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The iPad 3 seems to get a lot of flak for making some compromises ... but in truth, it's still viable today because of the 1GB RAM and retina display, and will continue to be for a number of generations, seeing as how the current gen just released still has only 1GB of RAM. I think it was the biggest and best leap of all the iPad's so far.

I still have my iPad 2, 3, 4, and now the AIR - but the strange thing is with iOS7, i get a lot more low memory crashing especially in safari on the iPad AIR. On my iPad 3/4, i don't get that problem! It has to be the 64bit architecture; 1GB RAM is just crap.
 
Anand's battery life test routine could simply favor the Nexus 7. It may be an Android vs iOS or specific Nexus 7 hardware mix or tuning. Anand's test are extreme and do not necessarily represent an individual's usage.

I had a Nexus 7 for 13 days prior to returning it for a couple of good reasons. I can confirm however that the battery life is damn near immortal. It's incredible how long lived it is on a single charge.

I've had my rMini for about 5 hours now and I'm not sure about battery life yet. I'll have a better idea in a few days.
 
I still have my iPad 2, 3, 4, and now the AIR - but the strange thing is with iOS7, i get a lot more low memory crashing especially in safari on the iPad AIR. On my iPad 3/4, i don't get that problem! It has to be the 64bit architecture; 1GB RAM is just crap.

Right. Because iOS 7 is so refined and polished at the moment...:rolleyes:
 
Don't get confused here, the iPad mini retina is such a great package - the 326ppi ultra dense resolution and yes, for millions of regular people, the color gamut isn't a deal breaker but the biggest problem I'm having is how apple is behaving these days. They intentionally do these sort of tactics when they could just give you the superior color gamut retina display in this form factor but they are saving it for part 3 in 2014 to sell.

The margin profits are just too enticing for apple these days and yes they are a business to make money but seriously, you have loyal buyers who wished they wouldn't trickle feed these sort of upgrades year after year. I know they own the tablet space but it pains me to have to say this retina display isn't the same and I can't buy a mini retina knowing they gimped on the colors. Then you also have that stupid image retention issues!

Woah slow down there! :D

I dont think any outsider can infer what their intention is.

You may be right, and if you were i dont think thats a "these days" things, people have often said that Apple (and other manufactuers) hold back features just to include it in a later, or more expensive, model.

You may also be wrong, maybe they prioritized battery life, and couldnt maintain equivalent battery life and color reproduction between the two models, so sacrificed color until they can improve it (like what happened in earlier ipad models).
 
Just like RAM, for 99% of owners it ain't going to make a difference so ......

For those folks where both or either matter alot, buy something else.

Until they flip between safari and other apps, or open more than a few tabs. But they'll accepted the degraded performance, because they don't know any better.

And all the while, the apple defenders will cheer, and berate.
 
Zero. The two panels would be of totally different spec. That's grounds for a class action lawsuit for early adopters that were given a blatantly inferior product. A product being sold and marketed as exactly the same thing, when clearly it is not.

If they want to upgrade the display in Q1, they can, but they have to make it clear that the product has changed and that it's not exactly the same product, even if it has the same name.

In any event, they won't do it because they probably have no reason to.

See this post for further explanation:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18366521#post18366521

Why would there be a lawsuit. Theyve done this many times. RMBP, ipad 2 went to a 28nm processor w no press release. Apple TV changed its internals also with no release.
 
Why would there be a lawsuit. Theyve done this many times. RMBP, ipad 2 went to a 28nm processor w no press release. Apple TV changed its internals also with no release.

Because moving to the 28nm process resulted in jack all difference to the end user other than a slight improvement in battery life. Also, this was done a full year after the product was released, not 3 weeks after launch. Not quite the same thing as "dumping all the bad screens on people that bought it the first week", which is what the conspiracy theorists here are talking about.

So, let's recap...

Moving to 28nm process in the iPad 2, a full year after launch, resulting in a slight increase in battery.

vs.

Moving to a much more expensive and better 110% sRGB panel, replacing the inferior and cheaper 40% sRGB panel that is currently in the rMini, just weeks after the "bad" 40% sRGB panels are dumped on the early adopters.

You don't see a difference there, really?

Are you just trying to argue for the sake of arguing?


Either way, it's all theoretical, no lawsuit has occurred, Apple hasn't changed display in the rMini, so there's no point arguing about this because there's no way for me to prove otherwise. So... you can hold on to your beliefs and i'll hold on to my mine and we can call it a day.
 
Woah slow down there! :D

I dont think any outsider can infer what their intention is.

You may be right, and if you were i dont think thats a "these days" things, people have often said that Apple (and other manufactuers) hold back features just to include it in a later, or more expensive, model.

You may also be wrong, maybe they prioritized battery life, and couldnt maintain equivalent battery life and color reproduction between the two models, so sacrificed color until they can improve it (like what happened in earlier ipad models).

ROLFMAO: front page news: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/1...riticized-over-poor-color-gamut-and-accuracy/

Read it. INFERIOR is used throughout. I'm calling out all you folks who claim this is not a problem on the new retina mini's. In fact, it's worse than Nexus 7 not to mention the new kindle HDX. So yes, this is apple's tactics. They didn't say hey, here is your new mini retina because we at apple listened to your wants and needs, we give you a DIFFERENT INFERIOR RETINA screen because we think you will do fine with it and won't know the difference. Money just rolls in because whatever we shove down your pants you will buy! And when 2014 rolls around, we will "correct" this gamut-gate problem and release a mini that has trickled features to milk you again and again!

Apple knows this color gamut issue and planned on it. Plain and simple, there is no if ands or buts about this. Those in this thread who are denying and calling out people like me who just blow this out of proportion look like complete fools. There is a significant difference and hell no will I personally settle knowing that this iPad mini retina is color gimped.

Speak with your wallets to apple! Don't settle for what they shove down your pants they are so arrogant these days and it's run by a bunch of money grubbing bean counters these days. 1GB RAM, A7 lag and stutter, gamut-gate, image retention issues across their Rentina device lines (rMBP, iPads), 4" iPhones, sheesh, they are surely resting on their laurels.

I'm really contemplating now to return my iPad AIR for I know now based their tactics are to release a 2GB iPad AIR 2 or better in 2014. This is the last generation of low memory, stuttering iPads, and crap iOS 7.
 
Noticeable difference doing a comparison between the Air and rMini side by side. This is a picture my friend took on his iPhone. If you look at them separately both pictures look great. Putting them side by side however is a different story. The Air is clearly better. I am still keeping both. I love my rMini even though the screen is not the same.

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Noticeable difference doing a comparison between the Air and rMini side by side. This is a picture my friend took on his iPhone. If you look at them separately both pictures look great. Putting them side by side however is a different story. The Air is clearly better. I am still keeping both. I love my rMini even though the screen is not the same.

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You can see the net on the mini but not the Air. Seems like the mini has better "detail gamut".

Just called Apple to change my Air order to a mini.
 
I got both the Air and retina Mini. The Air is fantastic. The Retina Mini not much. Earlier I used the Mini while traveling and other times the Ipad 4. Now I rarely use my Retina Mini. Why?
The Air is so much better that the need for the mini has gone. More importantly while the Retina Mini, antenna is better and the chip is much faster, the retina display is not that good on the mini. The colors look faded. The Air on the other had has brilliant colors.
 
ROLFMAO: front page news: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/1...riticized-over-poor-color-gamut-and-accuracy/

Read it. INFERIOR is used throughout. I'm calling out all you folks who claim this is not a problem on the new retina mini's. In fact, it's worse than Nexus 7 not to mention the new kindle HDX. So yes, this is apple's tactics. They didn't say hey, here is your new mini retina because we at apple listened to your wants and needs, we give you a DIFFERENT INFERIOR RETINA screen because we think you will do fine with it and won't know the difference. Money just rolls in because whatever we shove down your pants you will buy! And when 2014 rolls around, we will "correct" this gamut-gate problem and release a mini that has trickled features to milk you again and again!

Apple knows this color gamut issue and planned on it. Plain and simple, there is no if ands or buts about this. Those in this thread who are denying and calling out people like me who just blow this out of proportion look like complete fools. There is a significant difference and hell no will I personally settle knowing that this iPad mini retina is color gimped.

Speak with your wallets to apple! Don't settle for what they shove down your pants they are so arrogant these days and it's run by a bunch of money grubbing bean counters these days. 1GB RAM, A7 lag and stutter, gamut-gate, image retention issues across their Rentina device lines (rMBP, iPads), 4" iPhones, sheesh, they are surely resting on their laurels.

I'm really contemplating now to return my iPad AIR for I know now based their tactics are to release a 2GB iPad AIR 2 or better in 2014. This is the last generation of low memory, stuttering iPads, and crap iOS 7.

I apologize, I appear to have not been clear in my post which has led you to misunderstand what I was saying.

Let me try one more time, as I am sure you will get it this time. When engineering something, you are faced with a set of challenges or constraints, and you must work within those constraints to design the best thing possible. Invariably this means making comprises, so you need to prioritize the outcomes or characteristics you need to achieve, and make compromizes on the non fundamental ones do your design.

My point was this. The latest iPad mini is basically a shrunk down iPad air. If technology existed to keep everything the same and just reduce the size, that would be great. But its never that simple and comprises would have had to have been made to accomodate the lower volume. It seems that one of those compromises was something to do with the saturation of the screen.

Compromise in this sense, by definition, means that the feature will be "inferior" as you put it, to the non compromised one.

My main point was that we can all sit back and guess what Apple have done. Some may guess as I have that they havent intentionaly made the product worse, others will, as you have, guess that they have. But none of us can know, so saying they have "intentioanlly" done something is awkward to read.
 
You can see the net on the mini but not the Air. Seems like the mini has better "detail gamut".

Just called Apple to change my Air order to a mini.

The net is not the most noticeable detail. Open the pic in another page, and then zoom in on the goalie's neck. On the Air, his neck is in shadow between his jawline and shirt color. The pic on the rMini shows quite a bit of detail between the jawline and shirt collar.

The grass is more green on the Air, and the yellow shirt more vibrant. This is something I noted rather quickly when comparing my iPad 4 and Mini 1. I never made a decision regarding which I preferred, but I used the Mini 99.99% of the time. ;)
 
I apologize, I appear to have not been clear in my post which has led you to misunderstand what I was saying.

Let me try one more time, as I am sure you will get it this time. When engineering something, you are faced with a set of challenges or constraints, and you must work within those constraints to design the best thing possible. Invariably this means making comprises, so you need to prioritize the outcomes or characteristics you need to achieve, and make compromizes on the non fundamental ones do your design.

My point was this. The latest iPad mini is basically a shrunk down iPad air. If technology existed to keep everything the same and just reduce the size, that would be great. But its never that simple and comprises would have had to have been made to accomodate the lower volume. It seems that one of those compromises was something to do with the saturation of the screen.

Compromise in this sense, by definition, means that the feature will be "inferior" as you put it, to the non compromised one.

My main point was that we can all sit back and guess what Apple have done. Some may guess as I have that they havent intentionaly made the product worse, others will, as you have, guess that they have. But none of us can know, so saying they have "intentioanlly" done something is awkward to read.
Translation: he doesn't know what he's talking about to assume anything about what Apple is doing. Anand also said that around 1.2g ram was the sweet spot for mobile devices. Yet that didnt stop him from gripping about not getting a 2g ram.
 
I've never heard so much whining in my life. The amount of threads saying "I'm glad I got the air/mini over the air/mini" is astounding. People need to get over what people do with their money.

I bought two iPad Minis. Come at me. :cool:
 
Translation: he doesn't know what he's talking about to assume anything about what Apple is doing. Anand also said that around 1.2g ram was the sweet spot for mobile devices. Yet that didnt stop him from gripping about not getting a 2g ram.

I think Anand said that 1.2GHz is the sweet spot for mobile devices. The iPads and iPhone 5s are pretty close to that. I don't think he said anything about 1.2GB of RAM, which is difficult to pull off (generally RAM increases are best when doubled - so 256MB to 512MB to 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, etc.).
 
Yes, I've compared many and the results are similar to the photo below. The photo below was taken with a Canon 5D MKII & Canon 135 f.2.0L lens. Even with the maximum upload size on this site being quite restricted, you can see the color issue Anand raised in the review (From Anand's review: The difference is small but apparent, particularly if you’re used to panels with full sRGB coverage like the iPad Air or any of the rMBPs/iMacs. The biggest deviations are in reds/blues and magenta in between as you can tell from the CIE chart above.)

In the photo below, the flowers are purple. They look this way in real life (I took the photo), they look purple on my iMac, 15 MBP-R and on my wife's iPad Air (below "left" in the photo). However, on both the Mini-R (below "bottom right") & Mini-O (below "top right", they display as blue.

This appears to be the main compromise with the Mini-R (color accuracy and vibrancy). This may be an acceptable compromise to make for many given that almost all else about the mini is excellent. If so, great! Either way, it's nice to know the facts going in so that an informed decision can be made.

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Well now, that's a deal breaker for me. I want purples to be purple not blue and red to be red not orange!

But actually it gets worse. Go read Ray Soneira's review at Display Mate which is a devastating take-down of the Retina Mini. It is not just gamut, but screen reflectance, just-noticable-color-errors, power efficiency and others which fall far short of Amazon's HDX 7.

It looks like two failed products in row now for Apple - the iPhone 5c and now the iPad mini. However, I suspect the Mini will fare better than the 5c because it has other redeeming features and, above all, it has got the Apple ecosystem going for it. If it wasn't for the latter, I would be considering Amazon instead of, now, the iPad Air or waiting for the 3rd gen Mini.
 
Well now, that's a deal breaker for me. I want purples to be purple not blue and red to be red not orange!

But actually it gets worse. Go read Ray Soneira's review at Display Mate which is a devastating take-down of the Retina Mini. It is not just gamut, but screen reflectance, just-noticable-color-errors, power efficiency and others which fall far short of Amazon's HDX 7.

It looks like two failed products in row now for Apple - the iPhone 5c and now the iPad mini. However, I suspect the Mini will fare better than the 5c because it has other redeeming features and, above all, it has got the Apple ecosystem going for it. If it wasn't for the latter, I would be considering Amazon instead of, now, the iPad Air or waiting for the 3rd gen Mini.

Shrug. I would like a better display in the Mini Retina, but the lower color gamut won't really change how I use it. Not sure how that's a failure.
 
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