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skratch77

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That's not exactly a substititve counterpoint.

I use Google Now on my iPad and GS4 and beyond the push notifications and useless wake command, this OS integration doesn't manifest in any meaningful way.

The android version has some personal digital assistant functions that work as a Siri alternative sure, but when I'm on iOS I use Siri so that doesn't matter. Plus Siri does a better job. When I say call or text "my wife" it knows who I mean because Siri has some contextual comprehension. Google now does not.

Google now can call your wife and on iOS it won't do that .

Why are you not understanding this simple difference
 

GKDAIR

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I think people honestly have no clue what the word Innovation means, it's almost as bad as Irony.


Innovation does not Invented.

Steve Jobs didn't invent anything, but he innovated practically everything.

The Home Computer
The MP3 Player
The Phone

And gave us a product that nobody needed. A Tablet.

Yes, there were tablets around before Jobs, but Jobs made them desirable, made Tablets that actually worked, and up until just last year, the Ipad was unchallenged.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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I'm not sure what about Google Now is innovation either?

Didn't Google just add basic features to Google Now like reminders and setting alarms THIS YEAR?

So it takes what you search for in Google and compiles a list of things you might be interested in (I say MIGHT be because Google Now kept thinking the Tigers were my favorite baseball team.....told it 3 times NO, yet I still get the Tigers' scores popping up.....).

So it reads your Gmails and pulls out tracking info? Same with travel itinerary. None of this is innovative.

And as far as the traffic thing goes - iOS's 'Today' actually knows the route I take to work and uses it as the basis for the time estimate (I don't use the highway for most of my drive), whereas Google Now gives me the same route every morning (despite the fact I don't take this route)- which would likely be the fastest if not for traffic. It also intelligently shows this information based on when I generally leave home and work. Right now, it doesn't give me any information about my commute - but come 4:30, I'll see the current time estimate based on the route I use.

Google Now's notification card for commute time seems to pop up randomly - or maybe I just notice it at random times because I never dismissed it.

I have to say - Google Now is cool, but I'd hardly call it innovative. Passbook, today and Siri - via push notifications - do a much better job overall IMO. Then again, I guess this is just my opinion.

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I think people honestly have no clue what the word Innovation means, it's almost as bad as Irony.

SO true.....
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Google now can call your wife and on iOS it won't do that .

Why are you not understanding this simple difference

Don't care about this function on iOS because I have Siri which does a better job.

I just tell Siri who my wife is and it understands. Same for mom, dad, son, daughter in-laws and whatever. Google now doesn't understand these types of relationships.

What you're presenting is difference without distinction, for one, and two you're trumpeting differences that would be irrelevant to an iOS user.
 

FrankB1191

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Jun 14, 2013
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Why would I care about that when I have Apple TV...?

I don't own a smart TV, and Apple TV provides all the streaming I need, and can be moved from one TV to another. Try Samsung's Apple TV ripoff, and see how many minutes it takes before you're tearing your hair out.

Steve Jobs wouldn't build a 7" tablet...blah, blah. The Mini is an 8" tablet, and the Nexus is a sub-7" tablet. Those buttons take up precious real estate on an already small screen. The Mini is NOT a 7" tablet....GEESH!

Android innovation means you can move your widgets around, or play a video while reading email. I had a Samsung Note 10.1 and Note 8, and it's not very easy to watch a video while reading an email. The single feature I did enjoy with my Android tablets, was having a calculator floating around on the screen.

Enjoy whatever you like; it's not for me to judge anyone's decision regarding PC's, tablets, phones, pizza toppings, etc.
 

skratch77

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Mar 20, 2013
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Don't care about this function on iOS because I have Siri which does a better job.

I just tell Siri who my wife is and it understands. Same for mom, dad, son, daughter in-laws and whatever. Google now doesn't understand these types of relationships.

What you're presenting is difference without distinction, for one, and two you're trumpeting differences that would be irrelevant to an iOS user.

I don't care what you and you wife do with siri you are still not understanding how I'm trying to tell you google now is innovative and works at the operative level and is not just an app.

Did you not watch the video I posted with hr guy controlling his house with Google now?

You telling me that's not innovative? Its doing things on the os level and not even using Google search,its blasting things from the device to other devices and connected at the os level and not just a stupid app like you are calling it.

Watch the video and then tell siri to do the same things

Good luck on that

Google now in the video I posted is controling apps at the os level and not slowly opening them,its listening to commands and running the processes for them.its not opening up app one buy one its almost at the point you can just talk to your phone and actually get it to do what your trying yo accomplish.
 
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jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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I don't care what you and you wife do with siri you are still not understanding how I'm trying to tell you google now is innovative and works at the operative level and is not just an app.

Did you not watch the video I posted with hr guy controlling his house with Google now?

You telling me that's not innovative? Its doing things on the os level and not even using Google search,its blasting things from the device to other devices and connected at the os level and not just a stupid app like you are calling it.

Watch the video and then tell siri to do the same things

Good luck on that

Airplay is an OS level function that allows streaming of content.

What's innovative about doing something through the OS versus allowing an app to do it anyways? I can control my alarm system (and if I paid money for it, a whole lot more) from my smartphone via an app. If I were able to do this without the app, that would be innovative? Why?
 

Solomani

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Sep 25, 2012
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I'm hardly an Android troll.

Then why do you keep re-hashing a topic that's been debated to death?

"Apple is doomed, lacking innovation without SJ! Blah blah blah!"

You seriously think you're the first one to have spouted that here in MR? The countering opinions have gone back and forth for over a year since Steve passed away. The topic has been beaten to death. That you bring it up again (by starting this thread) is a Trollish activity.
 

Technarchy

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I don't care what you and you wife do with siri you are still not understanding how I'm trying to tell you google now is innovative and works at the operative level and is not just an app.

Did you not watch the video I posted with hr guy controlling his house with Google now?

You telling me that's not innovative?

That's the rub, I'll use Siri's contextual comprehension AI 30-40 times a day, every day, and have little to no need for a voice controlled universal remote. Do you control YOUR house with your phone like in that? Probably not, so who the hell cares? Why do you care?

You are calling these things innovations, but the best innovations will impact your daily life, and not just be something you pull out to show your relatives during the holidays.

Caveat, I use Google Now daily with my GS4, using Siri like functions. Calling, texting, setting appointments, etc etc.
 
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appleisking

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I really do not see the point of this thread. We are debating what innovation is, and how or if android has been meeting those guidelines and ios has not. Why? Must we all immediately jump to the platform that is the most innovative? No. You jump to the platform that works best for you and the one that you personally prefer. There's no reason for this pointless argument. You like android better than ios. Great, don't use ios. Personally I don't see anything particularly innovative about android (just because it can do more doesn't mean it's more innovative), but then again I don't base my os choice on "innovation" and yet I would still most likely choose an android phone over any other mobile os.

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That's the rub, I'll use Siri's contextual comprehension AI 30-40 times a day, every day, and have little to no need for a voice controlled universal remote. Do you control YOUR house with your phone like in that? Probably not, so who the hell cares? Why do you care?

You are calling these things innovations, but the best innovations will impact your daily life, and not just be something you pull out to show your relatives during the holidays.

Caveat, I use Google Now daily with my GS4, using Siri like functions. Calling, texting, setting appointments, etc etc.

As far as I've heard on google now and siri, google now is more accurate in its understanding of what you want, but siri can do more. Is that about the gist of it or is it the opposite?
 
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FrankB1191

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Jun 14, 2013
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I watched your video, Skratch. That's nice, but you need the appliances to be wired properly for all that to happen. When I had my Samsung Note tablets, I would have been able to control my Samsung washer and dryer if I had those, but I don't. As far as lights, I still use a clapper.... NOT! :D

Is using an Android device as a remote control innovative? Remote control has been around for a while (including the clapper), but this seems to be moving down the right path, as long as your lights and appliances are on the same page. That means spending more for lights, and buying a new TV. A really innovative lighting system wouldn't require a handheld device, just my voice in the room. The TV should be able to store/sync my media, and respond to voice commands without phone or tablet. That'd be nice! Apple's Airport devices allow all Apple devices to be used as remote controls, but they don't do lights.
 

bnnentertainmen

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Aug 8, 2013
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apple is the true innovator, android just took everything what apple made and improved it, they aren't the innovators, they're the "improvers". but this just my opinion.
 

Technarchy

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As far as I've heard on google now and siri, google now is more accurate in its understanding of what you want, but siri can do more. Is that about the gist of it or is it the opposite?

It just depends. There are times when you'll want to slap the hell out of Siri, but overall it's been a solid performer for me.

Google Now does a vastly better job with search, and a respectable job with calendars, messages, calls. It just takes a little more work for it to understand certain things in the way Siri does.

On iOS I tended to use Siri for relationship and people management and Google Now for reference information.

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Apple's Airport devices allow all Apple devices to be used as remote controls, but they don't do lights.

But you can do this...most innovative thing ever. It controls lights.

http://www.meethue.com/en-US

Not really, kinda cool, but one would be hard pressed to call a 21st century clapper innovative.
 

Solomani

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Sep 25, 2012
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Apple's Airport devices allow all Apple devices to be used as remote controls, but they don't do lights.

Apple and Philips have partnered for a year selling (exclusively first) the Hue light control system at Apple Retail Stores. In other words, you are wrong, mate. :D Apple's iOS has done the "light control thing".... nearly a year now. Not only that, they did this by partnering with an exclusive arrangement with Philips.... one the world's leading companies having developed light/energy/lightbulb innovations in the past century. Hue is not exactly "Airport based", but it is WiFi based and controlled by your iPad/iPhone app.

20121029philipshue.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD62Wpogi1s&feature=player_embedded
 

FrankB1191

macrumors 6502a
Jun 14, 2013
722
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Pennsylvania
But you can do this...most innovative thing ever. It controls lights.

http://www.meethue.com/en-US

Not really, kinda cool, but one would be hard pressed to call a 21st century clapper innovative.

I knew there would be a system and IOS app for that. ;) The problem might be that people like me just don't explore what their Apple devices can do, while Android manufacturers shout it out.

P.S. I know if I look at the lighting system, I'll have to buy it. Ah, what the heck. I like colored lights. Apple seems to have been wired into my car's head unit as well. If I plug an Apple tablet into its USB port, it recognizes everything. My Samsung tablets do not get recognized...??? It's a Pioneer, if that makes any difference.
 
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