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Any questions about SheepShaver or OS 9?

What Mac emulator do you use?

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z970mp said:
Yes, we might think that. But when he's going out of his way to be unpleasant, the moderators might not. Given that enough times, it won't matter what anyone thinks.
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I agree. I got into this stuff at a very young age too. I didn't have a Mac until around 13 or 14, but my grandma had me using MS-DOS and Windows 98 at age 2 (though I don't really remember that lol).
I was never allowed to have the internet on my own computers as a kid, until around 15 or so. Which was probably smart because thinking back, I was probably a know-it-all. Best to stay off internet forums until a mature-ish age IMO.
 
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As a 10yrs old I played shufflepuck, glider and dark castle on the system 6 Mac SE I had at home. Obviously I spent a lot of time spent looking at the 9-inch screen. I didn't have internet access, and it was a good time. Best is just let the mods do their jobs if needed.

@z970mp enter OF and try boot hd:,\system\library\coreservices\bootx replacing hd: with whatever device you boot on.
 
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I use BasiliskII myself.
have it running in a Raspberry-pi 3, in a MacClassic case. It serves a gopher server internally for fun and learning.
Uptime is 35 days, Whoo whoo !
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XaPHER said:
@z970mp enter OF and try boot hd:,\system\library\coreservices\bootx replacing hd: with whatever device you boot on.
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I tried 'hd', 'ide0', 'ide1', 'ultra0', 'ultra1', and 'mac-io'. No dice.

This is the strangest machine I've ever seen. At the very least, it has never liked Mac OS X.
 
@z970mp, this is a total shot in the dark. I have zero first-hand knowledge of B&W's so take this for what it's worth.

OK, it's my understanding B&W's don't support Target Disk Mode. But, you've got other PPC Macs laying around, perhaps even running Tiger or OS 9? Why not put one of those into TDM, connect it to your B&W, then use whatever weird boot picker the B&W uses to boot into that? Even if B&W doesn't support TDM, it should still see a TDM'd Mac's drives like it would any other FireWire external disk. You might even be able to use the ODD from the TDM'd Mac. If that works, you should at least be able to access your B&W's HDD and monkey around with it that way.
 
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Raging Dufus said:
Yes. But for the benefit of those who don't, why don't you write a little something about it?
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OK cool. What do you use Sheepshaver for, and why use it on a PC? Do you have a Mac?

EDIT: Another thing Jordan, in case you didn't know. You see how my posts got merged into one? That happens here too. I'm not sure why, but if you don't wait long enough between posts in the same thread, MR merges them into one post. It gets ugly sometimes.
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I don't have a Mac. A 2010 Mac Pro is my server, but I don't have any more Macs, and absolutely no PowerPC Macs.
 
Raging Dufus said:
@z970mp, this is a total shot in the dark. I have zero first-hand knowledge of B&W's so take this for what it's worth.

OK, it's my understanding B&W's don't support Target Disk Mode. But, you've got other PPC Macs laying around, perhaps even running Tiger or OS 9? Why not put one of those into TDM, connect it to your B&W, then use whatever weird boot picker the B&W uses to boot into that? Even if B&W doesn't support TDM, it should still see a TDM'd Mac's drives like it would any other FireWire external disk. You might even be able to use the ODD from the TDM'd Mac. If that works, you should at least be able to access your B&W's HDD and monkey around with it that way.
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Will do.
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Jordan XP said:
I don't have a Mac. A 2010 Mac Pro is my server, but I don't have any more Macs, and absolutely no PowerPC Macs.
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Do you at least plan on getting one?
 
Raging Dufus said:
@z970mp, this is a total shot in the dark. I have zero first-hand knowledge of B&W's so take this for what it's worth.

OK, it's my understanding B&W's don't support Target Disk Mode. But, you've got other PPC Macs laying around, perhaps even running Tiger or OS 9? Why not put one of those into TDM, connect it to your B&W, then use whatever weird boot picker the B&W uses to boot into that? Even if B&W doesn't support TDM, it should still see a TDM'd Mac's drives like it would any other FireWire external disk. You might even be able to use the ODD from the TDM'd Mac. If that works, you should at least be able to access your B&W's HDD and monkey around with it that way.
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I thought the B&W didn't support boot over firewire? https://lowendmac.com/1999/blue-and-white-power-mac-g3/

@z970mp what does printenv boot-device say under common and under signature?
 
Jordan XP said:
I don't have a Mac. A 2010 Mac Pro is my server, but I don't have any more Macs, and absolutely no PowerPC Macs.
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Perhaps a bit of gentle advice if I may:

Enthusiasm is a GREAT thing, and PPC Macs would have been dead years ago if not for a community of very enthusiastic folks who keep them going.

With that said, emulation is quite a different thing from running the stuff on real hardware. I have more hardware(spanning nearly 30 years of Macintosh history) than I care to admit.

Back when @LightBulbFun didn't have a whole lot of hardware to use, he'd often work things up in an emulator and send them to me to test on the actual hardware that I have as time and motivation permitted. Although it usually MOSTLY worked out of the box, there were often teething pains and we've spent our fair share of time in live chats, Facetime, and in TeamViewer with him tweaking stuff to make it work...and even then there's still stuff up in the air(getting Leopard running on a Lombard PowerBook is one of those).

So, I'll gently suggest that it's not always prudent to give advice without having actual experience with the hardware you're advising on.

As a bit of a different example, in my day job I do a whole, whole lot with GC-MS(gas chromatography-mass spectroscopy), and 99% of my experience plus probably better than 95% of what I know is with Hewlett Packard/Agilent instruments. If someone has a problem with an Agilent, particularly a model I know well, I can often diagnose it over the phone or through email. Thermo has been aggressively courting us, and we have a few of them around. If I'm sitting in front of a Thermo GC-MS, I can often figure out what needs to be done and at least get some idea of what's going on, but I also can't take a phone call and walk someone through how to troubleshoot when I'm nowhere nearby like I can with an Agilent 5971 or 5975.
 
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XaPHER said:
I thought the B&W didn't support boot over firewire? https://lowendmac.com/1999/blue-and-white-power-mac-g3/
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Well if that's true, I've got nothing. B&W's being quirky though, maybe his will? Who knows? I don't.

Anyway, @bunnspecial made mention of blessing the system folder. Somewhere in the dusty corners of my brain, something keeps nagging me about that, and I think maybe more needs to be made of it. Unfortunately it's been too long ago for me to remember clearly, and everything I can find via Google suggests that unless 9 and X live on separate partitions, blessing is useless because a boot picker won't see 9. Probably less than helpful, I'm just thinking out loud here.
 
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Raging Dufus said:
Well if that's true, I've got nothing. B&W's being quirky though, maybe his will? Who knows? I don't.

Anyway, @bunnspecial made mention of blessing the system folder. Somewhere in the dusty corners of my brain, something keeps nagging me about that, and I think maybe more needs to be made of it. Unfortunately it's been too long ago for me to remember clearly, and everything I can find via Google suggests that unless 9 and X live on separate partitions, blessing is useless because a boot picker won't see 9. Probably less than helpful, I'm just thinking out loud here.
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It didn't see the TDM Mac, but I did give it one last chance to try to boot from Tiger while in multi-boot.

All of a sudden, it decided to work. I got rid of the OS 9 folders, repaired permissions, and now Yaboot can finally boot into it again.

Thank you all, all is well now. :)
 
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Jordan XP said:
What forum should I go to for PowerPC Macs?
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You are in the right form forum for PowerPC Macs. But, as others have mentioned, emulation is not the same as using real hardware. Even virtualization behaves different and it works on a completely other layer than emulation.

You are absolutely welcome here and please keep your enthusiasm! But please keep in mind that we might have completely other problems that you because often we are limited in hardware capability.

Btw. why don't you plan on getting a Mac?
My first "Mac" was OS X 10.2 Jaguar in SheepShaver on a Core2Duo windows tower.
Next was a Toshiba notebook with an AMD Turion 64 x2 1.8GHz and this:
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This was in 2007 and I was young, naive and full of enthusiasm :cool: Apple Burnrights... :rolleyes:

Then came a brand new MacBook Pro in 2010 which sadly died out of nowhere after 374 days. The Apple repair shop I brought it to said there was water inside and they couldn't do anything. Yeah, just that before I gave it to them the little dot was NOT red but now it is... can't prove it though..

In the following years there were several experiments with the following but none of them were as pleasing as the MBP :(
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In 2015 I got my first PPC, an eMac 1.25 for 21€- still one of my favourites!

So, @Jordan XP why don't you get a cheap PPC, pimp it as much as you can and enjoy the real PowerPC Mac feeling? :cool:

(...written on a 1.5GHz Mac Mini G4)
 
amagichnich said:
That's awesome!!
Just out of curiosity, how did you setup the gopher server? Did you use some of the tools from floodgap?
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Nope, There is no Bucktooth server (Floodgap’s gopher server) that could run Mac OS 7.5.3 that I run this particular BasiliskII emulator VM.
Here I use NetPresenz, which include a gopher server (as well as a http and ftp server).
Very easy to set up, activate file sharing for guest to your HD, set the gopher server root directory to the folder you want and go.

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You can just place the files/folders you want to share in that directory, the server will list them.
Or if you want something nicer you can place a "!Gopher Links" text file , which acts like the index file of the directory, on which you can put a nice ascii art and links and other stuffs.
This is how my "!Gopher Links" text file looks :
Code: 
    i                     WELCOME ON THE      
    i    ____  __ __   ____   _____  _____ __  __ _____ _____      
    i    ||=)  || || _(( ___ ((   )) ||_// ||==|| ||==  ||_//      
    i    ||_)) || ||   \\_||  \\_//  ||    ||  || ||___ || \\      
    i    ------------------------------------------------------                  
    i    •      A Gopher Server hosted on a System 7.5.3      
    i    •    BasiliskII virtual machine, run by NetPresenz      
    1    Classic-Pi Gopher Server        192.168.0.24    70
    7    Search    7Index  
    8    ToolDaemon-Telnet-Connect    galgot    192.168.0.43    23
Images    1    Images      
Stuff    1    Stuff

But have a gopher server running on the Linux host Raspberry-Pi too :) And this one indeed is Floodgap’s Bucktooth . Runs very well too. But the way to set it up is very different.
The way the index page file is formatted is a bit different too.
 
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Deleting programs generally is a good way to free up space in any OS...

VMs and emulators can turn in to space hogs anyway, especially if you give them a large virtual disk.
 
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