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Yourbigpalal83

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So i watched WWDC and the Apple Intellegence bit and all that, having just recently bought the 11 inch iPad Pro 256 Gig with OLED, and since its still within its return window...its going back.

Heres the thing...WWDC killed any lingering enthusiam i had for iPads in general. I've been using iPads since the first generation and i got to tell you, the magic for me is long dead.

Oh don't get me wrong, they are marvels of technology, considering growing up as a kid, I was a huge Star Trek The Next Generation fan and the idea of a touch screen computer device for real i never actually thought I'd live to see the day it became real, but low and behold, the early Iphones and the first Gen Ipad proved me wrong and even though those products have evolved so much since then, they feel so...Borning.

No matter what tier of iPad you buy, you still cant get as much work done on them as a laptop or desktop...and they really feel to me after all these years like half of what could be a fantastic computer but apple's own stubborness wont let it be what it truly can be.

Like if apple just blended the Ipads and Touch Screen Technology with their mac line, you would have perfect devices. Imagine an Ipad Pro that worked like a laptop when you needed it, then you took it off the keyboard stand and it was a tablet, or a desktop simular to the Imac 4G sunflower with a adjustable rotatable OLED Touch Screen yet still came with a standard keyboard and mouse when you wanted to use it as a desktop machine then it folded down to be used as a drawing/touch interface machine for various projects.

Problem is...APPLE WONT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR STUBBORNESS with the Ipads...they NEED to sell ipads alongside Laptops, desktops and the Phones....

Imagine a iPhone pro that opens into a ipad mini for on the go use...Samsung and other companies have devices like that, its a phone when you need it that opens to a portable tablet! Yes they are expensive and not without their issues, but its possable.

I doubt apple will ever do that because they don't want to canabalize the sales of their Ipad minis....

Why have a Macbook/Ipad Pro device when you can sell two seperate devices.

Honestly, its apple's stubbornness in not putting in touch screen into their computers that just ruins the whole experence for me because now you have a tablet that apple will only let go so far, and Laptops that could be much more but they wont because they need two product lines so they sell more volume.

Ipads are borning now...so are the phones cause their is only so much you can do with them in their current form. I wasn't expecting much from WWDC but they really nurffed the Ipad Pro....

It has a M4 chip in it, no other computer they make has that...and yet, outside of the OLED Screen it does the exact same stuff the older pros did for the past 6 years.

I've tried so hard to tell myself i still love Apple products, but after this WWDC i just cant do it. They are still playing catchup with Android at this point!

I cant be the only one that feels this way. Its so fustrating cause these devices could do so much more, be so much more, yet apple doesnt let them!
 

cupcakes2000

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I agree to a point.

I like and use daily and am most definitely not bored with my iPads. I find them extremely useful.

Half the problem is a substantial number of app devs (including apples own apps), treat it as a second class citizen compared to a traditional system, or worse treat it as a large phone.

The other half is as you say, apples reluctance to merge the benefits of the Mac with the benefits of the iPad for some of either line up. Its infuriating, and clearly a decision based on money.
 

Webcat86

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Not half as bored as I am with the conversation around iPads not being good enough.

Why can't people accept that the iPad is its own product line? It is the consumer, not Apple, that has decided the iPad is something else and then gets angry that Apple hasn't made it happen.

Certainly, there are improvements I want to see with the iPad, but ultimately it's a simple question: does it do what you need? If yes, buy it. If no, don't buy it.

What problem is a phone/tablet solving? I mean, you realise that is going in the completely opposite direction to a tablet with MacOS, right?
 

zakarhino

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The iPad to me has always been "a bigger iPhone." That's how I've primarily enjoyed it since the first one came out in 2010 and that's how I enjoy it today. People used to use that phrase (and still do) as a critique of the iPad but to me it's its greatest strength. The productivity enhancements they've made are bonuses for me and some of them I don't even use because I have a Mac for when I need to get real work done.

I'm in the camp of people that don't want the iPad to compromise one ounce of its usability and tablet-first design for the sake of becoming more of a Mac replacement. I'd like the iPad to be more capable but solutions like dual booting or having modes that can only really be used with the Magic Keyboard + Trackpad are compromises not worth making because it will inevitably be a jack of all trades and master of none. Right now it's a master of being a tablet. In other words: a bigger iPhone.

That being said, the larger screen does mean apps should incorporate UX/UI elements that take advantage of it so the "it's a bigger iPhone" statement is not the whole truth I suppose.
 
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Puonti

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No.

To elaborate, the iPads as they have existed so far have done what I need them to do in my tech lineup. I wouldn't be opposed to them doing even more, but that openness to more capabilities does not inform my buying decisions.

Besides, occasional boredom is good for you.
 

zakarhino

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I agree to a point.

I like and use daily and am most definitely not bored with my iPads. I find them extremely useful.

Half the problem is a substantial number of app devs (including apples own apps), treat it as a second class citizen compared to a traditional system, or worse treat it as a large phone.

The other half is as you say, apples reluctance to merge the benefits of the Mac with the benefits of the iPad for some of either line up. Its infuriating, and clearly a decision based on money.

Yes I think you have it right. A lot of the responsibility is on devs to build new apps. For example I would like a native GitHub Codespaces app on iPad, using it in the browser is compromised. Asking for a full dev experience running on iPad (rather than the cloud) is not going to happen, Apple won't let it.

One app that gets it mostly right is Logic Pro, it feels like it was explicitly designed for the iPad UX so that you can get 70-80% of the way there before finishing it off in the desktop app. Final Cut is similar.

There are many apps that could function this way but the iPad is not an important enough player for most to warrant investment into building first class apps for it. Companies/devs make desktop apps because that's the default for 'real work' and then they'll make an iPhone companion app if necessary. From there the iPad is simply an exercise in adapting the iPhone app to look right on the larger iPad screen, so iPad specific features and entire apps dedicated to the iPad UX are never considered.
 
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HarryVafias

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So i watched WWDC and the Apple Intellegence bit and all that, having just recently bought the 11 inch iPad Pro 256 Gig with OLED, and since its still within its return window...its going back.

Heres the thing...WWDC killed any lingering enthusiam i had for iPads in general. I've been using iPads since the first generation and i got to tell you, the magic for me is long dead.

Oh don't get me wrong, they are marvels of technology, considering growing up as a kid, I was a huge Star Trek The Next Generation fan and the idea of a touch screen computer device for real i never actually thought I'd live to see the day it became real, but low and behold, the early Iphones and the first Gen Ipad proved me wrong and even though those products have evolved so much since then, they feel so...Borning.

No matter what tier of iPad you buy, you still cant get as much work done on them as a laptop or desktop...and they really feel to me after all these years like half of what could be a fantastic computer but apple's own stubborness wont let it be what it truly can be.

Like if apple just blended the Ipads and Touch Screen Technology with their mac line, you would have perfect devices. Imagine an Ipad Pro that worked like a laptop when you needed it, then you took it off the keyboard stand and it was a tablet, or a desktop simular to the Imac 4G sunflower with a adjustable rotatable OLED Touch Screen yet still came with a standard keyboard and mouse when you wanted to use it as a desktop machine then it folded down to be used as a drawing/touch interface machine for various projects.

Problem is...APPLE WONT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR STUBBORNESS with the Ipads...they NEED to sell ipads alongside Laptops, desktops and the Phones....

Imagine a iPhone pro that opens into a ipad mini for on the go use...Samsung and other companies have devices like that, its a phone when you need it that opens to a portable tablet! Yes they are expensive and not without their issues, but its possable.

I doubt apple will ever do that because they don't want to canabalize the sales of their Ipad minis....

Why have a Macbook/Ipad Pro device when you can sell two seperate devices.

Honestly, its apple's stubbornness in not putting in touch screen into their computers that just ruins the whole experence for me because now you have a tablet that apple will only let go so far, and Laptops that could be much more but they wont because they need two product lines so they sell more volume.

Ipads are borning now...so are the phones cause their is only so much you can do with them in their current form. I wasn't expecting much from WWDC but they really nurffed the Ipad Pro....

It has a M4 chip in it, no other computer they make has that...and yet, outside of the OLED Screen it does the exact same stuff the older pros did for the past 6 years.

I've tried so hard to tell myself i still love Apple products, but after this WWDC i just cant do it. They are still playing catchup with Android at this point!

I cant be the only one that feels this way. Its so fustrating cause these devices could do so much more, be so much more, yet apple doesnt let them!
 
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HarryVafias

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I wouldn’t say bored exactly. But got my M1 iPad Pro as a laptop replacement as that was the add at that time and sold my 2013 MacBook Pro. In its current state I have now a 1TB M1 iPad Pro only for movies due to the 13 inch screen. That been said I ordered a MacBook Air and definitely from now on I will go with iPad Air. There is no reason to get the pro at its current state. iPad Air for multimedia is more than enough.
 

stocklen

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So i watched WWDC and the Apple Intellegence bit and all that, having just recently bought the 11 inch iPad Pro 256 Gig with OLED, and since its still within its return window...its going back.

Heres the thing...WWDC killed any lingering enthusiam i had for iPads in general. I've been using iPads since the first generation and i got to tell you, the magic for me is long dead.

Oh don't get me wrong, they are marvels of technology, considering growing up as a kid, I was a huge Star Trek The Next Generation fan and the idea of a touch screen computer device for real i never actually thought I'd live to see the day it became real, but low and behold, the early Iphones and the first Gen Ipad proved me wrong and even though those products have evolved so much since then, they feel so...Borning.

No matter what tier of iPad you buy, you still cant get as much work done on them as a laptop or desktop...and they really feel to me after all these years like half of what could be a fantastic computer but apple's own stubborness wont let it be what it truly can be.

Like if apple just blended the Ipads and Touch Screen Technology with their mac line, you would have perfect devices. Imagine an Ipad Pro that worked like a laptop when you needed it, then you took it off the keyboard stand and it was a tablet, or a desktop simular to the Imac 4G sunflower with a adjustable rotatable OLED Touch Screen yet still came with a standard keyboard and mouse when you wanted to use it as a desktop machine then it folded down to be used as a drawing/touch interface machine for various projects.

Problem is...APPLE WONT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR STUBBORNESS with the Ipads...they NEED to sell ipads alongside Laptops, desktops and the Phones....

Imagine a iPhone pro that opens into a ipad mini for on the go use...Samsung and other companies have devices like that, its a phone when you need it that opens to a portable tablet! Yes they are expensive and not without their issues, but its possable.

I doubt apple will ever do that because they don't want to canabalize the sales of their Ipad minis....

Why have a Macbook/Ipad Pro device when you can sell two seperate devices.

Honestly, its apple's stubbornness in not putting in touch screen into their computers that just ruins the whole experence for me because now you have a tablet that apple will only let go so far, and Laptops that could be much more but they wont because they need two product lines so they sell more volume.

Ipads are borning now...so are the phones cause their is only so much you can do with them in their current form. I wasn't expecting much from WWDC but they really nurffed the Ipad Pro....

It has a M4 chip in it, no other computer they make has that...and yet, outside of the OLED Screen it does the exact same stuff the older pros did for the past 6 years.

I've tried so hard to tell myself i still love Apple products, but after this WWDC i just cant do it. They are still playing catchup with Android at this point!

I cant be the only one that feels this way. Its so fustrating cause these devices could do so much more, be so much more, yet apple doesnt let them!

Honestly if you have one and dont like it... then sell it.

Get a MacBook - thats what you seem to want.
Horses for courses as the saying goes.

The M4 in the iPad pro is massively overpowered but people continue to fixate on the OS and for some reason NOT the apps its there to support.

Since when do you spend your time mucking about in the OS - the OS is there to get you where you need to be quickly and easily - and iPad does that remarkably well. It certainly has no business being 'MacOS'

M4 and the iPad Pro is designed for Pro workflows including the Pro apps - its for people that want to run Final Cut Pro etc - and if that paradigm isnt suitable then that person will buy a MacBook to do their pro editing on. Obviously the M4 is massively overpowered for notes, mail, safari, messages etc etc etc.... but thats not why people buy the pro model.
 

Webcat86

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but thats not why people buy the pro model.
Agree with all that but personally I bought the Pro because sometimes it's nice to have the best version of something. The iPP having the OLED screen, thunderbolt and being the most future-proofed with the M4 chip made it more appealing to me.

The way I see it, the iPad isn't a device that needs changing every year or 2 so it makes sense to buy the best one a person's budget allows — especially with AI. We've already seen the very latest iPhones not all being compatible with Apple Intelligence, for example.

So when I bought my iPad, I went into it with the mindset of "which one of these am I most likely to still be using in 5 years from now?" At this moment in the development of tech, that question isn't about how long the device will physically work, but how long before it can't keep up with the updates.
 

Webcat86

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It cemented that I have zero interest in buying a new one. This iPad Pro 2018 + AP2 is going to last me a very long time.
Yes, and although lots of people seem to portray this as a negative, personally I think it's a great thing.

They're expensive devices that we want to last a long time, so I'm very happy that they don't need changing frequently.
 

RRC

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Not in the slightest, probably the best software update for iOS maybe ever!

And Apple are playing catch-up with no one... there's a reason they're the largest and most respected in their entire market.

If someone needs a mac, buy and use a mac.

If someone wants an iPad to do different stuff on, then there's an option for that.

Combining the two basically ends the life and hits sales massively of one item, why would Apple do that?!
 
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Digital Dude

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I’m on my fifth iPad and I like it for what it is while understanding what it isn’t. There are days when I wish I could swap it out for a surface pro for business. Yeah I know, but I’ve grown long in the tooth with apple’s TikTok format of software. Sometimes I feel like I’m using a toy. 🫤
 
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Unami

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No, they are still just as nice as the first Generation (although Battery life was better back then). But they haven‘t evolved a lot, except for pencil support.

The iPad is my primary device for surfing the web, playing casual games and doing light photo-editing in Lightroom. My Kid loves it for watching youtube-videos. I find the notion of lugging around a huge phone ridiculous - those are imho still too small for doing that stuff.

But I can understand your frustration. So much power in such a crippled OS. I was hoping for some real changes too (e.g. make the files-app better)
 
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