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spinedoc77

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Need to justify? Go find me a phone with a 7.3 screen which you can put in your pocket. You can't. It is laughable that one is blinded to this fact

My 7.9" ipad mini fits into my back jeans pocket. But it's obviously bulky and not somewhere I'd keep it other than to transport it, then I'd take it right out. Now if I could fold the ipad mini in half and put it in my front pocket I'd be set, hmm but no one has invented that yet have they?
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Way to take an argument, completely misunderstand it, and blow it out of proportion.

This is like the Zune of takes.

People are bending over backwards to justify this product. It's laughable.

I'd advise you to read your own words if you need to find "the Zune of takes" (ie: a take that will be outdated very quickly). Sure I'm exaggerating a bit in my sarcasm, but there is a lot of truth in there. Who says no one wants a larger screen to check email for example? Probably the same "Zune-like" type of person who said this about tablets in general, or even about smartphones back when they were first introduced. Everything you can do on a larger screen you can do on a smaller screen, so why bother with a larger screen at all? Go return your 6.0" phone for a 4.0" phone. Now return that 4.0" phone for a flip phone, mission accomplished. After all no one wants to check email on a 6.0" screen.

I do understand that you are specifically calling out Samsung's design, but you do also state many issues with the entire segment without having the foresight to realize that it's only a single design and one of the first of its kind. I don't think it's a very good design either, but that doesn't mean I want to throw out the entire idea of a foldable phone out the window. It actually gives me the opposite effect, it makes me excited to see how Samsung, Microsoft, Google, Apple and other hardware manufacturers will take the ball and run. Xioami and Huawei already have superior designs which haven't been made public yet.
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I can easily justify paying $1980 for the Fold considering it's an actual piece of innovation, and the Specs it carries make it very future proof, 12GB RAM and 512GB UFS3.0 Memory, most phones are only getting 8GB RAM this year, so the Fold is going to work as quite the test device, Samsung thought this device out very well, this is how you release a V1 of a product, load it with as much new tech as possible and make it as future proof as possible.

The only thing that would stop me paying $1980 for the Fold is if it gets competitors that are just as good or better at a lower price, hehe and within the next 24hours we will see a very potent competitor being revealed, me thinks.

Yep, the Huawei device is set to be unveiled today, and from the leaked poster it looks superior in form at least. Many don't understand that Samsung is releasing this as a luxury/status device, they are only estimated to ship 1 million of them. For me it's worth it if I can ditch my tablet. I'm far from convinced on Samsung's design and highly doubt I would purchase it, but I'm definitely on board with Xioami or Huawei's designs so far pending their release and pricing.
 
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djas

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It's funny how people remain glued to their system of choice and won't budge. I'm like that with iOS

All's good. If it works for you, it works for you.


I gave the money because it's a great charity and I have cancer myself (Hodgkins and non Hodgkins). Plus I've been aware by how much money I've spent on myself on tech; I wanted to help someone else out. The charity is quite small and they were delighted with the donation.

Our best to you. All our best wishes in your recovery and kudos again for your donations. Work hard, study hard and play hard my parents always say.

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spinedoc77

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Excellent, seems to work well even when Folded, someone here said that it's a bad phone when Folded, hopefully that person posts a review for us since they have used the phone, nobody can be stupid enough to make such statements before actually using the phone, surely.

Really looks good, seems Instagram is well optimized for it to, something that I have been wanting for my iPad for a LONG time.

This phone seems to easily replace a Phone and Tablet at one go, a true convergence device, and as the technology for these matures we should start seeing Foldables with 8-8.5inch Displays in the near future, cannot wait guess my current Apple iPad will be my last tablet.

When Apple eventually release their Foldable, we will see the haters suddenly change.

Same guys who are hating this device were the guys who claimed they didn't need a phone with more than a 3.5inch Display until Apple brought the iPhone 5

Great video, that lets me see the functionality much more so than the keynote video. I take away my thoughts of definitely not buying this, now I'm a definite maybe. That video shows how slick of a device it is. Samsung is also one of the best companies out there in terms of modifying Android to their own needs and I have no doubt we will see innovations on the software/OS side as well.
 

tbayrgs

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I haven’t noticed in any of the tidbits of info I’ve seen or read. What is this device using for security? I haven’t seen a FP sensor used in any video....
 

Lobwedgephil

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I don't understand why the display on the from is so small, what am I missing?

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tbayrgs

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I don't understand why the display on the from is so small, what am I missing?

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I’m going to guess it has something to do with the aspect ratio. If you filled the entire (or nearly the entire) front with a display, the resulting screen would be extra tall and skinny, a format Android apps aren’t prepared to accommodate. I’m sure there’s a cost component as well—bigger display costs more so either less margin or an even higher price.
[doublepost=1551044377][/doublepost]It’s certainly an intriguing device. I’ll personally wait a generation or two to let Samsung work out the kinks and let devs take time to optimize their apps to better take advantage of that inside screen real estate.

My personal wish list:
  • Wider halves. It’s too skinny when folded. I’d rather have a form factor closer to the 2:1 we’re seeing on current smartphones. That would allow a larger display on the folded half when the device is folded closed. It would also mean an even larger unfolded display.
  • Reduced notch on the inner display. I’d be just fine with a single lens here. In fact, I’d forgo an inside camera all together as I only use it for the rare selfie and some video calling, both of which could be accomplished on the phone sized display side.
I’m also very cautious about the look and feel of the inside display. I really don’t want to ditch flat glass for plastic unless it’s nearly indistinguishable.
 

Mellofello808

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I'm still not sure I understand what problem the foldable display purports to solve.
At work:

I work out in the field. I need to look.at schematics, and also show them to clients, and colleagues. I don't really need a laptop for this, but current phone sizes are too small, and not square enough for my purposes. So I carry a iPad with me all the time both for the bigger screen, but also the better aspect ratio. This means I constantly need a bag, and need to keep 2 devices charged which is super inconvenient.

A folding screen phone would be absolutely perfect for my uses

Off work:

I travel a lot. Lots of time on planes, trains, and automobiles. Again I am in a situation where I can choose to watch a movie on my phone, or grab my iPad. I pack super light so it always bugs me to have to lug my iPad. A folding screen would be perfect.

The vast majority of what I do with my personal time is reading books, graphic novels, and articles on my phone. Reading on a nice square 8 inch screen is vastly superior to a super narrow phone screen.

I am totally on board with this idea, and I am someone who could benefit from having a phone that turned into a tablet every single day.
 

djas

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I think:

  • Front screen = one-handed operation where your finger(s) or thumb able to reach all points of the display screen.
  • Tablet Screen = two-handed operation.

Maybe.

Mr
 

Ralfi

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I think:

  • Front screen = one-handed operation where your finger(s) or thumb able to reach all points of the display screen.
  • Tablet Screen = two-handed operation.

Maybe.

Mr
Front screen size needs to appeal to the most people, so 5.8” should cover those with small-average hand span.

Then, if 5.8” could fold out twice, anyone who now owns a giant sized phone will be happy.

Ie. Everyone’s covered.

The key is smaller screen. It’s gotto be bezel-less & one-hand-friendly for most of us.
 

Tsepz

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I don't understand why the display on the from is so small, what am I missing?

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It's a V1 product.

As much as people are trying to create use cases and downgrade from their current +6inch display phones, this is a V1.

We should see Samsung implement a proper 6inch display at the front by the Galaxy Fold 2 or Fold 3 when they figure out how to make the hinge smaller.

With this current Galaxy Fold, 95% of the time you will need to open device, even when you want to type out a Quick Text.
 

mib1800

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It's a V1 product.

As much as people are trying to create use cases and downgrade from their current +6inch display phones, this is a V1.

We should see Samsung implement a proper 6inch display at the front by the Galaxy Fold 2 or Fold 3 when they figure out how to make the hinge smaller.

With this current Galaxy Fold, 95% of the time you will need to open device, even when you want to type out a Quick Text.

Many survive with the iPhone SE. So for most normal quick text or tasks while on the move, the front screen maybe sufficient. For those who use swipe typing, it won't be an issue. I would say it is better since you can really use the phone one handed compared to Huawei 6.6in folded screen which maybe too wide for one handed use.
 
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oneMadRssn

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At work:

I work out in the field. I need to look.at schematics, and also show them to clients, and colleagues. I don't really need a laptop for this, but current phone sizes are too small, and not square enough for my purposes. So I carry a iPad with me all the time both for the bigger screen, but also the better aspect ratio. This means I constantly need a bag, and need to keep 2 devices charged which is super inconvenient.

A folding screen phone would be absolutely perfect for my uses

Off work:

I travel a lot. Lots of time on planes, trains, and automobiles. Again I am in a situation where I can choose to watch a movie on my phone, or grab my iPad. I pack super light so it always bugs me to have to lug my iPad. A folding screen would be perfect.

The vast majority of what I do with my personal time is reading books, graphic novels, and articles on my phone. Reading on a nice square 8 inch screen is vastly superior to a super narrow phone screen.

I am totally on board with this idea, and I am someone who could benefit from having a phone that turned into a tablet every single day.

These are definitely interesting use cases. My worry with your use cases is power consumption though. An iPad isn't just a large screen, it's also a large battery. And screens use a lot of power. A device with a tablet-sized screen but a smartphone-sized battery is going to run out of power really quickly when using the unfolded large screen. Or, the battery is going to have to get thicker to compensate.
 

spinedoc77

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These are definitely interesting use cases. My worry with your use cases is power consumption though. An iPad isn't just a large screen, it's also a large battery. And screens use a lot of power. A device with a tablet-sized screen but a smartphone-sized battery is going to run out of power really quickly when using the unfolded large screen. Or, the battery is going to have to get thicker to compensate.

Certainly a good point. From what I understand the Mate and Fold have smartphone sized batteries, so this may be an issue if tablet mode is used a lot. But still, I believe these charge up to 80% in 30 minutes or something like that. With that said I still wonder why they couldn't fit larger batteries into these, I believe the Fold has 2 batteries, 1 in each unit. You would think they could at least get somewhat close to double a smartphone battery.
 

oneMadRssn

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Certainly a good point. From what I understand the Mate and Fold have smartphone sized batteries, so this may be an issue if tablet mode is used a lot. But still, I believe these charge up to 80% in 30 minutes or something like that. With that said I still wonder why they couldn't fit larger batteries into these, I believe the Fold has 2 batteries, 1 in each unit. You would think they could at least get somewhat close to double a smartphone battery.

It's all related, right? If a smartphone is usually 8mm thick, then a foldable smartphone with two batteries will be 16mm thick when folded. That will work, but that's thicker than most people will accept for a pocketable device these days.

I guess, as always, it comes down to battery tech. Flexible screens are cool and all, but the bottleneck right now for almost all consumer tech is batteries. We need batteries that are smaller in size and larger in capacity.
 
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djas

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Front screen size needs to appeal to the most people, so 5.8” should cover those with small-average hand span.

Then, if 5.8” could fold out twice, anyone who now owns a giant sized phone will be happy.

Ie. Everyone’s covered.

The key is smaller screen. It’s gotto be bezel-less & one-hand-friendly for most of us.

Many survive with the iPhone SE. So for most normal quick text or tasks while on the move, the front screen maybe sufficient. For those who use swipe typing, it won't be an issue. I would say it is better since you can really use the phone one handed compared to Huawei 6.6in folded screen which maybe too wide for one handed use.


Yes I agree. You explained better than I did.



Edit:

I sometime uses a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 as a big-screen phone on days when I know my Note 5's screen is too small for work productivity & tasks. Not pocketable at all hence why a Note version of the Fold is very appealing to me.

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Lerxt

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Not a chance. Just another junky, poor quality phone with a backward, spyware prone OS.
 

pika2000

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I think:

  • Front screen = one-handed operation where your finger(s) or thumb able to reach all points of the display screen.
  • Tablet Screen = two-handed operation.

Maybe.

Mr
But the front screen is placed quite high in the center with a huge bottom bezel. You would still need to stretch quite a bit to reach the top. The one-handed reasoning would've made more sense if the front screen was located further down near the bottom bezel.
 
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