iPhone XR Am I the only one who prefers the XR screen over the X/XS?

[Stuey3D]

look guys lets play nice, I only created this thread to show what I personally found when comparing the devices and I wanted to see if I was the only one who saw it that way.

With regards to PWM I didnt realise it was a thing until recently but it explains the symptoms I've been having the last few months perfectly, the wife doesn't have any issues at all so I'm not saying everyone suffers from it.

To my eyes when at maximum brightness the XR seemed easier on the eyes than my X and the XS in store and it didn't seem any dimmer.

With regards to the Max I could afford it however for my usage case I couldn't justify the extra £450 (256GB Max vs 128GB XR) however someone who consumes lots of media on it probably could justify the cost, personally I tend to watch movies and stuff at home on the big TV and surround sound. Saying that though I did watch Star Trek Discovery on the iPhone X and it looked very nice, but I honestly don't think it would be a huge amount worse on the XR

 

[Mackinjosh]

This guy made a couple videos mocking the XR prior to release. Now he's gone and sold his XS Max and Note 9 because of how much he prefers the XR:

 

[davedvdy]

Spot on, which is why I wonder why people fight over screens. It all sucks compared to an hd tv so who cares?

You fight over screens in every thread, so clearly you do care. You call OLED a "dumpster fire" when nearly all of
the best and/or most popular smartphone companies use it in their flagship phones (Apple, Samsung, Huawei, Google, Sony, etc). You seem to think you know more than the best Companies, apparently. As stated, you cited Nilay as your evidence, and he was completely opposed to your opinion on OLED being a "trash tech" and prefers it in the Apple iPhone too.

Btw, calling Apple's display a "B rated Samsung display" is the equivalent of calling an iPhone a Foxconn phone. Rene Ritchie dispels that flawed logic.

 

[purged]

Hmm.

 

[Stuey3D]

There isn’t that much difference between most iPhones running the same version of iOS, you get the same broad experience. Some of thr hardware features are better like camera and screen etc but for basic tasks like email, text, making calls, using apps etc it’s more or less the same experience whether you have an SE or a Xs max.

Oh I concur, to be honest I didn’t notice much in the way of useablity between my 6S+ and my X, they both felt about the same to use in terms of speed etc. I actually miss the larger screen of my 6S+ but I like Face ID and the gestures (which when you receive a call whilst using sat nav is a godsend, a quick flick and sat nav is back up) so that’s why I am getting an XR.

For me battery life is king and the XR does everything I’ll want it to do so I’ll save £450 over the Max.

Saying that some people consume a crap ton of movies on their phones and for them the Max is the king.

 

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[Gudi]

Yes, for some reason the PWM issue is being exaggerated when it comes to the XR vs XS/Max. I know loads of people with Androids with OLEDs and i have never heard of a PWM complaint.

I’ve never heard complains about not so deep black levels on iPhones with LCDs either. It only becomes an issue when you directly compare both screen technologies. From what I’ve heard people disliked top and bottom bezels long before there was a phone with a notch. And they hated the price of the iPhone X right from the start a whole year in advance of the XR. So these are the real issues, form factor and price.

 

[Raist3001]

the problem occurs when the OLED iPhones are at low brightness thats the issue.

To simulate a dimmed screen the OLED flashes at full brightness which is called PWM the lower the brightness the more harsh the effect as if I recall correctly it flashes at a lower frequency which is the problem people suffer with.

Thanks for that explanation. Real bummer that this can affect folks. I can see why the XR would be a better choice.

 

[raylo32]

A lot of what drives these debates, too, are ever escalating smartphone prices that are doing the exact opposite of prices for electronics in general. There is an oligopoly of major vendors driving the trend, led by Apple. One could almost say that there is pricing collusion. They know we need these devices and they are going to jack the prices as much as they can. When you need to spend $750 even on an "entry level" phone people are gonna research and debate the choices.... and maybe end up with buyer's remorse.

I’ve never heard complains about not so deep black levels on iPhones with LCDs either. It only becomes an issue when you directly compare both screen technologies. From what I’ve heard people disliked top and bottom bezels long before there was a phone with a notch. And they hated the price of the iPhone X right from the start a whole year in advance of the XR. So these are the real issues, form factor and price.

 

[Broadus]

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This guy made a couple videos mocking the XR prior to release. Now he's gone and sold his XS Max and Note 9 because of how much he prefers the XR:

Thanks for posting that. What he said is what I experienced when I made my comparisons, and when I would see posts to the contrary here, I would doubt what I had seen with my own eyes and return to the store and compare again, only to find my initial observations confirmed.

I really like the XR. It does all I want and more. It’s not cheap, but I can justify its cost. I’ve had two phones since 2011, a 4S and a 6s, and I expect to have the XR for a while. And, yes, the screen is fine.

 

[Stuey3D]

Thanks for posting that. What he said is what I experienced when I made my comparisons, and when I would see posts to the contrary here, I would doubt what I had seen with my own eyes and return to the store and compare again, only to find my initial observations confirmed.

I really like the XR. It does all I want and more. It’s not cheap, but I can justify its cost. I’ve had two phones since 2011, a 4S and a 6s, and I expect to have the XR for a while. And, yes, the screen is fine.

I agree with you on that one, this was the 2nd time I’ve been in the store and preferred the XR screen when techincally it should be the inferior screen, I started doubting my own judgement. The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone agreed with me or if it was my eyes being wonky or something.

 

[Mackinjosh]

I agree with you on that one, this was the 2nd time I’ve been in the store and preferred the XR screen when techincally it should be the inferior screen, I started doubting my own judgement. The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone agreed with me or if it was my eyes being wonky or something.

OLED isn't for everyone. I've said in prior threads that I moved from Samsung OLED screens back to iPhone because the colors on OLED are cartoonish to me. They're so bad that they actually hurt my eyes and if given the choice in some games, I have to choose the most muted color schemes in order to play comfortably. I don't have that problem on LCD. So yeah, the screen on the 8+ and XR look infinitely better to me than the screen on the X, XS, and Max.

 

[cornerexit]

I agree with you on that one, this was the 2nd time I’ve been in the store and preferred the XR screen when techincally it should be the inferior screen, I started doubting my own judgement. The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone agreed with me or if it was my eyes being wonky or something.

Spec sheets or stat humping is the never the way to buy anything. I've ridden motorcycles or driven cars, when making buying decisions, and many times chose the lesser stat/spec sheet model because the package, or sum of the parts, was overall better to me.

It is much easier to sit at home, on the internet, and point the finger. It actually takes effort to drive some place, compare, or try something and do your own evaluation. Reviews are great, so are fellow consumers opinions, but nothing beats the old test drive yourself. The spec sheet deal many times isn't the one you buy.

 

[NorthSeaBeach]

They had a 750p screen in the 6/7/8 standard phones and that was good enough for 326PPI.

Personally I only believe they put a 1080p screen in over a 8-900p (whichever 2x retina would've been) was as a selling point on paper rather than a usability thing and they didnt have the tech or it would've been cost prohibitive to put a 3x retina display in .

The old plus series used to have to render everything at 3x retina then downscale to the 1080p screen and if I recall correctly the original 6 performed better than the 6+ because of that, which was then fixed in later phones by clocking the SOC slightly higher and adding more RAM. Then there is the odd weird graphics artefacts that people noticed when watching a native 1080p video then bringing interface elements up (something I forget if its the video or the interface) went blurry for a second or so according to reports either way the 1080p didnt fit Apples retina scheme exactly and was shoehorned in.

Thats why I think the XR makes sense as its a simple 2x of the same base resolution as the Max which is 3x which means devs dont have to create apps for 3 different resolution systems and it allows Apple to use less RAM for the same performance which saves money on building the thing.


As for the price thing, all the iPhones this year are significantly overpriced the XR should've been around £600-650 the XS should be £750 and the XS Max should be £850, but Apple likes them some profits so thats the way things are unfortunately.

For me if I could stand to use Android I'd get a OnePlus for value for money, but I really dont like android. I have a works Samsung thing and its not very nice at all to use.
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Well clearly not as there is a post above yours saying they prefer the XR screen too.

Well, I just returned my 128 Gb Xr and bought a mint second hand 256Gb 8 plus for €600. I loved everthing about the Xr, but the screen clarity is definitely not on par with the 7 plus and 8 plus. And since I read a lot on my phone, screen clarity to me is paramount. Much happier now.

 

[Broadus]

Well, I just returned my 128 Gb Xr and bought a mint second hand 256Gb 8 plus for €600. I loved everthing about the Xr, but the screen clarity is definitely not on par with the 7 plus and 8 plus. And since I read a lot on my phone, screen clarity to me is paramount. Much happier now.

Hope it works well for you. There is only one person you have to please with your choice, and that is certainly not a bunch of faceless forumites, me included.

 

[Dario69]

Oh I concur, to be honest I didn’t notice much in the way of useablity between my 6S+ and my X, they both felt about the same to use in terms of speed etc. I actually miss the larger screen of my 6S+ but I like Face ID and the gestures (which when you receive a call whilst using sat nav is a godsend, a quick flick and sat nav is back up) so that’s why I am getting an XR.

For me battery life is king and the XR does everything I’ll want it to do so I’ll save £450 over the Max.

Saying that some people consume a crap ton of movies on their phones and for them the Max is the king.

Thanks Stuey3D for this thread. I didn’t need more justification for the XR but the unbias feedback and additional information you and others provided (troll not included) has helped form some good arguments on the pros and cons of display. And also thanks for the technical talk on the scaling and software tricks used on the Plus models. I Read about this earlier on but this is a good primer again. It explains some things I see on the 8Plus versus my 7 in regards to video.

My bias is I feel like OLED is overpriced and overrated, but I thank Samsung for forming this bias years ago and continued with their Galaxy line. I like how the battery savings argument has finally been shown as the scam that it is too. I am sure Apple did their best calibrating their screens but it is and always will be a cash grab until something better comes around.

If you like OLED and it doesn’t mess with your eyes and head, great for you. But don’t try to sell us that it is the second coming of the best screen technology out there. It isn’t. It’s a choice, so enjoy your choice since you paid more for it and stop knocking others because they wanted to save their health (and money) for a choice that isn’t that much different from yours.

 

[Stuey3D]

Thanks Stuey3D for this thread. I didn’t need more justification for the XR but the unbias feedback and additional information you and others provided (troll not included) has helped form some good arguments on the pros and cons of display. And also thanks for the technical talk on the scaling and software tricks used on the Plus models. I Read about this earlier on but this is a good primer again. It explains some things I see on the 8Plus versus my 7 in regards to video.

My bias is I feel like OLED is overpriced and overrated, but I thank Samsung for forming this bias years ago and continued with their Galaxy line. I like how the battery savings argument has finally been shown as the scam that it is too. I am sure Apple did their best calibrating their screens but it is and always will be a cash grab until something better comes around.

If you like OLED and it doesn’t mess with your eyes and head, great for you. But don’t try to sell us that it is the second coming of the best screen technology out there. It isn’t. It’s a choice, so enjoy your choice since you paid more for it and stop knocking others because they wanted to save their health (and money) for a choice that isn’t that much different from yours.

No problems glad it was helpful and informative.

With regards to battery savings on OLED I have two words for you: DARK MODE!

If apple could be bothered to create a nice dark iOS then not only will it really highlight OLED’s strengths over LCD but it would save battery and potentially be easier on the eyes in dark environments.

 

[Act3]

LCD screens are also everywhere, most likely your laptop or desktop screen is LCD, most TV's people watch are LCD . Not sure the big push for OLED on such small devices . I guess cause the small device (phone) is much cheaper to put them on, hence the latest iPad pro is still LCD. And the best tablet display out there.

 

[44267547]

LCD screens are also everywhere, most likely your laptop or desktop screen is LCD, most TV's people watch are LCD . Not sure the big push for OLED on such small devices . I guess cause the small device (phone) is much cheaper to put them on, hence the latest iPad pro is still LCD. And the best tablet display out there.

One of the reasons OLED is not on the iPad, it’s because of the manufacturing yield constraints, I don’t think Apple has the necessary suppliers for OLED on the iPad, similarly to how Samsung was the only one that could meet the demands for the iPhone until recently, LG was named as a second supplier for the iPhone in addition. I don’t think it’s by ‘choice ‘LCD is here because Apple believes that that’s the best display for the iPad, it’s also partially because they don’t have the necessary suppliers.

 

[Stuey3D]

One of the reasons OLED is not on the iPad, it’s because of the manufacturing yield constraints, I don’t think Apple has the necessary suppliers for OLED on the iPad, similarly to how Samsung was the only one that could meet the demands for the iPhone until recently, LG was named as a second supplier for the iPhone in addition. I don’t think it’s by ‘choice ‘LCD is here because Apple believes that that’s the best display for the iPad, it’s also partially because they don’t have the necessary suppliers.

Let’s face it all this OLED vs LCD talk is just a stepping stone until Apple can implement Micro LED.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/appl...ested-for-a-future-iphone-or-apple-watch/amp/


I just pray to god it doesn’t use PWM for dimming.

 

[44267547]

Let’s face it all this OLED vs LCD talk is just a stepping stone until Apple can implement Micro LED.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/appl...ested-for-a-future-iphone-or-apple-watch/amp/


I just pray to god it doesn’t use PWM for dimming.

Micro LED is definitely coming, and it’s been rumored many times Apple has been experimenting with It. Apple actually purchased a company back in 2014 that produces Micro-Led known as Luxeview. The benefits with micro LED is huge, less power draw, (which results in greater battery length), increased resolution and it is significantly brighter over OLED.

 

[kre62]

Let’s face it all this OLED vs LCD talk is just a stepping stone until Apple can implement Micro LED.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/appl...ested-for-a-future-iphone-or-apple-watch/amp/


I just pray to god it doesn’t use PWM for dimming.

It won’t. Micro led is the tech we all deserve and is the real next gen display tech. OLED is cheap trash bridge tech that apple refused to use for years but ended up having to as mLED isn’t ready yet.

 

[Stuey3D]

It won’t. Micro led is the tech we all deserve and is the real next gen display tech. OLED is cheap trash bridge tech that apple refused to use for years but ended up having to as mLED isn’t ready yet.

Well hopefully my XR (when I get it) will last me until Micro LED iPhones are a thing.

That is unless Apple charge £1500 for a base model, then no matter how good the phone is they can shove it!

Thing is I am joking but also a little worried that this will be the reality given current pricing trends from Apple.

 

[Act3]

Well hopefully my XR (when I get it) will last me until Micro LED iPhones are a thing.

That is unless Apple charge £1500 for a base model, then no matter how good the phone is they can shove it!

Thing is I am joking but also a little worried that this will be the reality given current pricing trends from Apple.

I think they will have to eventually lower prices to continue sales especially if they cannot add must have features. Look at the price of 4K TV's now that more and more people have them. Same with desktops, laptops, video game consoles, etc. Price drops once the tech gets flat and everyone has them. Look at how much pocket calculators cost before they matured.

 

[MacLappy]

Noticing a pattern, iPhone XR basher sings praises of iPhone XR after using it.