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MacSoftware3

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I am still using my PowerMac G5 Quad & G4 MDD a lot, but things like Netflix which requires DRM can't be done on PPC. I also read that Spotify isn't working anymore. Because of that, I am using my Intel Macs a lot more these days, even when I want to use PPC. TenFourFox also isn't the fastest to use, which is basically my only option on OS X Tiger, which I use on my PPC Macs.

On the Intel Macs I am using Sierra but I want to downgrade to Snow Leopard or Lion when I know for sure all my software is working with those operating systems.

To the people who do still use PPC as their Daily Driver: For how long do you think you can continue to to that?
 
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vddrnnr

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Hi MacSoftware3,

In one of my hackintoshes I cannot use safari to watch netflix due
to MacOS not recognising my display adapter as drm compliant.
To get it going I used silverlight from microsoft which is still a supported option.
If i'm not mistaken there are silverlight versions that support leopard/PPC.
To get safari to use silverlight instead of html5 you only need to have the right user agent
presented to the netflix site ( in my case i think i used safari 7 ).
So using leopard webkit with this I think it should work as long as the G5 or G4 has enough power
to use it.
You might want to look at that option and look around the web on how to setup silverlight properly.

In respect to Lion lookout for the AppStore problem. Lion has been de-suported and you have
serious limitations using it.

Best regards,
voidRunner
 
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eyoungren

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TenFourFox also isn't the fastest to use, which is basically my only option on OS X Tiger, which I use on my PPC Macs.
Have you taken a look at my optimization thread? See the link in my signature.

To the people who do still use PPC as their Daily Driver: For how long do you think you can continue to to that?
As long as I can continue to access Google and news sites as well as Reddit and MacRumors.

Also, Word, Entourage, and InDesign CS4 still continue to function. I can still access Dropbox as well. I have a PC laptop that is running it and the drive is shared. So connect to the laptop via filesharing and use Dropbox.

I am slowly moving into Intel though but as long as my PowerPC Macs can still do this stuff I will still do it.
 
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MacSoftware3

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Hi MacSoftware3,

In one of my hackintoshes I cannot use safari to watch netflix due
to MacOS not recognising my display adapter as drm compliant.
To get it going I used silverlight from microsoft which is still a supported option.
If i'm not mistaken there are silverlight versions that support leopard/PPC.
To get safari to use silverlight instead of html5 you only need to have the right user agent
presented to the netflix site ( in my case i think i used safari 7 ).
So using leopard webkit with this I think it should work as long as the G5 or G4 has enough power
to use it.
You might want to look at that option and look around the web on how to setup silverlight properly.

In respect to Lion lookout for the AppStore problem. Lion has been de-suported and you have
serious limitations using it.

Best regards,
voidRunner

Thanks! I never knew there was a Silverlight version for PowerPC. I hope it still works. But I think it won't be long before Netflix stops working with Silverlight.

Have you taken a look at my optimization thread? See the link in my signature.


As long as I can continue to access Google and news sites as well as Reddit and MacRumors.

Also, Word, Entourage, and InDesign CS4 still continue to function. I can still access Dropbox as well. I have a PC laptop that is running it and the drive is shared. So connect to the laptop via filesharing and use Dropbox.

I am slowly moving into Intel though but as long as my PowerPC Macs can still do this stuff I will still do it.

Thanks for your thread, I hope I can try it soon. What Intel Macs are you planning to move to? And what OS? Personally I think Snow Leopard is the best OS X release for Intel Macs, but software support isn't that great anymore.
 

eyoungren

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Thanks for your thread, I hope I can try it soon. What Intel Macs are you planning to move to? And what OS? Personally I think Snow Leopard is the best OS X release for Intel Macs, but software support isn't that great anymore.
The Mac I typed my initial response to you on is an A1260, which is a 2008 MBP running El Capitan. My other MBP is a 2006 17" A1151 which is Snow Leopard max.

Ultimately I will want the last 2008 17" MBP that resembles the PowerBook G4 styling. That's the A1261. And somewhere in there a 2010 MacPro, like the one at work that I am typing this on now.
 

eyoungren

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Hi eyoungren,

With some work you can get Lion.

Best regards,
voidRunner
Yes, but it's more work than I wish to take on and it won't be complete. And I don't really want it. I mainly use the 17" MBP for web browsing and now that the Intel version for T4Fx is back that works for me.

Additionally, the A1260 MBP I have will run High Sierra. But I lose WiFi because I have the particular card that this will break on.

Thank you for that though.
 
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vddrnnr

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Hi eyoungren,

I have it ( 10.7.5 ) running on mine :)
With it I also get Firefox 52 ( changing the info.plist it works )
I will try TFF anyway ;-)

Best regards,
voidRunner
 

eyoungren

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Hi eyoungren,

I have it ( 10.7.5 ) running on mine :)
With it I also get Firefox 52 ( changing the info.plist it works )
I will try TFF anyway ;-)

Best regards,
voidRunner
My problem with Firefox is that past a certain version it wants signed addons. I have a few addons I depend on (am addicted to) that are not signed. Consequently, with FF they get switched off.

It's the major reason I switched to Chrome on my A1260 and on the MP at work.

However, T4Fx, both on PowerPC and Intel continue to allow the use of my unsigned addons. So, I remain on T4Fx on my A1151 and on all my PowerPC Macs.
 
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trchern

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Anyone out there still own and use a PowerPC Mac as their main daily driver? While PowerPC macs haven't been made since 2006, they still are to me personally a TRUE macintosh and not associated with that intel windows garbage. I know the PowerMac g5 machines are actually still decent in performance in 2018 (on the internet using TenFourFox), but also curious if someone still uses an iMac G3 or iBook G4 everyday. Thanks!

Daily driver? Maybe not. Distraction free working machine? Yes!

I am writing my graduate thesis and I find the iBook G3 clamshell is a very nice distraction free machine to work on. Because when I use modern MacBooks I always end up browsing nonsense webpage or watching YouTube videos. But the iBook I am using even won’t connect to the wireless device at home or school even Starbucks! I can concentrate on the project I am writing and with one or two software open. Perfect productivity workhors!
 

eyoungren

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Daily driver? Maybe not. Distraction free working machine? Yes!

I am writing my graduate thesis and I find the iBook G3 clamshell is a very nice distraction free machine to work on. Because when I use modern MacBooks I always end up browsing nonsense webpage or watching YouTube videos. But the iBook I am using even won’t connect to the wireless device at home or school even Starbucks! I can concentrate on the project I am writing and with one or two software open. Perfect productivity workhors!
I hear that a lot as a benefit.

Distraction free because of obsolescence. I mean no disrespect, but this always strikes me as compensating for a lack of self-control.

I have things I work on myself and I use two or three different devices to do it. None of them are obsolete enough to not be a distraction. But when I don't want distractions, because I need to focus, the TV goes off, iTunes goes off, the web browser is shut off and I just focus. I don't need a device that locks me out because it just doesn't have the capability. Getting things done despite distractions is sometimes a point of pride.

Of course, if you're doing something you don't WANT to do, getting distracted is easy. However, if it's something that NEEDS to get done then for me at least, 'distractions' make it easier. iTunes playing in the background, etc. But that's an exception. Mostly I just knuckle down and get it done.

If that's what people need to do, okay. It just seems like people have lost the ability to tune-out distractions so that this sort of thing becomes a 'feature' to them.

Again no offense. I don't know you. My opinions are not targeted at you, just a general observation.
 

AphoticD

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We all have our techniques @eyoungren

Possibly much to your disapproval, I recently quit coffee (!!), dairy and refined sugars (4 months ago) and have found general focus and sustained energy has improved massively. The energy dips are much more manageable and I’ve been able to really maximize my working hours... But I still procrastinate terribly when I have a deadline pending and it’s a commissioned job of some description - I’d much rather be working on my own projects!

Because I am mostly working from home, I find the best technique for me is to get out of the house / office and take a little mobile workstation like the 12” PowerBook G4, or depending on the job, my Pismo G3 or MacBook unibody (‘08). Depending on the weather, I’ll either find a quiet shady tree to work under or a little cafe (I’ll stick to herbal tea or water though). Headphones go on with some of my favourite albums via my little 8GB iPod nano (circa 2006) and I’m oblivious to the rest of the world.

Sometimes I’ll take two portable Macs - no chargers. I’ll say to myself; once the battery runs out on Laptop A, I’ll switch hats and move onto a different job on laptop B... this way I know I have 3 hours or so to focus on one job, but nothing more (because that’s the extent of the battery), so it enforces some time constraint which helps to hone the focus.

Needless to say, external internet access is off unless absolutely necessary, but if I need to login to an FTP or something, I’ll enable tethering on my iPhone 6 and hook into its WiFi from the Mac.

I’m not saying any of this should work for someone else, but we’re all trying to find our way through the chaos. There’s a reason why some writers prefer an old typewriter over a laptop or even pencil on paper for that matter. Most people need a real helping hand to avoid distractions.

You’re a one of a kind gem mate; a 6 screen workstation situated in the family living room and somehow you can focus on getting the job done! When I’m at home, I think I spend most of my time growling at the wife and kids for interrupting me and then feeling like a **** for neglecting them. I don’t know how you do it :)
 

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I hear that a lot as a benefit.

Distraction free because of obsolescence. I mean no disrespect, but this always strikes me as compensating for a lack of self-control.

I have things I work on myself and I use two or three different devices to do it. None of them are obsolete enough to not be a distraction. But when I don't want distractions, because I need to focus, the TV goes off, iTunes goes off, the web browser is shut off and I just focus. I don't need a device that locks me out because it just doesn't have the capability. Getting things done despite distractions is sometimes a point of pride.

Of course, if you're doing something you don't WANT to do, getting distracted is easy. However, if it's something that NEEDS to get done then for me at least, 'distractions' make it easier. iTunes playing in the background, etc. But that's an exception. Mostly I just knuckle down and get it done.

If that's what people need to do, okay. It just seems like people have lost the ability to tune-out distractions so that this sort of thing becomes a 'feature' to them.

Again no offense. I don't know you. My opinions are not targeted at you, just a general observation.

How does that come down to self-control? "compensating for a lack of self-control" feels contradictory, since the compensation in the context is a measure of self-control. More like "compensating for low concentration/energy" or something of the sort.

And moving away from distractions to get things done is not something I see as avoidance, since what to not avoid in this case is getting your work done. Usually that can be a point of pride.

It should be "as long as you tackle your tasks it's pretty much okay". To me your post speaks of personal preference instead of of an individual's capacity. Everyone's different, of course.

I do something comparable. When I have to write, read or work on something I like to do it on an old machine, usually my favorite beige power macintosh with an apple ext. kb. Just because "I really like this machine" it makes the experience of getting work done a lot better.
 

eyoungren

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We all have our techniques.

You’re a one of a kind gem mate; a 6 screen workstation situated in the family living room and somehow you can focus on getting the job done! When I’m at home, I think I spend most of my time growling at the wife and kids for interrupting me and then feeling like a **** for neglecting them. I don’t know how you do it :)
It's how my wife and I grew up. We're both loners by nature who learned to take care of ourselves early. We enjoy each other's company but we both do fine apart and we've learned to tune things out and focus when we need to do something.

Our children are the same way, but that's mainly because their parents (us) are loners.

I don't disagree that everyone has a different method for dealing with distractions. I'm also not saying that my way is the only way. I didn't mean to imply that at all. You've found a way and it works for you and that's great.

All I was trying to say was that, in general, I have noticed that there seems to be a lack of self-control or discipline or inability to focus in today's society. There will always be distractions. And you can't always mitigate or get rid of them. Learning to tune-out is a life skill.

I suppose it could be argued that this is a form of discipline because you are choosing to use things that force you to focus. And if that is what some people need, then okay. But I do think that if you can learn to tune-out and focus just on your own it's a valuable thing.

The employers I've worked for have certainly seemed to appreciate my focus.

That's all I am trying to say. And to tie it all back to the topic, this is why I choose to use a specific range of PowerPC Macs that aren't so old that they become distraction free just because they can't use certain things newer Macs can.

As to coffee, I'm sorry. I can't forgive you for that :D
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How does that come down to self-control? "compensating for a lack of self-control" feels contradictory, since the compensation in the context is a measure of self-control. More like "compensating for low concentration/energy" or something of the sort.

And moving away from distractions to get things done is not something I see as avoidance, since what to not avoid in this case is getting your work done. Usually that can be a point of pride.

It should be "as long as you tackle your tasks it's pretty much okay". To me your post speaks of personal preference instead of of an individual's capacity. Everyone's different, of course.

I do something comparable. When I have to write, read or work on something I like to do it on an old machine, usually my favorite beige power macintosh with an apple ext. kb. Just because "I really like this machine" it makes the experience of getting work done a lot better.
My point was that I can use a current Mac to focus on a job and get it done.

A current Mac can provide me all the distractions anyone could have, but my self-control and discipline on focusing on the job causes me not to use the Mac for those distractions. Rather the ability to use the device as I need helps me.

I've learned to ignore that temptation, or at the very least leverage it to my advantage. Often when I am doing things, I WANT access to the internet or the ability to do other things because I need to look something up. Or I need to do this or that.

Not being able to do those things is a problem to me and I tend to try and fix my problems before I continue. That makes the inability of a device to do something I need it to do a distraction. So, having a device that can't do things is 'distraction free' for others but a 'problem' to me.
 

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I use my Powermac G5 for homework tasks such as typing essays and using the website version of Schoology.
 
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last year i contemplated installing a new logic board on the Imac G4 because the graphics card is shot. the reason i did not was using Snow Leopard on a MBA in 2018 was limited internet and ipod/ipad device wise. The Imac is still downstairs and on craigslist doing nothing but staring at me to fix it!
 
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I use my Powermac G5 for homework tasks such as typing essays and using the website version of Schoology.

There's a lot I dislike about schoology, but I will say that one good thing about it is its ability to run on low end hardware.

Also, I like powerpc laptops for writing essays and such. Load up an old version of office or iWork on a powerbook and it's a great writing machine. Powerbooks have better keyboards than most new laptops too.
 
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There's a lot I dislike about schoology, but I will say that one good thing about it is its ability to run on low end hardware.

Also, I like powerpc laptops for writing essays and such. Load up an old version of office or iWork on a powerbook and it's a great writing machine. Powerbooks have better keyboards than most new laptops too.
can you use a web browser efficiently on your macbook form 2007?
 

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can you use a web browser efficiently on your macbook form 2007?
Do you mean the 2009 one in my signature? If so, then yes, it's still plenty capable online. General browsing feels like any other computer, and it can handle 720p Youtube with no problem, especially if you disable 60fps.
 
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Do you mean the 2009 one in my signature? If so, then yes, it's still plenty capable online. General browsing feels like any other computer, and it can handle 720p Youtube with no problem, especially if you disable 60fps.
which one? i had a tough time using waterfox on mountain lion on my 2010 MBA were some web images did not apear on email and flickr websites. safari would either stop loading or post a "not for you, f-face!" on most websites, so i switched to elcapitans
 

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I use Firefox quantum on it, and it hasn't caused any trouble since it's the latest release of Firefox.
good for you, i tried 5 web browsers and just switched to elcapitan hours ago, what OSX are we running? duh sierra hack, sorry like im new here or something..... I already miss mountain lion. but i need a ipad to deplete photos and music.
 

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good for you, i tried 5 web browsers and just switched to elcapitan hours ago, what OSX are we running? duh sierra hack, sorry like im new here or something..... I already miss mountain lion. but i need a ipad to deplete photos and music.

I’m using the latest Firefox and the last Safari version (11.x) on El Capitan on two of my main production Macs which are both from 2008 (MB5,1 and MP3,1). No problems at all.
 
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