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gpat

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Those were good times. Late 2010 Apple store. No compromises anywhere. Sure, iPads have evolved from what they once were, but still – did it have to become what it is now? View attachment 2098838


I received that same iPad as a gift on late 2010.
It was e-waste from nearly day one. 256mb RAM meant it was always reloading stuff, and it had no cameras to force upgrades towards the iPad 2 the year after.
Most overrated piece of tech ever. And it was crippled voluntarily by yours truly Steve.
Apple nowadays can do some dumb stuff, but it has its highs and lows just like when Steve was there.
 
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mectojic

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I received that same iPad as a gift on late 2010.
It was e-waste from nearly day one. 256mb RAM meant it was always reloading stuff, and it had no cameras to force upgrades towards the iPad 2 the year after.
Most overrated piece of tech ever. And it was crippled voluntarily by yours truly Steve.
Apple nowadays can do some dumb stuff, but it has its highs and lows just like when Steve was there.
Hard disagree. Sure, the 1st gen iPad had a low lifespan of iOS support, but mine literally still runs like a tank with all day battery life, even 12 years later with no battery replacement.
 

gpat

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Hard disagree. Sure, the 1st gen iPad had a low lifespan of iOS support, but mine literally still runs like a tank with all day battery life, even 12 years later with no battery replacement.

Yeah, I agree it does its part if you want to use it as a digital picture frame.
That, and little else, since like 2012.
 
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stinkhorn9

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Yeah, I agree it does its part if you want to use it as a digital picture frame.
That, and little else, since like 2012.
It's not so good browsing online now (it's terrible) - but mine still runs music-making apps (one at a time), and successfully receives updates: it's totally useable within these parameters.
 

Adelphos33

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The Mac lineup looks much better today, no, especially when factoring in 10 years of inflation?

iPhone prices are up meaningfully, but most of that is due to the subsidization and now the different model (trade in based)

Apple Watch has replaced iPod, and Apple watches can be pretty inexpensive at the base model level

There are certainly more iPad and iPhone models that make things confused, but beyond that not seeing a big issue.
 

Adelphos33

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I miss the simplicity of the product tiers. Between M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra it's confusing for people to know what's the best option. At least they should have named Ultra "Max Duo" instead, it would have represented the product better and you get the general idea that it's twice as good (admittedly).

They should remove the "Air" in "MacBook Air" to simplify the naming.

They should have killed the iPad and renamed the iPad Air just "iPad".

They should do something to clarify the difference with Mac Studio vs Mac Pro.
Why will the Mac "Pro" not have an M1 "Pro" ?

Why does the iPhone 14 Pro Max have "Pro" and "Max" at the same time?
Why is the iPhone 14 Pro Max exactly the same internally as iPhone 14 Pro, yet the MacBook Pro with M1 Max is much faster in every term than the baseline MacBook Pro?

Why are the best AirPods called Max, yet the best Watch is called Ultra and the best MacBook is called Pro ?

The "best" option is easy to figure out - it is the most expensive. The thing is - almost no one needs the "best option." The biggest change in Apple products in recent years is that Apple is telling most consumers - you don't need the "best," just buy what you want and it will work for a long time. That can make for a confusing buying experience for some, but I don't think it is worse or better...
 

OnawaAfrica

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Rose colored glasses and wishful thinking. There were compromises *everywhere* in that lineup.

The 13" laptops were still on C2D despite Arrandale being out. C2D in 2010 was already looking pretty crusty - the Penryn chips they were selling were 2+ years old.

The 15" MBP had a standard 1440x900 screen. You had to pay extra for the 1680x1050 panel, and antiglare was also extra.

Amusingly, despite being a newer CPU generation, the Intel chipsets in the 15/17" Pros were capped at 8GB of RAM. The 13" non-Air models with Nvidia chipsets could run 16GB.

Both 2010 Air models had no backlit keyboard, the only generation not to.

The original iPad was kneecapped from the start by only having 256MB of RAM, which meant it dropped iOS support just two years later with 5.1.1, while the iPhone 4 with the same A4 chip but double the RAM got software through iOS 7.1.2 in 2014.

They did the same storage shenanigans with iPods then as they've done since with iPhones and iPads - the Touch was 8/32/64GB, and going from 8 to 32 was just $70 more. It also had a crap "Retina" display that wasn't up to par with the iPhone 4.


The Mac Pro? That thing still had SATA II ports, when the SATA III spec had been final for over a year. It was already just a speed bump of the 4,1 - enough so that you can flash a 4,1 to thinking it's a 5,1. Not a great look for a pro tower.

Mac mini had the highest base price of a Mini up to that point.


This isn't to say it was total trash - it's to say that they've *always* had compromises and tradeoffs in the lineup. Did they *need* the polycarbonate MacBook for $999 when they had the 13" Pro for $1199 - and the Pro came with 4GB of RAM standard instead of 2, plus an aluminum case and backlit keyboard and FireWire? I bet those were lively debates back then too, about like people today asking why the $449 iPad exists when then the Air 5 has double the RAM for just $150 more. 😄
the 15/17" pro CPUs where not capped by apple at 8GB but if u look them up on intel ark they can only Support 8GB max because of the IGPU
 
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Corefile

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Those were good times. Late 2010 Apple store. No compromises anywhere. Sure, iPads have evolved from what they once were, but still – did it have to become what it is now?
Apple executives knew what to do and how to execute that since they were told what to do by Steve. Now they need to try to figure it out by themselves but are terrified of making wrong turns or decisions. So rather than make incorrect decisions, they use the current method of expanding the product line to keep CR versions of the prior models just in case. I suppose it's an effective strategy if you don't have a real leader. Tim Cook is not an inspirational leader.
 
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OnawaAfrica

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Apple executives knew what to do and how to execute that since they were told what to do by Steve. Now they need to try to figure it out by themselves but are terrified of making wrong turns or decisions. So rather than make incorrect decisions, they use the current method of expanding the product line to keep CR versions of the prior models just in case. I suppose it's an effective strategy if you don't have a real leader. Tim Cook is not an inspirational leader.
how do u know that? are u working at apple are u have inside information? i dont think so. all u do here is rumoring somethings
 

ericwn

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Apple executives knew what to do and how to execute that since they were told what to do by Steve. Now they need to try to figure it out by themselves but are terrified of making wrong turns or decisions. So rather than make incorrect decisions, they use the current method of expanding the product line to keep CR versions of the prior models just in case. I suppose it's an effective strategy if you don't have a real leader. Tim Cook is not an inspirational leader.

Disagree, and let’s just look at the success of Tim as CEO to determine how successful his time is. Not to mention the decade prior, being Steve’s right hand, and running the business since then.
 

PsykX

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The "best" option is easy to figure out - it is the most expensive.
I had a discussion with my cousin regarding that and I disagree.

He wanted to buy the best Mac Mini, and went with the same comparison as yours. The Intel Mac Mini is much more expensive than the base Mac Mini, and it's by far the worst option in nearly every possible scenario (CPU, GPU, life cycle, bang for the buck...). The more expensive Mac Mini should either be killed or be replaced by an M2 Pro version.

The Mac Pro is more expensive than Mac Studio, and it's not the best option, unless you need RAM, modularity, x86, etc. The Mac Studio clearly has the best CPU, memory bandwidth, and bang for the price. I think the Mac Studio is a temporary Mac because they couldn't release the Mac Pro yet. It just adds confusion to the lineup. I think the Mac Studio will be abandoned once the Mac Pro is released.

The base MacBook Pro (13-inch) is not better than the MacBook Air, except for prolonged tasks and battery life. But the MBA has a better webcam, a better newer design, is lighter. The 13-inch MBP should be killed from the lineup IMO.
 
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Corefile

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Disagree, and let’s just look at the success of Tim as CEO to determine how successful his time is. Not to mention the decade prior, being Steve’s right hand, and running the business since then.
Cook doesn't run the business.
 

BhaveshUK

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No research has ever drawn that conclusion, certainly not with iPhone nor iPad.


I wouldn’t say no research has ever suggested those conclusions. Lots of psychological research into the topic - it’s known as the ‘paradox of choice’. However, I agree it’s not an exact science and should be taken with a grain of salt. The issue is people take these studies as hard truth. We simply don’t know how many models of iPhone/ iPad the market will accommodate before sales decline.
 

mrmister

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Everything on there apart from appleTV had a headphone jack. Use your favourite headphones with any of your apple devices, and the iPhone came with a simple wired headset that would work well on the MacBook and iPad without adapter. It was a wonderful tech life for those who consumed media or created light media.

Counterpoint: it's 2022, and all these devices have really good Bluetooth, and you can get Bluetooth headsets that don't suck for very little at this point. And I say this as someone who was super cranky once headphone jacks started leaving...but now it's been years.
 

macsound1

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The Air is more powerful, with more RAM, a better screen, better pencil, and different keyboards.

The iPad 10 is less expensive.
I'm bewildered with the people who buy the 11" iPad Pro. Sure it has an M2 now, but the iPad Air is absolutely way more worth it's money than the improvement you get with the 11" Pro.
 

macsound1

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I had a discussion with my cousin regarding that and I disagree.

He wanted to buy the best Mac Mini, and went with the same comparison as yours. The Intel Mac Mini is much more expensive than the base Mac Mini, and it's by far the worst option in nearly every possible scenario (CPU, GPU, life cycle, bang for the buck...). The more expensive Mac Mini should either be killed or be replaced by an M2 Pro version.

The Mac Pro is more expensive than Mac Studio, and it's not the best option, unless you need RAM, modularity, x86, etc. The Mac Studio clearly has the best CPU, memory bandwidth, and bang for the price. I think the Mac Studio is a temporary Mac because they couldn't release the Mac Pro yet. It just adds confusion to the lineup. I think the Mac Studio will be abandoned once the Mac Pro is released.

The base MacBook Pro (13-inch) is not better than the MacBook Air, except for prolonged tasks and battery life. But the MBA has a better webcam, a better newer design, is lighter. The 13-inch MBP should be killed from the lineup IMO.
The Mac Studio makes a lot of sense to me. It's the MacMini ++. No expandability or upgrades after purchase, but it's the perfect mac for someone who needs a pro-sumer desktop.

Makes way more sense than the iMac Pro, but that also fit the need for those who wanted more than the regular 5K iMac but didn't need a Mac Pro.
 

Arctic Moose

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I'm bewildered with the people who buy the 11" iPad Pro. Sure it has an M2 now, but the iPad Air is absolutely way more worth it's money than the improvement you get with the 11" Pro.

I want ProMotion, so that's why.

It absolutely rubs me the wrong way though, since I would much prefer the colors of the Air and the camera placement and keyboard of the new iPad.
 
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