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koyoot

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I thought Intel had opened up Thunderbolt as a non-exclusive royalty free license scheme? Surely that will allow anyone (with a suitable dev and production time) to produce their own Thunderbolt compatible chips?
It will happen next year. Currently they are still required to buy Thunderbolt 3 controllers.
 

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P.S. If Ryzen 7 1700 will cost 250$, what do you guys think about 199$ Ryzen 5 1600X? ;)
I would be more interested in $175 for 1600.

Add a $150 X370 board, and $700 for an 8-core TR + X399 motherboard becomes hard to justify.
 

koyoot

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I would be more interested in $175 for 1600.

Add a $150 X370 board, and $700 for an 8-core TR + X399 motherboard becomes hard to justify.
Motherboards will cost quite a lot, actually. 299$ is the minimum what you have to expect, and 399$ will be the average price for TR4 MoBo. The CPUs cost so low, to mitigate the platform costs.

I do not know the price for R5 1600, but what is currently rumored in Retail is that AMD will lower 1600X from 259$ to between 199 and 219$.
 

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I am staggered. Linus complaining about upcoming Intel lineup. I have never thought I would see this.
 

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Intelripper
Actually this is not worst information for Intel. I suggest looking at benchmarks leaking in upcoming days/weaks ;). From both sides. I suppose Intel will be first to show its muscles ;).

Right about here:
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Xeon Gold based on Skylake-X CPU.
 

Stacc

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Looks like Apple won't be going AMD for their CPUs anytime soon. It was Intel across the board today including Skylake based Xeons in the iMac Pro.
 

koyoot

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My guess is the new Skylake Xeons have superior performance to the Zen derived chips. A geekbench score hints as much.
The Geekbench score is from Skylake-X 6 core chip... OC'ed to 5.7 GHz. On LN2. Intel fanboys used ths score on Anandtech forum to extend some parts of their bodies... ;) about how much faster is Skylake X compared to Ryzen, until that was debunked that it was 5.8 GHz and LN2.
Here is 7820X for comparison @5.7 GHz.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3566679_wizerty_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i7_7820x_47032_points
This is 5960X on LN2 score @5782 MHz.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3199534_oclockdoc_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i7_5960x_44275_points/
And this is Ryzen 7 CPU on LN2 @5.166GHz:
http://hwbot.org/submission/3509146_johan45_geekbench3___multi_core_ryzen_7_1700x_43539_points/

Scores for "stock" clocks are hovering around 4700-4800 Pts in GB4 fo ST. Ryzen 7 hovers around 4400.
The Geekbench scores are very much influenced by Memory bandwidth. And The Quad Channel memory inflates the scores. Overall, as I have said, Skylake X is 5-7% faster than Broadwell-E in IPC, and 6-8% faster than Ryzen architecture in IPC.

And just for entertainment. Listen to another rant about upcoming Intel lineup:
 
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Repackaged chips are a good option. If you think it does not makes sense just don't buy them. There will be not much to complain about if X299 motherboards drop to $180 too later.
 
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koyoot

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Yield of Ryzen CPUs is good to the degree that it is much better for AMD and consumer to sell high core CPUs at lower prices, than they were before. High core - 8 cores.
 

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https://videocardz.com/69760/engineering-sample-update

AMD ZD1840A8UGAF4 16/32 3400 3700 AMD Whitehaven
AMD ZD1438A9UC9F4 12/24 3200 3592
AMD Eng Sample: 1D3101A8UGAF3_36/31_N 16/32 3100 3600 AMD Whitehaven
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920 12-Core Processor 12/24 3200
AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Quad-Core Processor 4/4 3100 3600

AMD ENG SAMPLE: ZM2000C4T4MF2_36/20_N 4/8 2000 3600 AMD Mandolin
AMD ENG SAMPLE: ZM1800C4T4MF2_34/18_N 4/8 1800 3400 AMD Mandolin
AMD Eng Sample: YD17E0BBM88AE_37/30_N 4/4 3000 3700
AMD Eng Sample: 2M2000C4T4MF2_33/20_N 4/8 2000 3300 AMD Mandolin
AMD Eng Sample: 2M3001C3T4MF2_33/30_N 4/8 3000 3300 AMD Dibbler
 

Stacc

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I'm not sure this thread is relevant anymore to the mac. AMD had its latest chips available that were suitable for the iMac and iMac Pro and were passed up for Intel. Maybe this would be worth revisiting when AMD comes out with its Zen based APUs and mobile chips.
 

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It is just the forum I've used since a long time ago.

Obviously you are welcome to post here, but comments such as "I don't care about Apple" doesn't lead to productive discussions in a forum titled "macrumors".
 

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Obviously you are welcome to post here, but comments such as "I don't care about Apple" doesn't lead to productive discussions in a forum titled "macrumors".
It is not productive to say a thread should be closed because it does not apply to current Apple products.
 
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