Android has replaced Apple as innovators..

[appleisking]

As of now the Ipad Mini is a waste, wait till an upgrade.

The screen was bad even before things like the Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7 got here, but now it's just awful.

Hopefully Apple adds Retina, if they didn't, it would be extremely foolish.


Choice has nothing to do with Innovation. I prefer OS X over Windows by a mile, but that doesn't mean I think OS X is more innovative.

Choosing Android/IOS over IOS/Android has nothing to do with which Platform is more innovative.

With IOS 7, IOS is adding a lot of things that Android platforms have had for years, and 4.3 Jelly Bean isn't a huge leap forward, we won't see that until Key Lime Pie, and I have no clue what will be on that.

One important one that I think is overlooked is the LED light on Android. Without even checking my device, I can see if I have a missed call, text, email, or download. You can't do that on IOS.

That's a small thing that's actually pretty nifty. Also Widgets. I could write paragraphs over how important widgets are.

But anyway, I'm not going to sit here and list every innovation ever for both Android and IOS, there are a ton for each system.

Yes I think LED is nice but to be fair blackberries have had this before either ios or android even existed.

 

[Michael Goff]

www.gsmarena.com/apples_board_might_be_pressuring_ceo_for_lack_of_innovation-news-6552.php

Oh, they might be.

Okay.

Yep, still not seeing how Steve Jobs being there would mystically DO anything. Let's consider the iPhone 4S that he had a hand in. I take it that was innovative enough for you.

 

[Savor]

Oh, they might be.

Okay.

Yep, still not seeing how Steve Jobs being there would mystically DO anything. Let's consider the iPhone 4S that he had a hand in. I take it that was innovative enough for you.

So defensive eh?

Fine. Let's throw out SJ. He is gone. What has Apple done lately that is innovative? Sales?

I'm hardly an Android troll. My mentality for Apple was similar to many here defending them but this was back in 2010-2011. Maybe you are new to iOS. I dont know and I dont care. All I see from Apple are small increments. I see new features on iOS that I already saw back in 2008 during my jailbreaking days. For goodness sames, iOS still doesnt have a lockscreen like Intelliscreen as a default choice or App Store app. If Apple was so easy to use, why so many steps like jailbreaking to make them easier to use? You have to keep opening apps just to view info. Folks like us already have a weather widget, news widgets, DashClock, Flipboard, BlinkFeed, etc to glance at info without opening apps. iOS has the most archaic way on how to view info and deal with apps.

I eventually realized Apple are the biggest hypocrites and patent troll in history. Instead of innovating, they stifled innovation. Apple wants to claim every patent as their own like they are some magical inventors. They sue Samsung only to run back to them as a SoC supplier. At least Google created a Google Now app for iOS while Apple refuses to open to iTunes or their default apps or services to anyone. I hope Google someday sues Apple for everything they have. Ban all their apps or services used on iOS. I hope Samsung, LG, and Sony stops supplying Apple with parts. Then we will see who needs who more. But $100 billion in the bank speaks very loud to anyone. Great marketing, great design, and patent every little thing they do is all Apple needs to make billions even if the 3rd party developers have kept them afloat with iOS' shortcomings. People will still line up for those shinier new toys even if it looks exactly the same from last year and is providing the same user experience for the last 5 years...

All I'm trying to say is for Apple to try a little harder, Michael. I'm not asking SJ to come back from his grave.

 

[Technarchy]

When Steve Jobs pulled the covers off the iPhone, the first one, it was one of the most exciting pieces of consumer electronics ever created.

Nothing out of the android sphere has ever effected the world in a similar way.

Sure, Samsung, for example is doing a good job of cramming a lot into a phone, but I'd be hard pressed to call much of it innovative.

Doesn't mean the S4 or HTC One aren't slick though.

 

[skratch77]

And how has ANDROID innovated? I see that you are really liking the S4 Active (though a ruggedized phone is hardly new), but even that says nothing about ANDROID. Also, Apple keeps selling more and more phones every year. They're not losing customers, they're just not gaining them fast enough.

Android is great and all, but I'd hardly call it innovative.

Wait you think android is not innovative? It eating every other ecosystem tells a different story.

Google now is 3 generations ahead of anything from apple and no one else is even close.with the latest update on the new moto x you don't even have to touch anything and the phone has custom hardware to always be listening to you for commands.

Google now alone is more innovative then anything apple has up its sleeve in ios7

What about Google glass? Is that not innovative either? I mean we saw things like that on TV watching star trek decades ago but at least its some real today and you don't see iOS or anyone see making it

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And how has ANDROID innovated? I see that you are really liking the S4 Active (though a ruggedized phone is hardly new), but even that says nothing about ANDROID. Also, Apple keeps selling more and more phones every year. They're not losing customers, they're just not gaining them fast enough.

Android is great and all, but I'd hardly call it innovative.

Wait you think android is not innovative? It eating every other ecosystem tells a different story.

Google now is 3 generations ahead of anything from apple and no one else is even close.with the latest update on the new moto x you don't even have to touch anything and the phone has custom hardware to always be listening to you for commands.

Google now alone is more innovative then anything apple has up its sleeve in ios7

 

[kaielement]

I wouldn't say it's android innovating I would say it's more companies like Samsung with their air gestures.

 

[GKDAIR]

I think Android personally wasn't a threat to Apple until the Galaxy S3.

That was like, what 2012? Then after that we got the original Nexus 7, and Kindle Fire HD's.

Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 debuted the "how low can u go" price war we are in the middle of now. Everybody is trying to create the best tablet, for the lowest price, and if we are going purely based off specs, I would have to say the new Nexus 7 is the best.

Last year is when Android was seriously put forward as a contender to Apple, before such they were just a nice alternative for geeks and techies.

Of course last year we also saw the Ipad Mini, which I consider a huge blunder for Apple. I know they are selling great, but Apple literally said they would never make a 7" tablet, and they did, and as of now it's one of the worst ones on the market. It needs a SERIOUS overhaul if it even plans to compete with the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7.

I agree with whoever was talking about how we've seen Apple with and without Steve Jobs. I'm certainly not saying that Apple is going anywhere anytime soon, but I do think Apple will not be as ..."magical" as they have been in the past.

Steve was truly one of a kind.

 

[matttye]

Swapped my Galaxy S3 for an iPhone 5 because, despite all the bells and whistles, it just didn't work as good for me at everyday tasks.

1. Not as stable (crashed more).
2. Bluetooth was sketchy. I often had to get into my car, disable bluetooth and then re-enable it. With my iPhone it just connects every time.
3. Battery life not as good if I leave everything on. Had to come up with an NFC tag/Tasker system to enable/disable everything automatically to conserve battery, whereas on my iPhone 5 I just leave everything on all the time and get competitive battery life.

I'll probably give it another go at some point, but for now iOS is for me.

Love the iPhone/iPad integration via iCloud too, although I'm sure similar things exist for Android. I especially like being able to amend documents in Pages and have it update on all devices straight away.

 

[JobsGang]

Hahahahahahahaha not one android innovation was listed in this whole thread.

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the ipad mini was a blunder but its just going to outsell the nexus 7 and kindle fire hd combined.

what a blunder by apple.

 

[Savor]

Shame Scott Forstall who is the real brainchild of iOS and had come from SJ's NeXT team got fired by Tim Cook.

Politics - Scott or Jony?
www.businessinsider.com/tim-cook-why-i-fired-scott-forstall-2012-12

Apple tried to feature Siri as innovative and it still doesnt beat Google's Voice Search. They tried to beat Google mapping and still couldnt do it. Now Google is beating Apple in its own game. Productive OSes.

Matias Duarte from Palm webOS was a real coup for Google. I think it shows after ICS. Apple hires an ex-Google engineer and they still couldnt make the notification system better than Android.

I think Jony Ive should stick to exterior hardware designs. Not software. Now this flat minimalist approach Ive is going after makes it look like Apple is aping Microsoft's Metro design.

Ability to block calls and have a flashlight on the notification pull down on iOS7. This is the SEVENTH generation already of iOS. I had those features since Android's Gingerbread using TouchPal Contacts and Notifications Toggle app.

 

[Zaft]

All of this is my opinion of course.


So I'm getting my Nexus 7 tomorrow, and I've been pretty much surrounded myself with Android material over the past few days, so when I get this system, I know exactly what it can do and exactly what to expect out of it.

It still amazes me that Apple is just now starting to do things that Android has had access to for years now. I had an android phone back in 2010 and it was doing stuff that IOS7 is just now starting to allow. Sadly the actual phone was pretty crappy, and didn't last long.

I largely believe that Apple has been playing it extremely safe ever since Steve Jobs died. The Ipad Mini kinda showed me that Apple doesn't really know what to do anymore. Steve would have never allowed that product to even go past the drawing board. If you like an Ipad Mini, that's fine, but as of now there are VASTLY better options for the 7" market.

People are growing stale of IOS, hell IOS7 is the largest change we've ever seen to the platform since IOS came out. I cannot tell you how many people I know who've owned iphones, that now own Galaxies or other devices. There just grew bored of IOS, but here's the issue. Android allows people to do so much more than IOS does, and people stick with Android because of that.

Even my mother now wants an Android device because of how much they can do and how much her iphone (4S) can't do.

The Galaxy Active is especially appealing to us since we live on an island and constantly go to the beach.

Anywho, my point of all of this is that Apple is simply doing nothing more than catching up to Android at this point, because they are losing customers like crazy. Apple needs a serious game changer, they need someone to throw out the rulebook, and Tim Cook is too busy reading every line of it.

Is IOS a bad platform? Hell no. Is it a stale platform? Yes.

apple even with steve jobs was not first in many features. Cut copy and paste, notifications, and multitasking. Yet it still was very successful.

 

[robjulo]

Then how about naming one great Android innovation the rest of us may have missed ?

Google Now.

Unbelievably useful and the ios copycat "today" doesn't come close.

 

[VulchR]

apple even with steve jobs was not first in many features. Cut copy and paste, notifications, and multitasking. Yet it still was very successful.

Precisely. Apple does not innovate at a fundamental level. What they do best IMO is integrating new technologies into their products so that consumers have a pleasing, reliable experience. That is their innovation, and it includes features of their ecosystem that they pioneered, such as iTunes, the Apple stores and their excellent customer service. I doubt Apple will change in this regard, and this won't appeal to those who like their gizmo's packed with features that are available but rarely used.

FWIW I am more worried that Apple is dropping the ball in international markets. Siri and Maps suck where I am in the UK, their are only a handful of apps that use Passport, etc. I'm getting sick of hearing about US-only features when I pay more for my iPhone than those in the US. This is where Apple needs to fight its battle - keeping up their customer satisfaction and loyalty, not creating a mobile supercomputer.

 

[Michael Goff]

So defensive eh?

Fine. Let's throw out SJ. He is gone. What has Apple done lately that is innovative? Sales?

I'm hardly an Android troll. My mentality for Apple was similar to many here defending them but this was back in 2010-2011. Maybe you are new to iOS. I dont know and I dont care. All I see from Apple are small increments. I see new features on iOS that I already saw back in 2008 during my jailbreaking days. For goodness sames, iOS still doesnt have a lockscreen like Intelliscreen as a default choice or App Store app. If Apple was so easy to use, why so many steps like jailbreaking to make them easier to use? You have to keep opening apps just to view info. Folks like us already have a weather widget, news widgets, DashClock, Flipboard, BlinkFeed, etc to glance at info without opening apps. iOS has the most archaic way on how to view info and deal with apps.

I eventually realized Apple are the biggest hypocrites and patent troll in history. Instead of innovating, they stifled innovation. Apple wants to claim every patent as their own like they are some magical inventors. They sue Samsung only to run back to them as a SoC supplier. At least Google created a Google Now app for iOS while Apple refuses to open to iTunes or their default apps or services to anyone. I hope Google someday sues Apple for everything they have. Ban all their apps or services used on iOS. I hope Samsung, LG, and Sony stops supplying Apple with parts. Then we will see who needs who more. But $100 billion in the bank speaks very loud to anyone. Great marketing, great design, and patent every little thing they do is all Apple needs to make billions even if the 3rd party developers have kept them afloat with iOS' shortcomings. People will still line up for those shinier new toys even if it looks exactly the same from last year and is providing the same user experience for the last 5 years...

All I'm trying to say is for Apple to try a little harder, Michael. I'm not asking SJ to come back from his grave.

I was more saying that regardless of whether or not SJ was at the helm.. Apple would still be where they are right now. I'm getting tired of this idea that SJ was some sort of deity to be worshipped. It gets old.

Apple hasn't innovated recently, but almost nobody has.

Wait you think android is not innovative? It eating every other ecosystem tells a different story.

Google now is 3 generations ahead of anything from apple and no one else is even close.with the latest update on the new moto x you don't even have to touch anything and the phone has custom hardware to always be listening to you for commands.

Google now alone is more innovative then anything apple has up its sleeve in ios7

What about Google glass? Is that not innovative either? I mean we saw things like that on TV watching star trek decades ago but at least its some real today and you don't see iOS or anyone see making it

It does eat everyone's ecosystem? I mean, yes, it has a lot of sales. I don't see how that means that it's more innovative.

MOTOROLA innovated, not Android. Android is an OS, Motorola is the one that came up with the chip. Motorola is the one that added in the things people like in the Moto X. What is innovative IN ANDROID?

And, also, we're still talking about Android and not Google as a whole. So Google Glass is irrelevant. Look at the topic. It says that ANDROID has replaced Apple as innovators. We're talking about innovations that are a part of ANDROID, not every company that might have something to do with it.

Android is just as stagnant, overall, as iOS.

 

[skratch77]

I was more saying that regardless of whether or not SJ was at the helm.. Apple would still be where they are right now. I'm getting tired of this idea that SJ was some sort of deity to be worshipped. It gets old.

Apple hasn't innovated recently, but almost nobody has.



It does eat everyone's ecosystem? I mean, yes, it has a lot of sales. I don't see how that means that it's more innovative.

MOTOROLA innovated, not Android. Android is an OS, Motorola is the one that came up with the chip. Motorola is the one that added in the things people like in the Moto X. What is innovative IN ANDROID?

And, also, we're still talking about Android and not Google as a whole. So Google Glass is irrelevant. Look at the topic. It says that ANDROID has replaced Apple as innovators. We're talking about innovations that are a part of ANDROID, not every company that might have something to do with it.

Android is just as stagnant, overall, as iOS.

Android is Google and Motorola is also Google.

Google glass runs on android os and the new Google now runs using the latest android os and uses android to work.

How are those not innovative and all those features work from being designed on android and work with android.

The Google glass is run on your paired android device.you can also bet your biased ass that moto/Google chip will be in every next gen android device and be native in key lime pie when it hits the streets next year.

Its amusing how you bring up moto and say they innovated it with there chip and not realize they are the same company and ohhh geee look what they also got? I freaking custom android os that is using a new version of Google now that no one else has yet.did you actually think moto made a special version of Google now all by themselves?

Or do you think the nexus 5 won't use androids latest Google now ?

Google now on an android device is integrated at the os level and is part of the operative system and is nothing like it is on iOS.its on a level that will take siri 3-4 generations to catch up

Watch this video and see how integrated Google now is with the android is,its actually part of the os and programmed deeply into it also but you new that right.

Anyways enjoy this innovative video! Pretty soon you can do this hands free with that Google chip moto is using and you can bet apple they patented it lmfao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjTj0ymhbBw&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Never mind just keep hating

 

[VFC]

Google has been innovating by taking features that already existed? Interesting.

Apple's iPad wasn't the first tablet; Microsoft's had the Courier (dual screen with touch and pen input). The primary innovation that Apple used to make the iPad a success was its move to outsource all the manufacturing in the US to China. That allowed Apple to manufacture a high performance tablet in a compact form factor at a price point that the average person can afford.

The US lost a lot of high paying jobs but the world gained an affordable tablet.

 

[Michael Goff]

Apple's iPad wasn't the first tablet; Microsoft's had the Courier (dual screen with touch and pen input). The primary innovation that Apple used to make the iPad a success was its move to outsource all the manufacturing in the US to China. That allowed Apple to manufacture a high performance tablet in a compact form factor at a price point that the average person can afford.

The US lost a lot of high paying jobs but the world gained an affordable tablet.

It seems like people assume that because I'm pointing out that Android isn't innovative that I must be saying the iPad or the iPhone have been amazingly innovative. It's not one or the other. They're both taking ideas that have been used before and calling them new and exciting.

 

[Technarchy]

Google Now.

Unbelievably useful and the ios copycat "today" doesn't come close.

I have Google Now on my iPad and iPhone. I believe it is, or is coming to chromebooks as well.

It's just a Google app, not some android "innovation"

 

[robjulo]

I have Google Now on my iPad and iPhone. I believe it is, or is coming to chromebooks as well.

It's just a Google app, not some android "innovation"

Spin.

 

[skratch77]

I have Google Now on my iPad and iPhone. I believe it is, or is coming to chromebooks as well.

It's just a Google app, not some android "innovation"

On iOS it is but on android its a super version of siri can your Google now stream movies from your phone to a smart TV that uses dlna?

 

[cynics]

Grass is always greener. I like both for different reasons. Just because some find iOS overly simple or lacking in areas doesn't mean that's a bad thing at least not for everyone.

 

[Technarchy]

On iOS it is but on android its a super version of siri can your Google now stream movies from your phone to a smart TV that uses dlna?

Why would I care about that when I have Apple TV...?

 

[skratch77]

Why would I care about that when I have Apple TV...?

Your not getting the point Google now on android is nothing like Google now on iOS.its integrated in the os

 

[Tinmania]

Yes I think LED is nice but to be fair blackberries have had this before either ios or android even existed.

And they were on cell phones way before that.



Michael

 

[Technarchy]

Your not getting the point Google now on android is nothing like Google now on iOS.its integrated in the os

That's not exactly a substititve counterpoint.

I use Google Now on my iPad and GS4 and beyond the push notifications and useless wake command, this OS integration doesn't manifest in any meaningful way.

The android version has some personal digital assistant functions that work as a Siri alternative sure, but when I'm on iOS I use Siri so that doesn't matter. Plus Siri does a better job. When I say call or text "my wife" it knows who I mean because Siri has some contextual comprehension. Google now does not.