What source are you recording?
I've only got a HD192 rig right now, but I'm interested in hearing the difference in terms of input quality of the three.
If possible, could you please upload the three files in WAV format?
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Apogee Duet: Quick review
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What source are you recording?
I've only got a HD192 rig right now, but I'm interested in hearing the difference in terms of input quality of the three.
If possible, could you please upload the three files in WAV format?
Hahahaha this is hilarious!
'Peter Westergar' is a newbie with a total of..2 posts! Both in this forum of course. And his profile pic is an Apogee Duet.
So we know logicpro and Peter are the same person, but wait, so too is he Youtube profile 'GuitarGabriel', because he's the guy bashing every Apogee Duet video.
Who knows, maybe he even has a Youtube alter ego profile backing up GuitarGabriel?
I smell a troll who needs psychiatric help.
'Peter Westergar' is a newbie with a total of..2 posts! Both in this forum of course. And his profile pic is an Apogee Duet.
So we know logicpro and Peter are the same person, but wait, so too is he Youtube profile 'GuitarGabriel', because he's the guy bashing every Apogee Duet video.
Who knows, maybe he even has a Youtube alter ego profile backing up GuitarGabriel?
I smell a troll who needs psychiatric help.
Logic Pro (who ever he is) is who did some youtube videos about this thread and he or she seems to have a very dead on accurate idea of whats going on here politically, the videos are private and mostly BMG/Sony people have seen them.
--> For one, i never said anything about me making hundreds of records, i am guessing that your referring to logic pro
-->2, based on the reactions of trolls against Logic Pro offering a test, it all makes me want to see this even more now, that these 2 manufactures are using the same guts inside raises questions to why Apogee did not disclose the specs.
Regardless of all said above the duet seems to be truly portable in design anyway., but if you want to get upset by proving Logic Pro right over and over by all means do so, the reactions expressed here over some one doing a test is really saying something else., i can not see how anyone would disagree with a test.
And Joko aka Joker i understand that the test will prove your the sucker here for buying something for the name, but if you just try to be honest for once and allo a real test you can avoid such naive shopping from now on instead of rushing to buy another Japanese firewire audio interface every make out there has inside there boxes and wrote there own software for.
Wow fast reply there! How's Finland this time of year?
I'm happy for logicpro to post a 'test'. Although I doubt it will prove anything, I'm using my ears here. I compared it to the Firebox initially and the difference was massive. It is a rocking piece of gear and I bought it before knowing anything about Apogee, so it was not bought on the basis of a brand.
P.S I never write reviews, but in the case of the Duet I was very happy with what I found hence a positive review.
UPDATE: Check out this Youtube link
--> It appears that the profiles of GuitarGabriel and Capnbooboo are the same person. Both slating the Apogee Duet, backing each other up, and both of their Youtube profiles were created on the exact same date. Both use a tiled background for their Youtube channel.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!
All this gumph about different manufacturers sharing the same innards in products is a worthless "revelation". It happens all the time.
Anyone buying a Leica digital camera knows that the machine is the exact same one as its Panasonic counterpart. Same lens, same internals, with only the outer cosmetics changed. There is no dispute about this, or any attempt to pretend otherwise. The Leica usually costs a couple of hundred dollars more too. So what? For some, a preferred industrial design is worth paying for.
Many people buy a piece of audio equipment precisely because it shares many of the same parts as another respected product, but they prefer the cosmetics or ease-of-use of one over the other, regardless of a price differential. Should every CD player utilizing the same transport and DAC be rated the same and cost the same? What sort of ludicrous discussion is this?
Anyone buying a Leica digital camera knows that the machine is the exact same one as its Panasonic counterpart. Same lens, same internals, with only the outer cosmetics changed. There is no dispute about this, or any attempt to pretend otherwise. The Leica usually costs a couple of hundred dollars more too. So what? For some, a preferred industrial design is worth paying for.
Many people buy a piece of audio equipment precisely because it shares many of the same parts as another respected product, but they prefer the cosmetics or ease-of-use of one over the other, regardless of a price differential. Should every CD player utilizing the same transport and DAC be rated the same and cost the same? What sort of ludicrous discussion is this?
For the initial test I recorded acoustic gtr, bass and vocals but have chucked the session as it was a while back. I'll do a similar test next week....
Thanks.
Will you be recording the source at the same time (all three interfaces) using the same model mics and preamps?
I don't want to sound anal but you never get the same performance twice, so it would be nice if it were the case.
My "Cannon" Ixus 860 uses a Sony LCD screen and other parts made by there competitors, so i agree with that.
Is the point of this to show that the "DUET", "firebox" and "MBox Pro" contain the same exact parts and share the same Specs., if this is proven it would explain why Apogee did not share those details.
However, even if the DUET is the same and proven so., i would just agree that maybe Apogee should of sold it fo half the price, hey would make triple what they made now anyway, and i still prefer it over other firewire interfaces anyway., my opinion.
Thanks for the info. I sold my duet the day after i listed it....and i'm using that cash to contribute towards the purchase of a metric halo 2882 expanded, which from what I understand, keeps getting better as it gets older.
Ray
Another n00b supporting Logic pro? Hmm I wonder. Thats twice in the same thread 
And just in case Ray isn't another one of Logic Pro's aliases (unlikely), perhaps you should have taken note of what everyone else here said too. Not to mention your own ears
And just in case Ray isn't another one of Logic Pro's aliases (unlikely), perhaps you should have taken note of what everyone else here said too. Not to mention your own ears
cgingrich, are you not able to just try one? I think any sample recording would be more reflective of the source material, than of the Duet interface itself.
Alternatively, theres quite a few users over on the gearslutz forums that may be able to assist.
Alternatively, theres quite a few users over on the gearslutz forums that may be able to assist.
Yes, by all means check it out yourself if you can. Don't let 'Logic Pro' and his many aliases opinions put you off..
Apart from this thread, I had read no real bad user feedback or magazine reviews on the Duet at all. Quite the opposite in fact. So I jumped in the deep end and ordered one online (was cheaper for me). No regrets at all
Apart from this thread, I had read no real bad user feedback or magazine reviews on the Duet at all. Quite the opposite in fact. So I jumped in the deep end and ordered one online (was cheaper for me). No regrets at all
Logic Pro has been very quiet since we discovered his dark secret.
Where is the PROOF he promised us?
The metric halo is an awesome interface from what I've seen. Although I think people are getting confused here, for the price, the Duet rocks compare to it's competitors, sound and looks wise. Comparing it to interfaces 4x it's price is futile.
Where is the PROOF he promised us?
The metric halo is an awesome interface from what I've seen. Although I think people are getting confused here, for the price, the Duet rocks compare to it's competitors, sound and looks wise. Comparing it to interfaces 4x it's price is futile.
i'm not logic pro
check out my website if you don't believe me...
www.myspace.com/raysongs
the ballad of big nothing was completely recorded on the duet with logic pro 8
check out my website if you don't believe me...
www.myspace.com/raysongs
the ballad of big nothing was completely recorded on the duet with logic pro 8
Heh, hadn't heard too many Elliot Smith covers before. Used to love Angeles.
BTW your tracks seem slightly too muffled and a bit weak (not saying lots of comp on the 2buss is the only way to go, just a little bit more would be nice, for me anyway). Maybe a bit of eq-ing or multiband compression on the 2buss would help.
BTW your tracks seem slightly too muffled and a bit weak (not saying lots of comp on the 2buss is the only way to go, just a little bit more would be nice, for me anyway). Maybe a bit of eq-ing or multiband compression on the 2buss would help.
Lord have mercy on us all. There are EIGHT logic pros?!
lol! 8!? Thats even more than I counted
Apogee Duet - I like it!
So... where are those photos? I also have bought Apogee DUET and I'm really happy about it. Regarding specs - here's answer from the Apogee Tech support:
"With regards to specs, it is important to keep in mind that specs do not tell the whole story. A good example of this is the Rosetta 800, which on paper does not spec out as good as the PSX-100 or the AD-8000, yet sounds a great deal better than both.
It is important to keep in mind that component manufacturers are in the business to sell their products just like we are, and knowing that most people hear with their eyes as much as their ears, strive to reach higher and higher specifications on paper to attract buyers. What we have found is that this does not always translate to better sound quality.
Each time Apogee designs a new product we literally listen to each component and series of components to determine what is the best combination for that box. If the spec is not as good on paper but the box sounds better, we will go with the sound every time. For the Rosetta 800, we could have chosen components with higher specifications; instead we chose the best sounding components.
All that being said, Duet’s (like Ensemble’s) dynamic range is 114 db and THD+N is -100 for both A/D and D/A. While that is very close to the Rosetta spec, the Rosetta’s analog section and power supply are both superior to Duet (as well as Ensemble), giving the Rosetta the edge."
So here's the answer. And as most of the DUET users here will confirm, DUET does sound good! (Read some reviews at http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Duet/reviews/) And with AKG C414 B-XLS and Shure KSM 137 and Rode K2 mics it's quiet. Especially with the former two. I've noticed that many high-end audio components don't have the best specs, yet they sound way better than Hi-Fi with much better tech specs. Probably something similar is here. I haven't had even a single kernel panic with it (I bought mine in April 2008). And it is constantly connected to my MacBook Pro, I have done recordings and use it as a soundcard to listen music in iTunes. I plug in my Senneiser HD650 headphones and it sounds great. What else do I need?
So... where are those photos? I also have bought Apogee DUET and I'm really happy about it. Regarding specs - here's answer from the Apogee Tech support:
"With regards to specs, it is important to keep in mind that specs do not tell the whole story. A good example of this is the Rosetta 800, which on paper does not spec out as good as the PSX-100 or the AD-8000, yet sounds a great deal better than both.
It is important to keep in mind that component manufacturers are in the business to sell their products just like we are, and knowing that most people hear with their eyes as much as their ears, strive to reach higher and higher specifications on paper to attract buyers. What we have found is that this does not always translate to better sound quality.
Each time Apogee designs a new product we literally listen to each component and series of components to determine what is the best combination for that box. If the spec is not as good on paper but the box sounds better, we will go with the sound every time. For the Rosetta 800, we could have chosen components with higher specifications; instead we chose the best sounding components.
All that being said, Duet’s (like Ensemble’s) dynamic range is 114 db and THD+N is -100 for both A/D and D/A. While that is very close to the Rosetta spec, the Rosetta’s analog section and power supply are both superior to Duet (as well as Ensemble), giving the Rosetta the edge."
So here's the answer. And as most of the DUET users here will confirm, DUET does sound good! (Read some reviews at http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Duet/reviews/) And with AKG C414 B-XLS and Shure KSM 137 and Rode K2 mics it's quiet. Especially with the former two. I've noticed that many high-end audio components don't have the best specs, yet they sound way better than Hi-Fi with much better tech specs. Probably something similar is here. I haven't had even a single kernel panic with it (I bought mine in April 2008). And it is constantly connected to my MacBook Pro, I have done recordings and use it as a soundcard to listen music in iTunes. I plug in my Senneiser HD650 headphones and it sounds great. What else do I need?
Guntis, Don't encourage him. He's already been banned now anyway. He had no proof to post because he was actually some PC using school kid that was sore about there being no PC support. No one believed his rubbish here so he registered/borrowed a few new names to back himself up. Seems moderators here spotted the duplicate logins and rightly banned him.
He tried the same crap on some Youtube vid postings too. No surprises that no one believed him there either!
You know somethings up when the Duet gets great reviews and feedback everywhere, yet there is one kid throwing his toys out his pram over it..
He tried the same crap on some Youtube vid postings too. No surprises that no one believed him there either!
You know somethings up when the Duet gets great reviews and feedback everywhere, yet there is one kid throwing his toys out his pram over it..
Thank you! I really enjoy my Apogee Duet. And I think that if you have any questions it's good to ask them to manufacturer. That's what I did regarding tech specs.