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Analysis: The real reasons behind Apple's Mac Pro delay.
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Unless Apple changes course from Cook's last comment...there is no other option but 1 or 2.
The context of Cook's comments were EXPLICITLY in reference to
-Pros
-Performance
-The existing customer base of the MacPros and their demands
Hehehhe, Yeah but for the first 5 or 6 years it was two guys in a garage one hobbyist tinkerer and a con-man. The hobbyist was last seen dancing with the stars and the con-man who later became an extraordinary salesman and "visionary" is now dead. About 10 years in the middle somewhere were spent by a bunch of control freaks making huge mistakes and not following the game-plan. So to say nothing more than we can reduce the "40" to an actual 36 years and then subtract 15 or 16 from that.
Hehehhe, Yeah but for the first 5 or 6 years it was two guys in a garage one hobbyist tinkerer and a con-man. The hobbyist was last seen dancing with the stars and the con-man who later became an extraordinary salesman and "visionary" is now dead. About 10 years in the middle somewhere were spent by a bunch of control freaks making huge mistakes and not following the game-plan. So to say nothing more than we can reduce the "40" to an actual 36 years and then subtract 15 or 16 from that.
So your saying the honest one who gave back to the community that gave him so much is having a great time, and the one who took much and never gave anything in return is not? Sound like Karma and just deserts to me..
Not familiar with the technical term "Karma"
I've heard of SQL and SOL - but not "Karma" - or is that the name of the new Mac Pro?
I've heard of SQL and SOL - but not "Karma" - or is that the name of the new Mac Pro?
Hehehe, nah, I dunno what kind of lives these guys lead. I bet Steve was having a great time. I guess he "gave" quite a lot too. I think they're both good guys. <shrug> I was just trying to make the point that it hasn't been 40 years with the focus point of arriving where we are today - and I was trying to be cute in doing so.
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iKarma ?
Hehehe, nah, I dunno what kind of lives these guys lead. I bet Steve was having a great time. I guess he "gave" quite a lot too. I think they're both good guys. <shrug> I was just trying to make the point that it hasn't been 40 years with the focus point of arriving where we are today - and I was trying to be cute in doing so.
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Hahaha Yeah the "i" thing has come to mean more than "internet" to me, more like disposable device, like a Bic lighter...iBic
Hehehe, nah, I dunno what kind of lives these guys lead. I bet Steve was having a great time. I guess he "gave" quite a lot too. I think they're both good guys. <shrug> I was just trying to make the point that it hasn't been 40 years with the focus point of arriving where we are today - and I was trying to be cute in doing so.
Guess it didn't work... Oh well. Another Suntory Premium Malt's please.
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iKarma ?
I'm not a big fan of the late Mr. Jobs.
Ah, how come?
I personally dunno much about him. Just some of the directions he took in his professional life, a few hours of video, and some products he promoted approved or had some input into.
He didn't say something extremely precise one way or the other. You can't claim it is not going to be the evolutionary equivalent of the Mac Pro using the same statement. All that is evidenced by the statement is that he didn't precisely say; it doesn't change the odds on either of the outcomes.
It is against corporate policy to comment on future products. So the likelihood he was going to says something precise about a future product, especially one roughly a year out (not a developer preview some weeks early), is pretty dismally small. This is the same person who said he was going to "double down" on security. So why would he be running around blabbing about next years products? None of the hand wavers have an answer for that.
Apple made a statement after folks stopped using common sense and started to spread wild rumors about the Mini and the iMac. They put the policy aside somewhat and said the following:
" ... Apple PR has reached out and clarified that only the Mac Pro is expected to be next updated in 2013. ... "
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/1...c-pro-and-imac-designs-likely-coming-in-2013/
Going back and pulling out setence fragments of Cooks comments so that only pronouns and indirect relative references to support arguments about "vagueness" claims being accurate is just pure FUD. Apple made a declarative and deliberate statement.
They probably aren't going to make anymore. That 'card' of the statement is so vague give us more has been used up on both the statement and the "new" sticker. Whipping up a mob that lacks common sense probably isn't going to buy anything more. In fact, it likely is only going to build the case that the Mac Pro is a "drama customer' product not worth the time.
If the report on these forums was correct about someone filing a FTC complaint about the "New" label on the Mac Pro's page several weeks eariler that was likely the lawyers talking more so than "tourch and pitchfork" mob having a real effect.
Apple's speed bumped MBP several weeks ago had "new" stamped on them so the general practice continues.
As far as "new" being highly indicative that now update is coming any time soon, it was extremely accurate as a label. Mac rumors also did only enhanced the Osborne effect invoked on the Mac Pro by labeling it still a "don't buy". That's loopy since a common demographic are folks transitioning off 5-7+ year for which it is a substantive upgrade. But sure wave those folks off too. ( they could have been upgrading to supported GPU cards now. Or, in the EU, could have bought one before Apple had to pull them from the market to work on a critical project they had. )
It isn't primarily a question of whether they can do it. It is primarily a question of will enough folks buy it. I'm quite sure many in the "pitchfork and torches" mob were not and are not going to buy anything from Apple. One subset of that group are going to wait for the used models to trickle down just like they usually do. Another subset wasn't due for an upgrade for a couple of years anyway and are just trying to rattle the cage indirectly on a 2014 or 2015 model.
Wrong as usual.
Apple has said they are working on something. Unless you believe that Apple creates products using no planning at all that something has a plan associated with it.
Your misdirection hand waving is about the details of the plan. Those are immaterial to whether or not Apple is executing on a plan. You statement was that Apple had no plans. Not the details, no plan (i.e., wondering aimlessly/or randomly).
The challenge is on you to come up with the evidence that Apple is wondering aimlessly and/or randomly. Not on me. You're just redirecting on me because you don't have any evidence what so ever to back up your claims.
It doesn't have to be a plan that Mac Pro fans would like. (i.e., it can be a product termination plan. )
Looks like more strawmen arguments. You love doing this huh?
Not "extremely precise"? Try even close to anything resembling precise.
That's not a quote of any kind from anyone at Apple. That's David Pogue of The New York Times "vaguely stating" that a nameless person (maybe an Apple employee in the know, maybe not) said that it might be "likely". David Pogue said (not any Apple person): "An Apple spokesman just told me that new models and new designs of the Mac Pro, as well as the iMac desktop, are in the works and will likely be released in 2013.". And indeed that's as vague as it gets. It is a little better than just Cook using the word "wonderful" tho.
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And of course nothing here changes the fact that it's a pretty big waste of time making up reasons why they are late or making up specifications - even ones that actually make sense which most I've read don't.
Anyway there is more than one tidbit of information... more than just Cook's "wonderful" comment. This probably means there will at least be another MacPro. But speculating on anything beyond this is senseless and nonsensical - and really that's one of my main points. It just confuses everyone and causes a lot of unrealistic expectations.
"one way or the other" implies 2 ways. I just listed 10 myself and you could probably list another 20.
Not "extremely precise"? Try even close to anything resembling precise.
No one can claim anyting at all. That's one of the points being made here.
"either of the outcomes" again implies two outcomes. There's more like on hundred. And it's impossible to calculate any odds at all on any of this.
This sounds made up to me. Got a link?
No baring on the discussion at hand.
All you're doing is supporting the fact that he indeed said nothing of any significance - what-so-ever. We already know this - this is one of major points being made here.
That's not a quote of any kind from anyone at Apple. That's David Pogue of The New York Times "vaguely stating" that a nameless person (maybe an Apple employee in the know, maybe not) said that it might be "likely". David Pogue said (not any Apple person): "An Apple spokesman just told me that new models and new designs of the Mac Pro, as well as the iMac desktop, are in the works and will likely be released in 2013.". And indeed that's as vague as it gets. It is a little better than just Cook using the word "wonderful" tho.
No they did not. David Pouge of the NY Times said something. Apple remains silent and anonymous on the topic.
The sentence structure here is too messed up. I can't understand what you're trying to say.
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And of course nothing here changes the fact that it's a pretty big waste of time making up reasons why they are late or making up specifications - even ones that actually make sense which most I've read don't.
Anyway there is more than one tidbit of information... more than just Cook's "wonderful" comment. This probably means there will at least be another MacPro. But speculating on anything beyond this is senseless and nonsensical - and really that's one of my main points. It just confuses everyone and causes a lot of unrealistic expectations.
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No. You have the story wrong. Apple pr reached out to Forbes magazine to clarify that the Mac Pro will be refreshed in 2013. This is one incredibly pedantic discussion and makes me think of ground hog day.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieg...pro-update-ticks-off-loyalist-andy-hertzfeld/
It's got nothing to do with David vaguely stating blah blah.
Here is the summary
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/1...c-pro-and-imac-designs-likely-coming-in-2013/
I can't believe this is somehow a point up for debate because it is really not.
I am too lazy to type more on the phone, but I can give you a point by point summary of what happened during WWDC in 2012 when I am in front of something with a keyboard. Although there really should be no reason for it if you actually read the links above.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieg...pro-update-ticks-off-loyalist-andy-hertzfeld/
It's got nothing to do with David vaguely stating blah blah.
Here is the summary
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/1...c-pro-and-imac-designs-likely-coming-in-2013/
I can't believe this is somehow a point up for debate because it is really not.
I am too lazy to type more on the phone, but I can give you a point by point summary of what happened during WWDC in 2012 when I am in front of something with a keyboard. Although there really should be no reason for it if you actually read the links above.
Yeah, it's a little pedantic... Oh well. But it sounds like I the gist of it right just who said what and when is a little off. No official news. Just hearsay. Tho the hearsay does look pretty solid with two such references in 9 months. And I did concede that above - as you say and I admitted, it'd probably not debatable. But to be honest this is a far cry from: 'Huh? Apple made a very clear statement after the new debacle during WWDC. " unless there's yet more information I haven read. And I followed al the links at the sites you and others linked to.
So that point is cleared up for me now thanks for that.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17098761/
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I guess you're making this up too... You're certainly putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. And being pretty snippy about it too. This is another straw man type thing you seem to love so much. You start out with a false statement or a falsehood and then use that as the basis for some argument. I dunno if you're aware of it or not but it's like in every post of yours in almost every thread you're in. (just thought I'd mention that in case it was slipping your attention.)
My claims were basically:
1) There is nothing "official". There's more vague hearsay than I originally thought but nothing official that I've yet read or seen links to.
2) I don't need to even say anything here. If this info were out we would all be talking about our wallets instead of creating lengthy spaced out dream threads.
3) That's just my opinion.
But it sounds like I the gist of it right just who said what and when is a little off. No official news. Just hearsay. Tho the hearsay does look pretty solid with two such references in 9 months. And I did concede that above - as you say and I admitted, it'd probably not debatable. But to be honest this is a far cry from: 'Huh? Apple made a very clear statement after the new debacle during WWDC. " unless there's yet more information I haven read. And I followed al the links at the sites you and others linked to. So that point is cleared up for me now thanks for that.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17098761/
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I guess you're making this up too... You're certainly putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. And being pretty snippy about it too. This is another straw man type thing you seem to love so much. You start out with a false statement or a falsehood and then use that as the basis for some argument. I dunno if you're aware of it or not but it's like in every post of yours in almost every thread you're in. (just thought I'd mention that in case it was slipping your attention.)
My claims were basically:
- There is no official news from Apple about even weather or not there will be a MacPro.
- There is no official release or news from Apple about the specifications of the next MacPro.
- It's silly, useless, tiring, and confusing to see so many threads speculating incorrectly about possible MP6,1 specs. It's basically user dreaming.
1) There is nothing "official". There's more vague hearsay than I originally thought but nothing official that I've yet read or seen links to.
2) I don't need to even say anything here. If this info were out we would all be talking about our wallets instead of creating lengthy spaced out dream threads.
3) That's just my opinion.
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So let me get this straight. You are suggesting that Forbes is happy to include hearsay as news. We are talking about Forbes, not digitimes. The story is pretty clear and my original post is correct. I am not sure what you're still going on about and why you believe you are correct. What hearsay are you talking about?
Forbes is corporate run news and I don't believe what they say either.. but besides the point I for one don't believe anything thus far which states a possible Mac Pro.. We just simply don't have reliable sources.. Its all vapor at this point.
If and when Apple does release the new 2013 Mac Pro then we will all see what kind of a machine it will turn out to be, but I don't expect it to be anything like what we currently have now.. Not as expandable and will be in the same position as an iMac or Mac Mini - limited expansion..
I really feel the days of 4 hard drive bays in a desktop Mac are surely numbered.
If and when Apple does release the new 2013 Mac Pro then we will all see what kind of a machine it will turn out to be, but I don't expect it to be anything like what we currently have now.. Not as expandable and will be in the same position as an iMac or Mac Mini - limited expansion..
I really feel the days of 4 hard drive bays in a desktop Mac are surely numbered.
Oh hell yes. They even write it up as hearsay.
Is it true hearsay? I think so, probably yes. But it's certainly not anything official from Apple. Or show me the direct quote with the name of the person who said it. You do know what hearsay means right?And I'm not sure either how we got to this point of tit for tat. I just said what i said and a few people started breaking it down into that. Each time I was quoted wrongly or words were put in my mouth I clarified the remarks and positions. I think some people here are just love to type - it somehow makes them feel good about themselves. And that's OK I guess. I don't mind. It kinda makes threads like this go off topic and become all nit-picky with lots of BG noise tho.
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While it would be nice it is not Tuesday. Actually a Friday would be the day I would most hate to hear Apple say anything on it ... it is a day to put out bad news on things and hope nobody notices.
Heresay: he said, she said with no witnesses to back up credible evidence.. Heresay is hearing accusations about someone or something without sources and or evidence..
Example: Telephone harrasement via an answering machine would be considered heresay.
Example: Telephone harrasement via an answering machine would be considered heresay.
Oh hell yes. They even write it up as hearsay.
Yup, another example would be:
"Someone official who shall remain nameless told me bla bla bla..."
And this is what we have here.
Wiki says: "Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience." I hear it; I say it... Hearsay.
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Even Nano told me how these things work.. Someone passes information to another person without any proof or sources and says, its true!
At this point unless we can get TRUE, verifiable sources stating that the 2013 Mac Pro will indeed be coming out at such and such date, and it will be a totally revamped machine unlike what we have seen before + stolen prototype images, then there would be some credible proof..
So far from Forbes, and others.. Its all vapor at this point.
At this point unless we can get TRUE, verifiable sources stating that the 2013 Mac Pro will indeed be coming out at such and such date, and it will be a totally revamped machine unlike what we have seen before + stolen prototype images, then there would be some credible proof..
So far from Forbes, and others.. Its all vapor at this point.
Yup, another example would be:
"Someone official who shall remain nameless told me bla bla bla..."
And this is what we have here.