Android is the future.

[Wrathwitch]

I'm curious what one you're using. It also puzzles me how often some people change their phones.

Currently using the SSGS3. Yeah, I don't drink much, don't smoke or use recreational drugs but I feed off of mobile tech rumors and new tech gadgets worse than a crack ho.

In this case though two good things came of my switch. My mom now has her first smart phone (my old iP4) which she is very excited about and enjoying, which in turn makes me happy. Secondly I got to get a completely new experience with Android!

 

[Tubamajuba]

Nicely said, but unfortunately with people being on the edgy, sensitive, defensive, argumentative side (this includes me btw) it's impossible to have a discussion without it getting overly biased, insulting and uncivilized.

So the only thing we can do to try and neutralize it is to be being open, sociable and of course anit-expletive which of course you can't do anyway.

Your summary of my post said exactly what I tried to say, in far fewer words. I admit that I too can be all of the things you listed and when I step away from the computer, I think to myself, "Dang, what am I doing?". I am always trying to be a better person online. Anonymity is both a blessing and a curse, and I really don't want to be a "curse" to people.

You wrote so much just to say: "Let's all appreciate every phone and hold hands everybody!"

Really, this is a place of debate. Some people don't like iPhone and some don't like Android. Let them argue. It makes for good competition since we can't have either company slack off.

I agree with you that debate is generally healthy. But next time you go into a thread with a fiery debate, ask yourself, "What is being debated here?" Every single debate ends up becoming two sides trying to defend their ego, proving that they are "right" by any means necessary, most commonly by ad hominem attacks. And yes, this is by no means exclusive to this forum, it's an unfortunate trait of the entire internet.

Of course, I'm not advocating to end debating. That's silly, and it just wouldn't happen. Kinda like standing in front of a moving train and yelling "STOP!". But I am advocating that we start expanding upon our words better- comments like "Android has too many choices" and "iOS is too simple" are both valid comments- when proper reasoning is affixed to them. Simply dropping either of those statements into a thread is certainly going to draw attacks, but as long as the poster makes it clear they are opinions and backs them up with reasoning, they're perfectly good conversation starters.

I guess I want a "Code of Civility". Maybe a sticky on the top of this forum laying down some basic expectations of smart discussions, and a warning that you shouldn't expect respect if you choose not to follow them.

Because really, there *is* no place on the internet to honestly discuss iOS and Android in the same place. I think we can pull it off here if we make that a goal.

 

[Calidude]

I guess I want a "Code of Civility". Maybe a sticky on the top of this forum laying down some basic expectations of smart discussions, and a warning that you shouldn't expect respect if you choose not to follow them.

You're acting like this place has no rules. We have them, and this place does fine. You're just acting oversensitive. Stop worrying about people having a sharp tongue when they talk and start discussing the phones. All you're doing is derailing every thread that upsets you, which is even worse than the people who debate harshly about the actual topics at hand.

Get back on topic.

 

[nunes013]

as much as i like Apple i do not think they will stay on top forever. they definitely will never go away if they keep innovating and do the things they do. i also think many people will not jump ship because of what they have invested in Apple. i have probably a little over $100 in apps for my iPhone and iPad. even if someone came out with some super awesome android device i wouldnt switch because im not about to rebuy all that. plus when you have a lot of apple products it syncs nicely and is easy which is what people want. like i said they wont stay on top forever, but if they have executives who think like Steve and Tim they wont go away anytime soon.

 

[Tubamajuba]

You're acting like this place has no rules. We have them, and this place does fine. You're just acting oversensitive. Stop worrying about people having a sharp tongue when they talk and start discussing the phones. All you're doing is derailing every thread that upsets you, which is even worse than the people who debate harshly about the actual topics at hand.

Get back on topic.

Alright, you win, I'm gone.

 

[Technarchy]

You're going to see a mass exodus of iPhone users going to Android soon after the September 12th keynote. Just watch. The iPhone 5 will disappoint so many people.

There is no precedent for what you're claiming.

On the other hand, 17% of android users say their next phone will be an iPhone.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/23/iphone-android-user-loyalty-survey/

That's certainly sounds like an exodus to me.

 

[atticus27]

I just bought a galaxy s 3 after using iphones for the past 4 years. It's way faster than my iphone 4 and the screen is pretty amazing. I have 30 days to return it, so I may if the iphone 5 is revolutionary I may, but I prefer it to iOS already. It has way more features I know turn by turn is coming, soon but apple always leaves out key features like that in every update and them pimps them out as something revolutionary( like MMS which was sad it took 3 years and cut & paste).

 

[Calidude]

On the other hand, 17% of android users say their next phone will be an iPhone.

Lol this is has been the case since people first became able to call themselves Android users. What they say and what happens are usually 2 different things.

Meanwhile, Android has 64% of the market, and by this time next year, it will be at 70%, easily, especially due to the disappointing look of the iPhone 5.

 

[thekev]

Currently using the SSGS3. Yeah, I don't drink much, don't smoke or use recreational drugs but I feed off of mobile tech rumors and new tech gadgets worse than a crack ho.

In this case though two good things came of my switch. My mom now has her first smart phone (my old iP4) which she is very excited about and enjoying, which in turn makes me happy. Secondly I got to get a completely new experience with Android!

That's cool. I might check that one out. I really only care about about a few things. I don't update anything very often. Once I have it working the way I want, I use it until that's no longer possible or until an update would allow me to change the way I address things.

 

[matttye]

There is no precedent for what you're claiming.

On the other hand, 17% of android users say their next phone will be an iPhone.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/23/iphone-android-user-loyalty-survey/

That's certainly sounds like an exodus to me.

Rather than 100% being dissatisfied with Android, this could be because it's easier to switch from Android to ios than vice versa. Googles services have Googles full support on most OSes, whereas iCloud is only officially supported on iOS (out of the mobile OSes) and you have to rely on third party solutions on others.

Clearly somebody would still need to be dissatisfied to switch, but the point I'm making is that there are people who are dissatisfied with iOS, but wont switch because they feel locked into the ecosystem - especially when they have other Apple devices. I've seen that posted on here hundreds of times.

Again though, who cares about market share? This is a pointless discussion.

 

[NbinHD]

There is always going to be people who want a smartphone just for calling and social networking, and they will stay with Apple. But for the most part I think a lot of people will jump ship to WP8 or Android, more and more people are switching, they will realize sooner or later whats best for them. After all, its YOUR opinion, you can choose what you want.

 

[VulchR]

When Android was first announced I admit I mercilessly mocked the idea.

Android has gained ground because it doesn't cost manufacturers anything, so consumers do not have to pay a premium to cover the cost of software development (or at least to the extent that iPhone users do). However, you never get something for nothing. Google has repeatedly shown itself to invade people's privacy, and I'll never feel comfortable using an OS that has the purpose of collecting information about me. Thus, for my future, the only OS's I'll consider will be those from companies that treat me as the customer. I don't think I'm alone in this. Thus Android might be the future for the majority of people, but not all of us.

 

[nuckinfutz]

There is always going to be people who want a smartphone just for calling and social networking, and they will stay with Apple. But for the most part I think a lot of people will jump ship to WP8 or Android, more and more people are switching, they will realize sooner or later whats best for them. After all, its YOUR opinion, you can choose what you want.

Why? All we've got here is your opinion which isn't substantiated with much salient points. People buy phones to talk, socialize, play games and more. These groups of people are the "fat" portion of the market and Apple does very well here. Who exactly is going to jump ship?

I just chatted with my sister tonight and she just got rid of her Droid X and got an iPhone. No big deal there ...I knew she was looking at the iPhone. What surprised me was that she informed me that my Brother-in-Law and niece had made the same moves.

People are migrating off of Android and other platforms. Apple sold more iPhones last quarter than they ever have. The iPhone has a decided advantage in Enterprise usage.

There are many opinion here but most factual data points to Apple maintaining their share and iOS is the stickiest platform, so less iPhones users are migrating off to "greener" pastures.

 

[jayenh]

I think this thread is identical to countless threads before it. And like them, I respectfully disagree, but I'd be glad to watch me be wrong.

There is no right or wrong, it is all opinion based and depends on the user. You prefer the iPhone? Thats great, no one can prove you "wrong" because if the iPhone is the best phone for your needs nothing is going to change your opinion. It always turns in to a pissing match and it doesn't need to, people just need to accept that others have different tastes. If taste is applicable to music and cars and interior decoration and everything else in this world why would it not apply to a smart phone?

Is Android the future? Yes. Is iOS the future? Yes. Both are going to co-exist for a long long time. There is no way either are going to pull out of the industry.

 

[Wrathwitch]

Why? All we've got here is your opinion which isn't substantiated with much salient points. People buy phones to talk, socialize, play games and more. These groups of people are the "fat" portion of the market and Apple does very well here. Who exactly is going to jump ship?

I just chatted with my sister tonight and she just got rid of her Droid X and got an iPhone. No big deal there ...I knew she was looking at the iPhone. What surprised me was that she informed me that my Brother-in-Law and niece had made the same moves.

People are migrating off of Android and other platforms. Apple sold more iPhones last quarter than they ever have. The iPhone has a decided advantage in Enterprise usage.

There are many opinion here but most factual data points to Apple maintaining their share and iOS is the stickiest platform, so less iPhones users are migrating off to "greener" pastures.

Perhaps, but less than 6 months ago I thought the sun shone from Apple's orifice...

What changed?

Perhaps you feel that less people will be switching, but if someone like me did, and am happy with the change, I am sure there are more.

This year, in these MR forums is the first year I have EVER seen so many "going to convert" or "have taken the plunge" posts, EVER.... In fact, is this not a forum for alternatives to iOS and iOS devices, which has NEVER before existed in MR?

I am not saying Android is the future necessarily, but it is a possible new choice for many especially as it continues to grow, improve and flourish. Perhaps to some iOS was already perfect, so they don't feel the need to really overhaul or change much of anything with the OS but in reality, that is what pushed me to change.

Got tired of staring at the same wall of icons.... something so simple as allowing the user to make their homescreen look as they like and Apple knows better that you shouldn't have that option. Go figure.

I didn't expect MAJOR overhaul with iOS6 and I am unlikely to be dissappointed. I can still experiment with it on my "the new iPad".

 

[Jagardn]

Meanwhile, Android has 64% of the market, and by this time next year, it will be at 70%, easily, especially due to the disappointing look of the iPhone 5.

Basing your speculation on the rumors of what the iPhone 5 is going to look like? Done in true Calidude fashion.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Perhaps, but less than 6 months ago I thought the sun shone from Apple's orifice...

What changed?

Perhaps you feel that less people will be switching, but if someone like me did, and am happy with the change, I am sure there are more.

This year, in these MR forums is the first year I have EVER seen so many "going to convert" or "have taken the plunge" posts, EVER.... In fact, is this not a forum for alternatives to iOS and iOS devices, which has NEVER before existed in MR?

I am not saying Android is the future necessarily, but it is a possible new choice for many especially as it continues to grow, improve and flourish. Perhaps to some iOS was already perfect, so they don't feel the need to really overhaul or change much of anything with the OS but in reality, that is what pushed me to change.

Got tired of staring at the same wall of icons.... something so simple as allowing the user to make their homescreen look as they like and Apple knows better that you shouldn't have that option. Go figure.

I didn't expect MAJOR overhaul with iOS6 and I am unlikely to be dissappointed. I can still experiment with it on my "the new iPad".

The sun is still shining if you look at Apple's financials. I doubt you'd find many stockholders displeased by the performance in the last 18 months.

There's always going to be churn and that means we will all have anecdotes about friends or family that have switched platforms. This is why most meaningful data must be taken in the form of statistics.

Despite the amount of huffing and puffing about iOS and Android the statistics are showing that Apple is not seeing a retreat in their sales. When your data pool is large enough it becomes fairly simple. When given correct information the numbers are going to lie far less than the average forum poster.

What people here want is leverage. Everyone wants to know they have another viable solution "if I don't get what I want with widget A I'll just move over to widget B". Much of the chatter I read is typical "I know I want a good Apple phone but I need leverage" so Win8/Android becomes that leverage. The numbers aren't showing anything close to an iPhone exodus.

In fact i'd say that many aren't watching the long game here. The Apple TV is starting to sell in numbers that make things for more interesting. Apples tentacles are flanking and reaching out into some intriguing areas (Passbook, Authentec, etc). At some point it becomes less and less about the boring grid of apps and even the phone itself. It becomes about the ecosystem that has been setup. Apple being the only hardware vendor for iOS has an enviable position here.

I don't think they mind losing a few phones here and there to competitors because they're building out their cloud infrastructure and really going heavy with security (Sandboxing, Authentec, NIST, AES-NI and more). The play here is so much bigger than a phone. I have a hard time believing that Android is the future because open OS like Android and Linux desktop just don't move fast enough nor have the type of focus that a single vendor provides.

 

[phillytim]

It still utterly amazes me that people use this argument to switch. I just don't get it.

I use my phone for what it's intended to do: the tasks that help make my life more productive. I use the phone to communicate, be it voice or through apps. I do what I need to do and disconnect back to my life.

I don't just sit there all day staring at my phone wishing my little icons could bounce up and down, have widgets fly all around or have live wallpaper trickling out my battery life just to have the cutesy little animations play just for the sake of having it.

They should make an app that simulates a home screen so people can trick their brains out if they chose to do so.

But eventually people are going to get bored of pimping their home screens, they'll get bored of Android after they've felt they've had the mother-of-all-breakthroughs (finally being able to customize their home screens) and their cutesy widgets crashing/rebooting their phones. They'll get tired of having apps install malware/viruses and being told they need to run an anti-virus program on their phones if they parse through the bomb-ridden Google Play marketplace. They'll be frustrated wondering why their friend's phone has a better OS update and why they didn't get it, let alone not being able to run the same apps that their friends are because of fragmentation.

And they'll run back with their tails between their legs to the best platform on the planet, the one that started it all and still has the best of it all: yes, iOS.

Got tired of staring at the same wall of icons.... something so simple as allowing the user to make their homescreen look as they like and Apple knows better that you shouldn't have that option. Go figure.

 

[Zaft]

Why? All we've got here is your opinion which isn't substantiated with much salient points. People buy phones to talk, socialize, play games and more. These groups of people are the "fat" portion of the market and Apple does very well here. Who exactly is going to jump ship?

I just chatted with my sister tonight and she just got rid of her Droid X and got an iPhone. No big deal there ...I knew she was looking at the iPhone. What surprised me was that she informed me that my Brother-in-Law and niece had made the same moves.

People are migrating off of Android and other platforms. Apple sold more iPhones last quarter than they ever have. The iPhone has a decided advantage in Enterprise usage.

There are many opinion here but most factual data points to Apple maintaining their share and iOS is the stickiest platform, so less iPhones users are migrating off to "greener" pastures.

The notion here seems to be that people ar eonly moving from IOS to android and not vice versa..

My cousin, his wife, and 3 other freinds moved from androud to IOS several months after the 4S came out. They had original EVOS and phones of that nature.

 

[Wrathwitch]

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It still utterly amazes me that people use this argument to switch. I just don't get it.

I use my phone for what it's intended to do: the tasks that help make my life more productive. I use the phone to communicate, be it voice or through apps. I do what I need to do and disconnect back to my life.

I don't just sit there all day staring at my phone wishing my little icons could bounce up and down, have widgets fly all around or have live wallpaper trickling out my battery life just to have the cutesy little animations play just for the sake of having it.

They should make an app that simulates a home screen so people can trick their brains out if they chose to do so.

But eventually people are going to get bored of pimping their home screens, they'll get bored of Android after they've felt they've had the mother-of-all-breakthroughs (finally being able to customize their home screens) and their cutesy widgets crashing/rebooting their phones. They'll get tired of having apps install malware/viruses and being told they need to run an anti-virus program on their phones if they parse through the bomb-ridden Google Play marketplace. They'll be frustrated wondering why their friend's phone has a better OS update and why they didn't get it, let alone not being able to run the same apps that their friends are because of fragmentation.

And they'll run back with their tails between their legs to the best platform on the planet, the one that started it all and still has the best of it all: yes, iOS.

I had to smile at your post. As if it was completely that simple. Let me put my statement in a way that you can understand some of how I look at life.

I find a great deal of personal pleasure in the little things in life. Seeing a hummingbird at a flower, the feel of wind in my hair, sun on my skin. The pure unadulterated pleasure of a Klondike Ice Cream Sandwich.

There is enough ****** little things in life that can bring you down or remove beauty. Therefore I seek out and enjoy the little things.

Quite simply, it gives me pleasure to look at the homescreen I create, to modify it how it pleases me to look at. It gives me pleasure to see everything the phone has to offer on a LARGE screen! Even the case which I had a custom photo etched on it makes me happy to some small extent.

What I have bolded in your quote also makes me smile. I could give two craps less what phone my friends have, or how soon they get updates as long as they are happy. If this makes me unhappy then I will act on it. I did my research before I bought this phone and thusly, have no regrets.

Not once have I had to reboot my phone, found a virus or had ANY technical issues with my phone to date. Not anticipating this to change. Surprisingly there are thousands of other users out there experiencing the same! So... GASP!!! Ice Cream Sandwich is working exactly as I was hoping it would when I bought it.

I run an antivirus program on my phone because it is a smart thing to do. It does not inconvienience me in ANY way, shape or form.

So basically, to sum up, I have a device that brings me pleasure to look at and use. If this reason for my switching devices causes you some sort of mental melt down, I am sorry to hear it!

Have a good one!

PS I also had to smile at how you use your phone... good thinking!! I have been using mine as a pantyliner all this time!!! Go figure!!

 

[ReanimationN]

PS I also had to smile at how you use your phone... good thinking!! I have been using mine as a pantyliner all this time!!! Go figure!!

I thought that was more the job for an iPad.

 

[Catdogchicken]

Ultimately there are 3 choices in today's smartphone market. iOS, Android or Windows 8 (soon).

I myself have had an iPhone each year since the 3G, right up until owning the iPhone 4S since October last year.

Each of the above OS's above have their pro's and cons. Not everyone is the same, people have choices and opinions. I for one are wanting a change. There is no rhyme or reason that I want the Samsung Galaxy S3 over the new iPhone, nor be it any justification for doing so, in my personal opinion I tire of iOS, each passing forum search I see people doing things with Android that just can't be done with iOS. For me this is drag and drop, such a simpe concept, one of which I did on my Nokia N95 5 years ago. But no, I have to sync to iTunes. Not only iTunes but iTunes on one of my 5 registered computers, lo and behold I may want to sync whilst I'm away from my MacBook or That i may be possibynat a friends who have their own iPhone synced on their PC.

Like Wraitwitch, I also enjoy the simpler things in life. And you know what? I like my device to do things for me, make my life easier and not have to run circles around an enclosed OS.

This is my choice, I don't need acceptance, to be in the cool gang or to be popular. I'm happy with the choice that I can come to myself through my own decision based on my own judgement.

When people can do things for themselves and be less wary of what people think of them and quit with this hipster mentality, I'm sure there would be a lot less bitching here at MR.

 

[zbarvian]

Ultimately there are 3 choices in today's smartphone market. iOS, Android or Windows 8 (soon).

I myself have had an iPhone each year since the 3G, right up until owning the iPhone 4S since October last year.

Each of the above OS's above have their pro's and cons. Not everyone is the same, people have choices and opinions. I for one are wanting a change. There is no rhyme or reason that I want the Samsung Galaxy S3 over the new iPhone, nor be it any justification for doing so, in my personal opinion I tire of iOS, each passing forum search I see people doing things with Android that just can't be done with iOS. For me this is drag and drop, such a simpe concept, one of which I did on my Nokia N95 5 years ago. But no, I have to sync to iTunes. Not only iTunes but iTunes on one of my 5 registered computers, lo and behold I may want to sync whilst I'm away from my MacBook or That i may be possibynat a friends who have their own iPhone synced on their PC.

Like Wraitwitch, I also enjoy the simpler things in life. And you know what? I like my device to do things for me, make my life easier and not have to run circles around an enclosed OS.

This is my choice, I don't need acceptance, to be in the cool gang or to be popular. I'm happy with the choice that I can come to myself through my own decision based on my own judgement.

When people can do things for themselves and be less wary of what people think of them and quit with this hipster mentality, I'm sure there would be a lot less bitching here at MR.

Nobody chooses their mobile platform based on social acceptance...

 

[Wrathwitch]

I thought that was more the job for an iPad.

Ahahaha!!! Well done!!

Nobody chooses their mobile platform based on social acceptance...

There may be more that do than you think. Look at one of our fellow posters Bobby Corwen. Read any of his posts and you will see that social acceptance amongst fellow device users seem to be important/or a factor to him/her.

That is just citing ONE example, but where you look at highschool now a days, peer pressure still does exist and I suspect that mobile devices play a part in it.

 

[JesalTV]

Currently using the SSGS3. Yeah, I don't drink much, don't smoke or use recreational drugs but I feed off of mobile tech rumors and new tech gadgets worse than a crack ho.

In this case though two good things came of my switch. My mom now has her first smart phone (my old iP4) which she is very excited about and enjoying, which in turn makes me happy. Secondly I got to get a completely new experience with Android!

Lol this is exactly my plan too. My iPhone 4 goes to my Mum.

I'm seriously considering the Galaxy Note 2 if the iPhone 5 disappoints me.