They are specifying the CPU and GPU cores along with the processor. So the next generation M1 would be a 10/12 core M1 processor vs the 8 core one now. Easy. Or they could do what Intel does. 2nd generation M1 processor.
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Anyone else feel that Apple nailed it with the new Apple Silicon machines?
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That might be possible. I do not think that will be the case as iPhone and iPad are A series chips and not different letters.
I think it would make more sense coming from the Intel naming to have m1, m2, m3, ... Just like i3 vs i7. Which one is better?
I checked Linus' video yesterday evening.
It seems the new security features inside the M1 will make it extremely difficult to install unsigned apps.
So, while my fear of a app store only policy went down a notch or two, it seems they're indeed going to have a as closed as we can environment.
I mean, knowing Apple's terms and conditions, and their habit to sometimes change them at will depending on the weather, getting signed might not be a walk in the park for quite a few developers.
Even more so if you release software in a category that Apple deem unacceptable.
What they would consider acceptable or not, well, that would remain to be seen.
It seems the new security features inside the M1 will make it extremely difficult to install unsigned apps.
So, while my fear of a app store only policy went down a notch or two, it seems they're indeed going to have a as closed as we can environment.
I mean, knowing Apple's terms and conditions, and their habit to sometimes change them at will depending on the weather, getting signed might not be a walk in the park for quite a few developers.
Even more so if you release software in a category that Apple deem unacceptable.
What they would consider acceptable or not, well, that would remain to be seen.
Don't agree, but us Apple users have always been fodder for the profit margin. And with tonights 10/11/2020 update candidate 2.11.0.1 blowing up people's systems all over and sending them to a recovery disk they don't have, I suspect Apple's support lines are booked solid tonight? I did it and got the same results, but if you point to your main disk and not a mythical recovery disk that is focused, after three reboots it will come back.
So you're suggesting that the Apple MacBook Pro with 16Gb of RAM, 2Tb of storage and the M1 chip for over $2k is entry level. If so, you and I live in different realities.
The Tiger Lake chip is hitting all of the big name laptops this week and over the next two, to beat Black Friday. P.s. They also get 17-20 hours of life if Acer and HP are to be believed (any more or less than an Apple dog and pony show).
Your third bullet - So sell a system that cannot run all apps, and tell the user to stick around for "One more thing, sometime later?" Wow.
You are right, if enough power users are willing to plop down $2k to be guinea pigs for the sampling size, Apple can (and will) be the benefactor.
I sold my HP Chromebook that I got on 9/14/20, pre-ordered the new Tiger Lake HP, and will sell that if Apple releases a fully updated 14" mini LED next year with 1080p camera, and very close to an edge to edge touch screen. Otherwise I'll keep the HP and learn to be happy with both a Windows and Mac OS.
Yes, it sounds like I'm a troll from the MS camp, but that is not close to true. I've transitioned between Mac and Windows for the last 20 years, and this is just a state of transition. The camp that exacts the most money from me during transitions is hands down Apple. My iPhone 12 Pro Max with 256 is ordered from Apple.com and I'm trading in my 11. My 2018 Mac mini w/32Gb RAM and 128Gb storage is for sale, and I will be buying the new one for my desktop needs (sooner than later). I'll round out my wheelhouse when the next laptop series arrives, unless it is the 16" because I have no need for that screen over the 14", nor do I want to pay the $800-1000 premium. My Mac mini drives my ultra-wide 42" just fine, and I expect the new one will shine brighter.
It's a massively blown business opportunity. They released the updated Macbook Pro's just a couple months ago, and now they are releasing the exact same model with an updated chip AND NO PRICE DROP(?). AAPL is up $3.52 on the day, so the markets agree with you, but the proof will be 4th quarter sales of the new product line, and it won't touch the 3rd quarter Mac sales. I only own 155 shares, so the impact is not going to push me to a second retirement, and I seriously hope I'm wrong because I bought on speck after the 4 for 1 split. I won't complain about the one day $500 plus growth, but it's a paper win, and AAPL's paper has been all over the road with the new lawsuit/payment order, and the ongoing battery settlement. There's more out there, so I'm watching.
Developers have several lawsuits filed within California, and without Federally. Right now I'm torn on who's side I fall on. I develop in Xcode, but it's not my product. If that goes away I get more free time. From a total power on to power off security perspective I'm with Apple, but as a owner of a couple of their products I will have less liberty that I currently milk from the kitten as it is. Those who give up a little liberty for security deserve neither...
I had to parlay this argument with the two sides of my brain today. The new M1 MBP was a major want, but it came out as a wait until the 2021 redesign. That being the case, and hoping to use the new MBP as a "does it all" desktop doc replacement for my 2018 Mac mini, I've decided to buy the new Mac mini and live with the limitations. My MM has 32Gb of DDR4, but only the i3. I've not been able to tax it to shutter, but it does get warm doing video. I'll take what is in effect an 8x gain in CPU performance, and live with the 16GB of RAM. If the new M1 is all it says it is then I should not need to focus on RAM as much, as most of those instructions don't have to rent a bus in RAM only to be returned direct to the CPU. $100 less, yeah, so what. If you get the unit with 16Gb of RAM and at least 512Gb of SSD (mins in my opinion) you're still out $1,100 BBQ money.
The MBA is going to be a cycle limited M1. If the MBA and the MBP have the exact same M1 CPU, why would the Pro need active cooling?
Yes, I know Windows Linux and OS/X, Intel AMD and ARM, I designed and built data centers all over the US and the EU. Sometimes a little logic goes a long way.
I saw one other article online that mentioned a M2. I doubt they would copy a device ID around processor cores like Intel. (i3, i5, i7, i9)
I would expect a high performance mobile processor for the laptops, with more GPU cores. The desktops don't need to be clocked slower to conserve power and should be even more powerful then laptop. Workstation should be even more so. How does Apple give consumers choice, if we start to get the same Apple Silicon in a iMac as a 16" laptop?
Or iMac and a Mac Pro examples? Yes still thinking its along the M1, M1X, M1XYZ, M1XXXX for Mac Pro you mentioned. We'll see.
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I'm not a developer, so I can't comment on that part.
As a end-user, who's mostly agnostic when it comes to operating systems and hardware, I'm sort of a "as long as I can do what I want, as long as it gets the job done" kind of person.
I was born in the 70s and grew up in the 80s, so I'm not entirely hostile to a closed environment. I mean, computers of my youth were what you can call closed & locked, and we didn't think much about it.
Now that I'm older, well, I tend to embrace a much broader way to look at things. There's more than one side to every story. While part of me accepts the its for security argument, part of me can't help but look at the obvious conflict of interest on Apple side (whether its favoring their apps, or simply forcing everyone to use Apple's payment gateway).
I guess, it's just a question of time. We'll get used to it eventually, somehow. After all, it's basically what you get when you buy a XBox, PlayStation or a Switch.
We do accept it from gaming consoles.
Maybe we're simply not mentally ready to accept that from a computer.
Luckily I don’t do anything that requires sustained loads much so it’s perfect for me.
Fanless laptop though, this is what I dreamt for a long time. ?
Yes, it's funny how many seem to think it was once run as a nonprofit, and should be again.
Realistically who buys an i3 mini but puts in 64gb of ram? I feel like anyone who needs 64gb of ram is at least going for the i5 or even i7. I also feel like most of those who got the i3 probably don’t need 4 TB ports or 10gb Ethernet. Seems like the i7 crowd would be more interested in that.
If we were talking about the previous Airs and 13" Pros, I'd agree with the whole "if you don't understand the difference, then the Air is for you" argument. But for now, that difference is not defined nor explained anywhere other than one having a fan setup and the other one not. It's not like the Air got the M1 and the 2-port 13" Pro got the M1X. Nor is it like there's any other discernible difference in performance that anyone knows about between the three M1 Macs that are now available for pre-order. So, yeah, I want to know the difference. Because if a MacBook Air stays safely cool for most workflows (save for maybe the really demanding ones), then the 13" Pro might not matter as much to me as an increasingly casual Mac user (Windows 10 has become my primary non-tablet/non-smartphone computing platform these days) in the Apple Silicon era of Mac computing.
As for the Mac mini, they will need something more than the current M1 mini as there are Mac mini customers that will not be happy seeing the Apple Silicon version be a downgrade in terms of capability from the Intel model. They should've just waited until they were ready to replace it up and down the line. So, yeah, I do expect more capable Mac minis to replace the remaining (and still-sold) Intel models.
The way they are rolling these out is just brilliant. They are going to make a fortune from these machines. The decision to use the current case design for the first generation is also the right call. And based on everything we know so far, it sounds like these will be great computers.
nailed it? If what they say is true I think they completely dismantled Intel and AMD. The numbers are ludicrous
After Effects and Nuke are mostly single-threaded applications with low gpu requirements and very heavy memory requirements. An i3 is very close to an i5 or even an i7 in single-threaded performance. As long as you are not doing heavy particle or 3d layers, it would be just fine. As for the 10gb ethernet, that is very needed when accessing large NAS arrays.
Okay, but first who is buying an i3 that realistically uses After Effect and doesn’t have a need for a better cpu elsewhere? It just seems like such a small, almost nonexistent user base.
But also in my experience after effects uses multiple threads - I literally just used it and had activity monitor open. It was using all 6 cores on my i7 mini.
I ordered the base MacBook Air last night. Hopefully delivered on the 17th. I'm a computer consultant and I love playing with new hardware. Really interested to see how the base Air with what seems like a small amount of RAM (I only got the base 8GB) will do with most day-to-day apps. I see some people complaining that it won't be as good for high-end stuff like video editing and games, but... the MacBook Air was never designed for that to begin with. Meanwhile, this actually looks like it might actually be able to do those things--at least the presentation showed it doing many of those things. Also, I am very interested to see how the new Rosetta2 works with non-ARM apps. All in all, I am really happy with what they released. This will let nerd-types and/or early adopters get a feel for it while app developers get their apps transitioned over for when the truly high-performance hardware (like iPad Pros and the high-end 16" MacBook Pro and even the Mac Pro) comes out over the next couple years. And I get to beta test it (which I kind of like doing) and I'll be ready when my customers start buying them at higher volumes.
A very plush and thorough piece of work. Premature to really judge until the M1 chips in these devices are tested by users. No amount of pre sale testing uncovers the mistreatment often occasioned by users. Looking forward to the M2 chip in the new iMacs which will undoubtedly follow and capitalise on any problems encountered in the M1.
Just to be sure that they nailed it with the M1 I have ordered a base mini to play with. Kinda interested as to how well it can transcode video formats with the Apple Silicon.
People should remember that if Apple didn't know for sure that it could beat Intel's high end chips, they wouldn't have transitioned. They wouldn't have announced the transition on some vague hope that they'd reach those levels.
I've got no doubt that they've already got variants of the M1 running on iMacs and top-end MBPs that will blow the existing Intel versions out of the water.
The M1 is just the start.
I've got no doubt that they've already got variants of the M1 running on iMacs and top-end MBPs that will blow the existing Intel versions out of the water.
The M1 is just the start.