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Raist3001

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Can't say I understand the eye issues some people experience. I run my phones a little bit less then half brightness. I don't need my phone running in torch mode.
 
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Stuey3D

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Can't say I understand the eye issues some people experience. I run my phones and a little bit less then half brightness. I don't need my phone running in torch mode.
the problem occurs when the OLED iPhones are at low brightness thats the issue.

To simulate a dimmed screen the OLED flashes at full brightness which is called PWM the lower the brightness the more harsh the effect as if I recall correctly it flashes at a lower frequency which is the problem people suffer with.
 

raylo32

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Similar to how my motorcycle aux LED lights work, brightness is controlled by frequency.
 

kre62

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Yet another purchase justification thread. My view is the XR is old tech for a steep price and so it’s in fact not the bargain people rave about. It’s 2018 - you really want 720p LCD with pronounced bezels? Common man!

Old tech huh. You judge based on display alone? So if you hook up a supercomputer to a 1080p screen the computer is now old tech?

The tech is brilliant in the XR. The A12 is the fastest chip out. Also, the screen is way higher res than 720p. Also, it doesnt matter for this small of a screen. Also, OLED has way too many shortcomings to be considered good tech.
 

scubatopy

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Yet another purchase justification thread. My view is the XR is old tech for a steep price and so it’s in fact not the bargain people rave about. It’s 2018 - you really want 720p LCD with pronounced bezels? Common man!
The real question is whether you want a phone with color shift, black smear, screen flicker , black crush , dimmer , unevenly lit , cooler around the edges , burn in, grain or noise on low brightness, eye strain, longevity issues, just because this is the TOPPPPPP . Or alternatively you use your own brain and select the most appropriate for human beings.
 

Stuey3D

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Yet another purchase justification thread. My view is the XR is old tech for a steep price and so it’s in fact not the bargain people rave about. It’s 2018 - you really want 720p LCD with pronounced bezels? Common man!
I want a phone that doesn’t screw with my eyes, so yup I’m switching back to an LCD soon as I can.
 

Stuey3D

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Exactly! I see a lot more "justification" threads defending OLED no matter how many of us are happy with LCD.
What makes me laugh is that I’ve not purchased it yet which I’ve made clear in multiple replies, this was just stating my opinions what I could see when I compared them in the store. So it’s hardly a purchase justification thread. I was just curious to see if anyone else had the same view as me when seeing both together.

I was always going to switch for the battery life and the base camera upgrades and the bigger screen, but I may have been put off if the screen was terrible (which I knew deep down it wouldn’t be) so seeing it and comparing it in person to my X has just reaffirmed that I’m making the right decision. Especially when I saw them both together at Max brightness and the XR feeling easier to look at.
 

Broadus

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What makes me laugh is that I’ve not purchased it yet which I’ve made clear in multiple replies, this was just stating my opinions what I could see when I compared them in the store. So it’s hardly a purchase justification thread. I was just curious to see if anyone else had the same view as me when seeing both together.

I was always going to switch for the battery life and the base camera upgrades and the bigger screen, but I may have been put off if the screen was terrible (which I knew deep down it wouldn’t be) so seeing it and comparing it in person to my X has just reaffirmed that I’m making the right decision. Especially when I saw them both together at Max brightness and the XR feeling easier to look at.

Surely you don’t expect drive-by “I know more than everyone else” people to actually read the thread, do you? ;)
 

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The absolute b*****x i have read in this thread about Oled is a laugh. Especially the yellow claims. I have had a XR alongside my Max and the “whites” look dull in comparison to my Max. The contrast is brilliant against the total black text. As for colour shift when looking at a angle i get a very slight change but the XR gives a washed out appearance.

I watch a lot of HDR 1080p60fps videos and the oled is absolutely stunning to watch and for me i could never go back to a LCD. That said, the screen is actually nice on the XR and will satisfy a lot of people but it’s not for me.
 
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raylo32

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I hear you, but as I just posted in another thread I have seen both. One XS on display at the local Best Buy was just as you describe. Stunning contrast, white white white background and sharp text. Then I saw a coworkers's XS today and my 6S display looked way better... with sharper text, brighter, and whiter background than the XS's dim yellow fuzzy appearance (with similar settings). If I go XS or Max I will have to look at the one I buy ahead of time.

The absolute b*****x i have read in this thread about Oled is a laugh. Especially the yellow claims. I have had a XR alongside my Max and the “whites” look dull in comparison to my Max. The contrast is brilliant against the total black text. As for colour shift when looking at a angle i get a very slight change but the XR gives a washed out appearance.

I watch a lot of HDR 1080p60fps videos and the oled is absolutely stunning to watch and for me i could never go back to a LCD. That said, the screen is actually nice on the XR and will satisfy a lot of people but it’s not for me.
 

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I hear you, but as I just posted in another thread I have seen both. One XS on display at the local Best Buy was just as you describe. Stunning contrast, white white white background and sharp text. Then I saw a coworkers's XS today and my 6S display looked way better... with sharper text, brighter, and whiter background than the XS's dim yellow fuzzy appearance (with similar settings). If I go XS or Max I will have to look at the one I buy ahead of time.

He must have had that stupid true tone on or something wrong with it but i have seen a xs. I have owned every iphone since the 3g and to date my max has the best screen i have ever seen on any phone, especially when watching HDR content. I also own a Note 9 and the screen on my max is better than it which surprised me. The whites on the Note compared to my max look kinda dull greyish.
 

raylo32

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I tried his XS with and without Tru Tone. Turning it off helped but the 6s was still better. Sorry, just the way it was.

He must have had that stupid true tone on or something wrong with it. I have owned every iphone since the 3g and to date my max has the best screen i have ever seen on any phone, especially when watching HDR content. I also own a Note 9 and the screen on my max is better than it which surprised me. The whites on the Note compared to my max look kinda dull greyish.
 

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Most people who claim they are picky about displays aren’t actually being that picky, they aren’t paying enough attention to the problems with OLED, they are mostly talking about surface-level easy stuff like resolution and contrast. They are like PC gamers; only resolution and paper specs matter. There are real, serious problems with OLED that make them unusable to the high end AV crowd, major unfixed issues like black crush and black smear (so much for those awesome blacks eh?), then we get into color shift, burn-in, PWM, and everything else.

LCDs aren’t without their issues either, with white balance unevenness, backlight showing, shimmer, and still too high response time (blur) being the drawbacks. But it’s still the winner for best all-around display tech of today. Black crush loses actual detail in the displayed image (Apple tries to fix this with dithering), which makes OLED a non-starter for anyone deeply serious about content.

And lastly, the decision to use the resolution they did in the XR was very likely about battery life; a decision I am more than pleased with. Absolutely solid display with outstanding all-day-and-then-some battery life.

More b*****x . I’m a perfectionist and i see more disadvantages with a lcd screen than an oled. If your theory was correct about the “pickiness” i would be saying the lcd would be as good as OLED. As for blackcrush i find the Samsung Galaxy’s had some of that aswell as other Android phones. The Iphones OLED screens have hardly any blackcrush that’s noticable.
 

kre62

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More b*****x . I’m a perfectionist and i see more disadvantages with a lcd screen than an oled. If your theory was correct about the “pickiness” i would be saying the lcd would be as good as OLED. As for blackcrush i find the Samsung Galaxy’s had some of that aswell as other Android phones. The Iphones OLED screens have hardly any blackcrush that’s noticable.

Dude stoked for you that you got one of the good units. It’s a lot harder this year to get a good OLED than a good LCD. But just because you got a good one doesn’t mean there aren’t serious issues with the bad ones.
 
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Dude stoked for you that you got one of the good units. It’s a lot harder this year to get a good OLED than a good LCD. But just because you got a good one doesn’t mean there aren’t serious issues with the bad ones.

Maybe you’re right but i’ll hold judgement until i look at some in a phone shop maybe this weekend to see if there’s any difference. If there is i’ll report back with my hands up if they’re bad.
 

Jetcat3

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I was just involved in another thread where a member was saying the XR display is ‘unacceptable’, ultimately, I don’t believe that to be true. I think the XR display is more than adequate, and some are under the impression that it should be an OLED panel, when plenty of other members really can’t even see major differences between the LCD and OLED display.

The most important factors about the XR display is that it’s vibrant and the colors are accurate, to me, that’s what the consumer cares about.

Still unacceptable at the price point.
 

Shanghaichica

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the problem occurs when the OLED iPhones are at low brightness thats the issue.

To simulate a dimmed screen the OLED flashes at full brightness which is called PWM the lower the brightness the more harsh the effect as if I recall correctly it flashes at a lower frequency which is the problem people suffer with.
But this doesn’t effect everyone. Some people are sensitive and others not.
 

Micky 32

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But this doesn’t effect everyone. Some people are sensitive and others not.

I found something interesting, especially on youtube. If you see a video reviewing a XR or a Max you see lots of comment about this pulse modulation or whatever it’s called. But if you go on a android review video for Note 9’s, S9+, Pixels, op6’s you hardly see any comments complaining about this elusive flicker... weird...
 
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