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Anyone else sick of Safari?
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I actually switched to Safari from Chrome recently. In everyday browsing, I don't notice a difference.
I keep Chrome around for cross browser testing and dev tools, but the dev tools in Safari are pretty decent for my use.
iOS Safari is trash, though.
I keep Chrome around for cross browser testing and dev tools, but the dev tools in Safari are pretty decent for my use.
iOS Safari is trash, though.
In my experience Brave uses less RAM than Safari but relies more on the SSD instead.
I mainly use Safari because of this and only use Brave for work related stuff, but I have done numerous comparisons.
Nope. I find it works fine for 99% of everything I do. Love the integration with the OS, love the speed and efficiency. Tab groups make my life much easier.
I use Orion as my default now, with Edge as a fallback. Both infinitely better than Safari for my needs.
Perhaps this isn't the correct forum but did something happen universally with all of the ad blocking agents/plugins and safari recently? No matter which one I try, nothing seems to be blocking ads anymore. I've tried some of the paid subscriptions too to no avail.
I would love to use Safari, but the only things keeping me from doing so is lack of ublockorigin, although 1Blocker works fine, and lack of favicons in the bookmarks bar.
Edge, Chrome, Firefox all have favicons with nice icons for each site in the favorites bar. Makes clicking on them easier & faster to find them.
Safari is just bland text in the bookmarks bar. Terrible.
Safari is also very laggy. Compared to Firefox and Edge, scrolling on for example instagram or reddit is laggy and not as responsive. My MacBook is a 64 GB RAM M1 Max and using Safari makes me feel like I'm on my old 2014 8 GB dual core 13" MBP.
Also compared to Chromium browsers, swiping back to the previous page is better on those. On Safari it swipes back the entire page with the massive full page animation. On Firefox for example it's a quick tiny arrow to go back. Very fast. With Safari I feel like I have to drag across more to go back.
Anyone else experience these things?
Edge, Chrome, Firefox all have favicons with nice icons for each site in the favorites bar. Makes clicking on them easier & faster to find them.
Safari is just bland text in the bookmarks bar. Terrible.
Safari is also very laggy. Compared to Firefox and Edge, scrolling on for example instagram or reddit is laggy and not as responsive. My MacBook is a 64 GB RAM M1 Max and using Safari makes me feel like I'm on my old 2014 8 GB dual core 13" MBP.
Also compared to Chromium browsers, swiping back to the previous page is better on those. On Safari it swipes back the entire page with the massive full page animation. On Firefox for example it's a quick tiny arrow to go back. Very fast. With Safari I feel like I have to drag across more to go back.
Anyone else experience these things?
i've been using 1Blocker for years on Mac and iOS & iPadOS. Works great. Blocks Youtube ads great too. I've never had a single issue with it on the websites I use.
And yes a few years ago Apple nerfed Safari extensions and changed the number of rules and such that ad blockers were allowed to use.
I dunno about “sick of,” did your complaints about it arise only recently? What I am personally sick of although that’s not the word choice I‘d use necessarily, is how Safari has all these alleged privacy feature yet unlike Firefox for MacOS, it doesn’t allow the simple setting to clear cookies and all website data upon closing the program. For me this seems like such a basic, common sense step for digital hygiene and yet Safari collects all the junk from all the sites until one manually clears it.
Oh that is pretty cool thank you for the reminder. I was / am semi aware of it but it’s good to have a reminder. I don’t suppose that is possible in iPadOS and iOS? I will try it out. Thanks!
Basically I would like to just keep a browser to not collect web site data between times it’s loaded, it just gets too much, perhaps I’ll give that permanent setting in Safari / private mode a try for a while. I like how that setting is available in Firefox without the “private” label, but perhaps it‘s essentially the same thing.
Just be aware that private browsing may cause problems on some sites, like forcing you to login every time. Storing data on your computer is not a bad thing in and of itself, even though some sites use it for questionable purposes.
I'm the author of a mapping/gps web app that uses the webStorage API to save a bunch of user preferences, and private browsing breaks this (my site is free with no registration, ads or tracking). You can also load waypoint data and webStorage actually protects your privacy, because the data is only stored on your computer and never loaded on my server.
So, it really depends on the kind of sites you visit. Private browsing is a useful tool, but it can cause problems with sites that responsibly store data in Safari.
I'm the author of a mapping/gps web app that uses the webStorage API to save a bunch of user preferences, and private browsing breaks this (my site is free with no registration, ads or tracking). You can also load waypoint data and webStorage actually protects your privacy, because the data is only stored on your computer and never loaded on my server.
So, it really depends on the kind of sites you visit. Private browsing is a useful tool, but it can cause problems with sites that responsibly store data in Safari.
Good to know, thanks again for the info. I’ll give the web app a try.
I was just using private browsing in Safari for the first time in a while and it worked pretty well so far. My main uses are mostly local, national (US) and international news sites, which are likely still fine using non-private, but it’s just a good practice I think to have cookies or site data cleared periodically, hence why I tend to use Firefox with its convenient auto-clear setting more than Safari. Or at least equally often as Safari. My other main uses of Safari would be various web email sites and banking sites and stuff where I purposely would _not_ private mode, since I don’t mind reasonable data storage about me for the convenience.
I guess to return to OP’s question I find Safari very good overall, it seems clear to most Apple users that it’s by far the best everday browser, and I don’t find it crashing any web sites, perhaps once in a very long time.
I was just using private browsing in Safari for the first time in a while and it worked pretty well so far. My main uses are mostly local, national (US) and international news sites, which are likely still fine using non-private, but it’s just a good practice I think to have cookies or site data cleared periodically, hence why I tend to use Firefox with its convenient auto-clear setting more than Safari. Or at least equally often as Safari. My other main uses of Safari would be various web email sites and banking sites and stuff where I purposely would _not_ private mode, since I don’t mind reasonable data storage about me for the convenience.
I guess to return to OP’s question I find Safari very good overall, it seems clear to most Apple users that it’s by far the best everday browser, and I don’t find it crashing any web sites, perhaps once in a very long time.
Safari is fine for me but I don't like that it does not have push notifications for FB or Twitter. Extensions are worthless.
I love FF but it won't play nice with FB. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1779404
I love FF but it won't play nice with FB. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1779404
Just to be clear, I did link to my app, that link was a description of the web storage API from w3schools.
Ever since an update in 2020, Safari will automatically delete website data if you don't visit the site for 7 days. This is more restrictive than Firefox and other browsers, which will retain it for much longer unless you manually clear it. That change has been criticized by developers and I think it is especially restrictive on MacOS.
On iOS Safari, if you build a website the right way, it can be installed as an app of your phone's home screen and it behaves pretty much like a regualr iOS app. When you do this, Safari will not automatically delete the data. But MacOS does not support web apps at all, so your data will be erased if you don't use the site frequently. Firefox, Chrome, Edge and other browsers do support web apps with persistent data storage on MacOS however.
Interesting to read through these 6+ pages of the thread, and OP still hasn’t offered any examples behind the claim of “so many sites” get broken using Safari. For me and I’d suspect for many if not most people, Safari “breaks” a web site on only very rare occasions.
Unlike the poster who said “I’m sick of these sick of Safari threads” (although I sympathize with that), I always welcome reading them even if they’re repetitive because I feel like I can always learn more about the best browsers people use.
I’d be interested in some actual links/evidence behind the claims about Firefox having “lost their way” due to Facebook allegiances or whatnot. I still enjoy Firefox for many purposes (maybe 40%) although Safari is a 60% usage more or less, for most day to day tasks.
I wonder if anyone privacy-minded still uses Tor? I used to for a time (around 2013 with all the Snowden news), I like the idea of it but dang it’s slow and after using it off and on it occurred to me over and over, my usage and the sites I visit are not worth the level of effort to protect my IP address etc.
No one needs to give you any proof here, the fact that it has 6 pages, kinda goes to show that browser could be better. A lot of websites are broken with Safari, and it's a well known fact. If you try and watch disneyplus, it will haug redicolous amounts of ram in comparison to Edge or Firefox. 1 tab can be 2GB, easy.
I’ve see 2GB tab in Chrome and Firefox. It depends on what that site is doing. A regular static page won’t get there but an interactive one like…. Mac Rumors Forums will if you keep the tab open for a day or two. It seems to allocate objects and doesn’t release them.
Agreed.
Here are anther two examples that drive me crazy.
Citi bank. For some strange reason it sometimes is unwilling to display at all; it thinks I'm a developer trying to use their API. I think there are some problems with how the cookies are being stored.
Azure's dev.azure.com website. Sometimes there's a button that allows me to copy something to the clipboard. That doesn't work in Safari. I always switch to another browser to get that to work.
Actually, I'm sick of all browsers. Each one has its drawbacks. One which usually works flawlessly, Chrome, is owned by one of the great evils of our time. It pisses me off the web developers prioritize this browser. (Sorry, I've just had a martini, so my emotions are out of control.)
You might want to try to clear your cookies, particularly the citi ones. I have no problem using the Citibank site with Safari.