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Flint Ironstag

Flint Ironstag

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William Payne said:
Nobody ever says "I brought what best suited my needs and budget".
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You're guilty of the exact same thing! The stuff you like (professional cards), you don't need, but you can afford it and prefer it (peace of mind with ECC, potentially better build quality (likely not measurable within the production lifespan of the CPU or GPU(i7 vs Xeon, GeForce vs Quadro or Tesla)).

Nothing wrong with it from my point of view, but I thought you outlined it perfectly in your opening post. You don't care about people's professional needs or your own - you can afford the best and it gives you peace of mind. Nothing wrong with that as long as you acknowledge it.

I like my cars with 12 cylinders, and my personal workstations with dual CPU sockets (more cores at high frequency).

I have household servers for a bunch of stuff, but if I feel like tinkering with something on my primary workstation while music, a movie, or whatever are running in the background, I don't want my UI to suffer. This takes processing power and money.

Maybe 2cpu.com is due for a makeover: Overkill personal workstations . com
 
koyoot

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It appears that Threadripper will come with Liquid Cooling solution...
 
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Flint Ironstag said:
You're guilty of the exact same thing! The stuff you like (professional cards), you don't need, but you can afford it and prefer it (peace of mind with ECC, potentially better build quality (likely not measurable within the production lifespan of the CPU or GPU(i7 vs Xeon, GeForce vs Quadro or Tesla)).

Nothing wrong with it from my point of view, but I thought you outlined it perfectly in your opening post. You don't care about people's professional needs or your own - you can afford the best and it gives you peace of mind. Nothing wrong with that as long as you acknowledge it.

I like my cars with 12 cylinders, and my personal workstations with dual CPU sockets (more cores at high frequency).

I have household servers for a bunch of stuff, but if I feel like tinkering with something on my primary workstation while music, a movie, or whatever are running in the background, I don't want my UI to suffer. This takes processing power and money.

Maybe 2cpu.com is due for a makeover: Overkill personal workstations . com
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amd with 1 cpu can beat Intel with 2.
 
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William Payne

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Flint Ironstag said:
You're guilty of the exact same thing! The stuff you like (professional cards), you don't need, but you can afford it and prefer it (peace of mind with ECC, potentially better build quality (likely not measurable within the production lifespan of the CPU or GPU(i7 vs Xeon, GeForce vs Quadro or Tesla)).

Nothing wrong with it from my point of view, but I thought you outlined it perfectly in your opening post. You don't care about people's professional needs or your own - you can afford the best and it gives you peace of mind. Nothing wrong with that as long as you acknowledge it.

I like my cars with 12 cylinders, and my personal workstations with dual CPU sockets (more cores at high frequency).

I have household servers for a bunch of stuff, but if I feel like tinkering with something on my primary workstation while music, a movie, or whatever are running in the background, I don't want my UI to suffer. This takes processing power and money.

Maybe 2cpu.com is due for a makeover: Overkill personal workstations . com
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I am 100% guilty but my spending habits always lean towards the more expensive. My beef which is what I was getting at is that people can buy whatever they want, I personally don't care what others buy, but things have gone a bit overboard in that people are now putting everything they buy on some golden throne where everything else that isn't their preferred thing sucks.

In the camera world I have seen people get verbally abused just because they use a different camera then someone else.

In the case of this thread what I'm seeing with the new AMD releases is people aren't praising the fact they have purchasing options. They are calling for the outright death and destruction of intel and nvidia.

Its sort of like how there are people who want apple to fail just because of some personal gripe with the company.

I should mention though that my personal income is no more then anyone else in fact probably less then most, my costs of living are just rather low.
 
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If 6-core Intel mobile comes out soon, it will probably be a better option than AMD, unless you want a not so big Ryzen 7 laptop.
 
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Don't scapegoat the mesh:


cube said:
X370 motherboards start at $120.
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X99 motherboards start now at $150 (Gigabyte).

X370 starts at $100 (Asus).

If AM4 will have 12-core next year, investing in X99 does not look so good.

And if you think that will suffice for quite some time, no need to go TR4.

Still, AM4 looks lacking in PCIe, maybe I'll just go for $150 X99 and a used Xeon in the end.
 
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Battle of the Hexacores:


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Ryzen 3 user benchmarks showed up:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-3-1300X/Rating/3930

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/Rating/3931

1200 about as fast as Phenom II X6 1090T in multicore, about 50% faster in single and quad core.

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Bristol Ridge is needed in order to hit a sub-$350 DDR4 build target with AMD.

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I calculated the current minimal decent AMD build at almost $175 (dual core, 4GiB, 250GB, no optical).

With quad core, USB 3.1, and M.2 slot it comes at $210.
 
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ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming is still the only AM4 motherboard with more than gigabit ethernet (5GBase-T).

At least now 3 other brands also have Wi-Fi.
 
koyoot

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Interesting tidbit.

It costs 500$ more to put Interposer on 300 mm2 silicone wafer. So it would cost around 2$ per 200mm2 more than normal silicone.

Each 4 GB HBM2 stack costs 5-10$. Smaller capacities also cost less.

Zen on 14 nm FF costs AMD to make at around 35-42$ as of today, to make, without testing, validation, packaging, etc. So total costs will top at 45$ per chip.

Raven Ridge on 14 nm FF+, which is slated for lowering costs and higher performance/efficiency will have slightly higher die size than Ryzen CPUs(198 vs. 189 mm2). However the important part is that some Raven Ridge APUs have to have different design. If they are using Interposer, they have to be made on different line, and use different wafers.

Manufacturing costs that AMD is aiming right now with Raven Ridge+HBM2 is at 55$.


Finally in Poland, all of mITX AM4 motherboards are available. Gigabyte, Asrock, Biostar, all of them. And I am actually quite surprised with prices of them.
 
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I see only one motherboard each of X99 and X299 with greater than gigabit (10GbE). But those prices!
 
xsmi123

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cube said:
Battle of the Hexacores:


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Ryzen 3 user benchmarks showed up:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-3-1300X/Rating/3930

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/Rating/3931

1200 about as fast as Phenom II X6 1090T in multicore, about 50% faster in single and quad core.

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Bristol Ridge is needed in order to hit a sub-$350 DDR4 build target with AMD.

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I calculated the current minimal decent AMD build at almost $175 (dual core, 4GiB, 250GB, no optical).

With quad core, USB 3.1, and M.2 slot it comes at $210.
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Very encouraging results in the video.
 
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I stopped reading the anantech review where they state they test at JEDEC timings.
 
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