiar commodity device.
 
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I'm convinced we could have it, if it was prioritized

I have some older iPhones, still on much older iOS versions ... and it's crazy how lighting fast everything is

The problem seems to be iOS bloat and cruft ... and endlessly tacking on new resource hog features

I don't know how else to explain newer/faster/more efficient processors ... and yet no progress on battery life (sometimes the opposite)

One of the things I love about the DeepSeek saga is the extent to which the DeepSeek team optimized everything about their model to run as fast as possible. That's part of why their API is so cheap and fast vs. other companies hosting DeepSeek's models.

Because for me it's an undeniable validation of the complaints "old head" programmers have about modern software development: there's a ton of bloat, bad practices, and antipatterns. The extremely limited capabilities of early computer hardware meant you had to get creative in your software architecture and every single minutiae had to be optimized. Similarly the DeepSeek team were really limited in their resources vs. American companies so that forced them to get creative and optimize everything. Some of the memory optimizations they did are causing people to freak out because they're so unorthodox in this day and age.

iPhones (and iOS as a consequence) are faster than every before, sure, but that's just because the hardware is getting better. There's absolutely a ton of bloat and memory leak issues in the software. I regularly run into annoying bugs and issues on my iPhone, iPad, and Mac that seem like they're side effects of poor stability. I have bugs that have been around for years and separate from that I have problems with apps that everyone hates like the macOS Music app which is sometimes so slow and unresponsive I could probably go to a record store and buy vinyl in the time it takes for some pages to load.

I have to reboot my Mac every few days if I want the file system to work correctly for some folders with tons of files. Tags go missing, sometimes tags don't work at all, etc. If Apple's software presented problems 2% of the time a decade ago and now they're at 4%, it may not sound like much vs. other platforms but Apple set the bar themselves for exceptional quality and now they're failing to live up to that standard. Doubling your error rate even if your rate is still 'small' in the grand scheme of things is still doubling your error rate.
 
Was just think about that.

Were in the year 2025, and still battery life is a topic, yes it's gotten better over the years, but not tons better. I thought by now we would have actual 2 day ( 48 hour ) battery life phones, that would get like 14 hours SoT, but nope smartphones are basically still 1 day battery life that need to be juiced up or charged at bedtime.
My A34 last two days with moderate use.
 
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