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AMD Confirms RX 480 At $199 USD, Other APU & Polaris Announcements

Well, a Fury X shouldn't be anywhere close to a margin of error around a GTX 970, it has to be way faster.

I'd also love to see the DirectX domination to be broken, but I don't think releasing crappy OpenGL drivers is the best way to achieve that. It's a little too early to ignore OpenGL, Doom is just the 2nd (or 3rd?) Vulkan game.
 
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Fl0r!an said:
Well, a Fury X shouldn't be anywhere close to a margin of error around a GTX 970, it has to be way faster.

I'd also love to see the DirectX domination to be broken, but I don't think releasing crappy OpenGL drivers is the best way to achieve that. It's a little too early to ignore OpenGL, Doom is just the 2nd (or 3rd?) Vulkan game.
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Officially the first 'proper' Vulkan game. Even more importantly Vulkan would replace OpenGL in pro apps.
 
Vulkan is cross platform, supported by AMD, nVidia and other companies, and it could be ported to any OS and aren't forced to use Windows 10 (yuck).

So in other words, it's a replacement for OpenGL, but it could also work in OS X unlike DX12. Vulkan devs are urging all 3D developers to use Vulkan instead of DX12 and Microsoft is nervous.

If Vulkan also comes to OS X (it already is in Beta) and if game devs see OS X as a decent platform for their apps, we might see serious support from AMD and nVidia under OS X, so using these cards aren't a "hobby" any more.

The problem is Apple discontinued and killed the PCIe Mac Pros, so people will be stuck with using eGPUs, which I'm hoping forces nVidia/AMD to take it seriously.
 
Which Mac(s) would the RX 480 go into...? It's not for nMP, all of Apples other computers are either integrated video or mobile versions at slower clock speeds. I would love two year old graphic power in my Mac, but I don't see it coming.
 
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Which Mac(s) would the RX 480 go into...?
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The lower binned GPUs from Polaris will go to iMacs, MacBook Pros (with discreet option) and higher end Polaris (Maybe even Vega? If they cut a deal with AMD and if its out...) Workstation GPUs will go into nMPs.

Retail RX480's will probably be supported (in unsupported hardware) under OS X for cMPs and Hackintoshes. This has been the way it's been forever now...
 
SDAVE said:
The lower binned GPUs from Polaris will go to iMacs, MacBook Pros (with discreet option) and higher end Polaris (Maybe even Vega? If they cut a deal with AMD and if its out...) Workstation GPUs will go into nMPs.

Retail RX480's will probably be supported (in unsupported hardware) under OS X for cMPs and Hackintoshes. This has been the way it's been forever now...
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Thank you! I guess I am just worried that they will have to gimp these so much to get them into a iMac or MacBook Pros we are really not going to see even 970 performance in 2016. As you said "This has been the way it's been forever..." :)
 
Vulkan is 1:1 Mantle, even code lanes for programming pipelines for both APIs are different by 3 first letters. Not everywhere it is, but that is the case.

Metal is in fact iteration of Mantle. Same feature set, just differently approached, custom designed for Apple custom platform.
 
xnu said:
Thank you! I guess I am just worried that they will have to gimp these so much to get them into a iMac or MacBook Pros we are really not going to see even 970 performance in 2016. As you said "This has been the way it's been forever..." :)
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I don't know about that. The Polaris line is no slouch and generates less heat which means they can cram in more now in a tiny space and possibly run at higher clock speeds

However AMD has never been a company that's for raw power like NVIDIA is.

NVIDIA literally murdered AMD with the 10 series. I GTX1080 and it's literally the fastest single card I've ever used. It eats everything I throw at it. (Testing under Windows. )
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koyoot said:
Vulkan is 1:1 Mantle, even code lanes for programming pipelines for both APIs are different by 3 first letters. Not everywhere it is, but that is the case.

Metal is in fact iteration of Mantle. Same feature set, just differently approached, custom designed for Apple custom platform.
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And the reason Apple developed metal was because they wanted to update it on their own and not rely on third parties. I'm hoping going from Vulkan to metal is easy now compared to before with dx11/12 and OpenGL.
 
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Well actually, Apple always want simplicity. What better way is to get an simple, and easy to use and learn API, than use an API that already combines both OpenGL and OpenCL features in the first place? That was Mantle. That is what is happening with Vulkan. But Vulkan is extremely explicit and hard to use API.

Feature Sets are similar, however at this point Metal is lacking most of them :D. It will be few months, years till it get as robust as industry standards, and till it will be as easy to use as possible.
 
The other problem is no one cares about open cl and CUDA is apparently still a thing.

Really selfish of gpu manufacturers tbh
 
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
Cool. You complain about some menus and the rest of us will complain about how bad the performance of OS X has been in every metric compared to other operating systems.
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Cool. I'll keep making a lot of money with OS X and you keep complaining about tiny performance differences so you can post your benchmark scores online to show off your new CPU.

Works for me.
 
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3DMark has been updated with Firestrike's successor 'Time Spy'.

480 is showing significant gains over the GTX 970.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10486/futuremark-releases-3dmark-time-spy-directx12-benchmark
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SDAVE said:
Cool. I'll keep making a lot of money with OS X and you keep complaining about tiny performance differences so you can post your benchmark scores online to show off your new CPU.

Works for me.
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Cool. You make money with "OS X".

The rest of us make money with applications (which mostly use their own interfaces anyway).
 
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xnu said:
Thank you! I guess I am just worried that they will have to gimp these so much to get them into a iMac or MacBook Pros we are really not going to see even 970 performance in 2016. As you said "This has been the way it's been forever..." :)
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Apple has squeezed a full-size Tonga chip into the iMac, so I don't see any reason a full Polaris 10 wouldn't fit (190W vs. 150W TDP for PCIe version). I'm pretty sure we'll see a slightly downclocked RX 480 as something like "RX M495X" in the next 27" iMac.
I wouldn't expect more than GTX 970 performance from it though.
 
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
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Cool. You make money with "OS X".

The rest of us make money with applications (which mostly use their own interfaces anyway).
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That doesn't make sense really. Having a tad bit more CPU performance in windoze won't make your life any different in the real world.

I fly through OS X and it's shortcut system is great in finder and has been for years.

If you don't like OS X then please go back to windoze.

And yes OS X makes me money by being stable and fast as well as user friendly And I don't have to maintain it as much as windoze.
 
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