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tuxon86

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koyoot said:
For you. But that is fair enough. And no, there is no excuse my friend in this.

If people do not buy yesterdays tech in gaming market, how come 90% of computers are still very old? How come 90% of gaming forums have Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and Haswell CPUs in their signatures, which are not updated, becuse those people never felt they need to update their computers?

One of reasons for this, was the lack of competition. Second reason is that the performance is enough even for today.

Your reasoning is nonsense, if you believe that all people can afford immediately highest spec computers, and are gaming on them only.

P.S. Show me high-end desktop CPU from Intel that costs 250$ and even 350$. Then we can talk about who is behind.
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No, the reason is that PC gaming is less popular today than what it was just a few years ago. The hardcore gamers are still buying the latest and best that Intel and NVidia provides. It's the casual market, those that used to be AMD gaming oriented market have moved on to console and smartphone for their gaming fix.

I don't have to show you an Intel $250 CPU because those that are hardcore gamers aren't in the market for a cheap ass CPU and are instead interested by liquid cooled Extreme serie i7. You are totally misjudging the gaming market, but hey, what is new.
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If you look at PC World, it seems many people buy older products which represent better value.
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PC World is a business oriented magazine, not a hardcore gaming one.
 
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tuxon86 said:
No, the reason is that PC gaming is less popular today than what it was just a few years ago. The hardcore gamers are still buying the latest and best that Intel and NVidia provides. It's the casual market, those that used to be AMD gaming oriented market have moved on to console and smartphone for their gaming fix.

I don't have to show you an Intel $250 CPU because those that are hardcore gamers aren't in the market for a cheap ass CPU and are instead interested by liquid cooled Extreme serie i7. You are totally misjudging the gaming market, but hey, what is new.


PC World is a business oriented magazine, not a hardcore gaming one.
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I will ask you this. Why do you think that AMD is targeting their platform at only hardcore gamers? Open your mind. Because that is what you lack to understand what is AMD doing.
 
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tuxon86 said:
PC World is a business oriented magazine, not a hardcore gaming one.
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Which seems to be obsessed with gaming.

I see some people buying AM3+ motherboards today on Amazon, probably to go with an FX-6300.
 
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koyoot said:
I will ask you this. Why do you think that AMD is targeting their platform at only hardcore gamers? Open your mind. Because that is what you lack to understand what is AMD doing.
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Why are you moving the goal post again...
You presented a silly theory that doesn't take into account the progress the competition is going to make.
There isn't any viable casual PC gaming anymore. Studios are closing left and right because they can't make $$$ selling games for a couple of bucks on PC. Most of the casual gaming is now on console or on phones/tablets. On PC you have to spend the cash if you want to be able to compete in the AAA titles online, since very few offer a single player experience anymore.
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Which seems to be obsessed with gaming.

I see some people buying AM3+ motherboards today on Amazon, probably to go with an FX-6300.
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Koyoot brought gaming into the discussion.
I also see people buying C64 and Atari 2600, but it doesn't mean that they are competitive with Intel and Nvidia.
 
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tuxon86 said:
Why are you moving the goal post again...
You presented a silly theory that doesn't take into account the progress the competition is going to make.
There isn't any viable casual PC gaming anymore. Studios are closing left and right because they can't make $$$ selling games for a couple of bucks on PC. Most of the casual gaming is now on console or on phones/tablets. On PC you have to spend the cash if you want to be able to compete in the AAA titles online, since very few offer a single player experience anymore.
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I look at the growing e-sport/online gaming industry very much, because it is one of my latest interests.

And nothing what you say about the requirements for hardware is true.
Most of the games you are referring to (E-Sports) are able to run on very old hardware. League of Legends, CS"GO, Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, World of Tanks, etc. They all get over 60 FPS in 1080p, even on very slow AMD CPUs + old hardware like GTX 750 Ti. Upcoming AAA+ titles will migrate to DX12. What does it mean for AMD? It means that on this front they will be one step ahead from their competition. It is Nvidia who has to play the game of catch up on features, and performance.

I do not think you even know how Gaming industry looks like lately. And all of this has been discussed by the Game Developer, and me, in the quoted conversation about gaming, and industry.
 
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I can't wait to build my all red box next year it's one of the few things I look forward to after my relocation to Georgia..Bring it on team red
 
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I look at the growing e-sport/online gaming industry very much, because it is one of my latest interests.

And nothing what you say about the requirements for hardware is true.
Most of the games you are referring to (E-Sports) are able to run on very old hardware. League of Legends, CS"GO, Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, World of Tanks, etc. They all get over 60 FPS in 1080p, even on very slow AMD CPUs + old hardware like GTX 750 Ti. Upcoming AAA+ titles will migrate to DX12. What does it mean for AMD? It means that on this front they will be one step ahead from their competition. It is Nvidia who has to play the game of catch up on features, and performance.

I do not think you even know how Gaming industry looks like lately. And all of this has been discussed by the Game Developer, and me, in the quoted conversation about gaming, and industry.
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About half of my friends work at Ubisoft and WB Montreal... Try again.
 
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About half of my friends work at Ubisoft and WB Montreal... Try again.
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Ok than, lets get back to your topic. Name one game from Ubisoft which not offers single player campaign. Assassin's Creed series: Single Player + multi. The Division: Single + Multi. Watch Dogs 2: Single + Multi.

Name games which are most popular and requires very high-end hardware.

Name one AAA studio that has been closed in past few years. Name one meaningful studio that has provided good title, and has been closed in past few years.

Just because you know few people in Ubisoft Montreal doesn't change the fact that you are clueless about gaming industry.

And yes, I know the answers to those questions. Do you know the answers?

And one last bit. PC gaming less popular? 40 milion active accounts for League of Legends, World of Tanks, Hearthstone. 30 million copies sold of Overwatch on PC only, with 29 mln. accounts active. Heroes of the Storm: 20 mln. Active accounts. And I can count it over and over...

Just because people in Ubisoft are selling smaller number of games, does not mean that PC gaming is dying. Its their problem that they have not been able to provide a good game for a long time(The Division is first for some time that gives quite decent playability level).

You tried to invalidate my "theory" but you have came with knife to a gunfight.
 
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Ok than, lets get back to your topic. Name one game from Ubisoft which not offers single player campaign. Assassin's Creed series: Single Player + multi. The Division: Single + Multi. Watch Dogs 2: Single + Multi.

Name games which are most popular and requires very high-end hardware.

Name one AAA studio that has been closed in past few years. Name one meaningful studio that has provided good title, and has been closed in past few years.

Just because you know few people in Ubisoft Montreal doesn't change the fact that you are clueless about gaming industry.

And yes, I know the answers to those questions. Do you know the answers?

And one last bit. PC gaming less popular? 40 milion active accounts for League of Legends, World of Tanks, Hearthstone. 30 million copies sold of Overwatch on PC only, with 29 mln. accounts active. Heroes of the Storm: 20 mln. Active accounts. And I can count it over and over...

Just because people in Ubisoft are selling smaller number of games, does not mean that PC gaming is dying. Its their problem that they have not been able to provide a good game for a long time(The Division is first for some time that gives quite decent playability level).

You tried to invalidate my "theory" but you have came with knife to a gunfight.
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At this point you're only trolling as you always do when things don't go your way.
You've been wrong on just about any of your god damn point and you're just as bad as Flat Five when it comes to facing reality. You're nothing more than a juvenile AMD shill posting silly stats and forum posts as if they reflect reality all the while trying to pass yourself as some sort of insider in the business. I bet you don't even have a real job and are still in school. Get a ****ing life **** for brain.
 
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At this point you're only trolling as you always do when things don't go your way.
You've been wrong on just about any of your god damn point and you're just as bad as Flat Five when it comes to facing reality. You're nothing more than a juvenile AMD shill posting silly stats and forum posts as if they reflect reality all the while trying to pass yourself as some sort of insider in the business. I bet you don't even have a real job and are still in school. Get a ****ing life **** for brain.
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You say that I am trolling and then post this in response for proofs that PC gaming is not dying.

Im sorry tuxon. But the one trolling is you.

If you are not, answer the questions in my post, and counter my arguments. I am waiting.

From the link about the stream of presentation of Zen and possibly gaming platform from AMD:
Watch New Horizon, hosted by Geoff Keighley, for an exclusive advance preview of our new “Zen” CPU ahead of its 2017 Q1 launch.

See eSports & Evil Geniuses legend PPD put “Zen” through its paces. There’ll be appearances from special guests and giveaways.

This is the first time the public will be able to try it themselves and see what it’s capable of. If you’re serious about gaming, this is an event you do not want to miss.
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And compare it to what I have written and what Tuxon tried to argue later. I bet none here does know what type of team is Evil Geniuses.
 
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Yeah, stop this already.

I never used an AMD CPU before and it won't be now, but still I am hoping they do good, at least to keep them alive.
Unless the 8 core Zen ends up in the nMP, which I hope not yet (as much good as it is), but I would still prefer the Xeon in there.
 
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Competition is always good, but AMD are barely competing in the bottom end of the market, and none of that crap can even run VR. Look at HardOCP's website for detailed reviews. Some of us need real power, and would like competition and options in that space.
 
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cube said:
The FX-8350 is roughly equivalent to the i5-6600K under full load.
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And in general, the performance appears more similar to the i7-6700HQ, with the latter still having an interesting advantage up to 4 threads.
 
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Another day, another Zen rumor:

https://mobile.twitter.com/momomo_us/status/805050776087203841

According to translation, 4C/8T Zen is on par with 4790K CPU. 4.0 GHz base/4.4 Turbo, 4C/8T design.

If this will turn out to be true, and it will have 65W TDP, and 150$ price point it will be huge.

People can wonder why AMD would price it so low. Well, according to other sources, single Zen die costs AMD to produce between... 18 and 20 USD.

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277336&postcount=4361
 
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Well, the naming scheme is supposed to be less confusing ;)

Also, for people completely not interested in brand, they have had no idea, whatsoever about the Chipsets, and features of the chipsets of the motherboards. Thats what AMD tries to change with the naming schemes.
 
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