apparently ios 5 for iphone 4 doesn't carry Siri

[ipure]

If you owned the company, you'd do the exact same thing. I'm tired of people complaining about things not being available on past iPhones. This is how business works, and yes Siri is capable of working on iPhone 4 but without the speedy chips it wouldn't be as efficient. AND YES, they also don't mind that people will buy the 4s simply for that. Stop complaining

we are customers, and customers are god. if the product has a problem, we have every right to speak up.

i grow tired of you justifying it because it benefits apple as a corporation by doing this. of course in their position they want to make more money, but that doesn't change the fact that this act is BAD for customers. and guess what? you ,me, and 99% of the people are customers, and we don't like getting f'ed in the butt.

 

[mikethebigo]

we are customers, and customers are god. if the product has a problem, we have every right to speak up.

i grow tired of you justifying it because it benefits apple as a corporation by doing this. of course in their position they want to make more money, but that doesn't change the fact that this act is BAD for customers. and guess what? you ,me, and 99% of the people are customers, and we don't like getting f'ed in the butt.

How the **** are you getting f'ed in the butt? Apple never promised you Siri. Your phone does everything it did when you bought it, plus much more. You want a new feature that's exclusive to a new phone? Quit whining and buy the phone.

Talk about #firstworldproblems.

 

[ipure]

Your logic is like saying Final Cut Pro will work on an old iBook with 512 MB of RAM...

except your analogy isn't quite right here. keep in mind that this Siri doesn't consume that much processing power like Final Cut Pro, neither does it need much ram for that matter.

underlying reason is that Siri does heavy lifting on the server side. your iphone at most only needs to translate your voice into text before querying server with that text string in order to get response back. and voice2text as we know can run just fine on iphone4 because old Siri already does it on iphone4.

anyways.... give it some time, i bet some hackers will make Siri available on iphone4 and you will be surprised how well it runs on iphone4

 

[Noisemaker]

wait, you actually bought that crap?
you know only difference as far as Siri is concerned is that iphone4s comes with a faster processor right? but the truth is Siri doesn't need that much processing power to work "perfectly." without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

Actually, why don't you bring up the engineering technicalities? Being a developer for Apple, as well as knowing the hardware of all iOS devices and contributing largely to the development of iOS 5, I guarantee that I'll not only be able to understand the "software engineering technicalities" that you'll undoubtedly sputter out in poor grammar, but I'll also be able to tell you exactly how wrong you are.

The 4S does new things, like any new device does. Since it's clear your daddy won't buy you one, maybe you should consider spending less time acting like a toddler on the internet and get a job to buy yourself the nice things that you want.

 

[ipure]

Actually, why don't you bring up the engineering technicalities? Being a fanboy for Apple, blah blah blah tl dr

I already briefly explained what it takes for Siri to work on an iphone in a previous post. Why don't you read that first, then enlighten us why iphone4 can't handle Siri?

 

[blondepianist]

underlying reason is that Siri does heavy lifting on the server side.

As far as know, Siri does only the voice-to-text processing on the server side. I think you're underestimating the computational expense of natural language processing... if it takes 30 seconds on the dual-core A5, it would take about a minute on the single-core A4, and how many people do you think would stand for that?

I am curious to see exactly how it performs on an A4, but until it can be confirmed otherwise, Apple's claim sounds reasonable.

Plus, those who want similar functionality to the old app can download Dragon Go.

 

[moetownslick]

without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

Call me crazy, but i'd actually like you to go into "much software engineering technicality" and explain it to the rest of us.

 

[Gatteau]

Siri-ously, now?

 

[cjmillsnun]

The editing of photos like they show in the iphone 4S video isn't in either, which is just even more weird, imo.

(or maybe i just missed it completely)

You just missed it.

 

[yanki01]

news to me, thanks CNN

 

[LoganT]

Your phone does everything it did when you bought it, plus much more

I agree that no one should be surprised that Apple didn't put Siri in iOS 5 for iPhone 4 users.

But technically the bit about "does everything it did when when you bought it" isn't true. Users who had an iPhone 2G/3G/3GS/4 could run the Siri application from the App Store and now they can't.

 

[Noisemaker]

I already briefly explained what it takes for Siri to work on an iphone in a previous post. Why don't you read that first, then enlighten us why iphone4 can't handle Siri?

Shocker. Somehow I knew you wouldn't be able to nut up to that challenge. And lashing out like that? You must be even younger than I thought.

The iPhone 4 might handle Siri. But, between the slower network connection speed and the lack of the faster, more advanced processor, the user experience wouldn't be the same as it is on the 4S. For the normal user, they want to be able to talk to Siri and have it respond instantly. For that, the 4S is required, as the iPhone 4 can't provide instant results due to the slower processor and slower connection.

Converting speech to text takes processing power. Taking control of other apps in the OS takes processing power. Sending information to the server takes processing power and connection speed. Interpreting orders from the server takes processing power and connection speed.

You're using the Siri app as a basis, and that's simply idiotic. The Siri App is a gimmick. A proof of concept. It holds no bearing on the Siri that's built into iOS for the 4S. The name might be the same, but the core functionality is nowhere near the same.

Call me a fanboy all you want. I'm still right, you're still wrong, and you literally can't do anything about it. Apple won't release Siri for the iPhone 4. You can whine all you want, but you will never get your way. In the end, I'll enjoy being on the correct side, and Siri and I will have a good chuckle at your expense.

 

[ipure]

Call me crazy, but i'd actually like you to go into "much software engineering technicality" and explain it to the rest of us.

sure, i don't work for apple, but i can roughly guess what's Siri architecture is.

in the most simplified model, siri will do the following:

1. convert voice to text (done on iphone4 locally)
2. send text to apple's server which can process this text (also known as natural language). believe or not this part cannot be done on iphone due to the computational power and resources it needs. (read up on NLP you will understand why)
3. server sends back a string that your iphone can understand so it can perform tasks such as set your alarm at 3am or tell your wife you are cheating on her.

so like i said before, apple uses a lot of servers for this, and they are fully distributed with load balancers, and also probably cache a lot of commonly queried natural languages to save computational power.

another observation is that, iphone4 runs old Siri very very capably, and the new Siri is just an updated version that's integrated with iPhone4s, it does have slightly more functionality but the computational resource requirement doesn't change that much. that's why i said, if old Siri can run on iphone4, new Siri should be able too.

 

[applesith]

but i can roughly guess what's Siri architecture is.

Bye.

 

[Noisemaker]

sure, i don't work for apple, but i can roughly guess what's Siri architecture is.

in the most simplified model, siri will do the following:

1. convert voice to text (done on iphone4 locally)
2. send text to apple's server which can process this text (also known as natural language). believe or not this part cannot be done on iphone due to the computational power and resources it needs. (read up on NLP you will understand why)
3. server sends back a string that your iphone can understand so it can perform tasks such as set your alarm at 3am or tell your wife you are cheating on her.

so like i said before, apple uses a lot of servers for this, and they are fully distributed with load balancers, and also probably cache a lot of commonly queried natural languages to save computational power.

another observation is that, iphone4 runs old Siri very very capably, and the new Siri is just an updated version that's integrated with iPhone4s, it does have slightly more functionality but the computational resource requirement doesn't change that much. that's why i said, if old Siri can run on iphone4, new Siri should be able too.

I love that this is your idea of "software engineering technicality."

What it comes down to is that you have no idea how it really works, so you're going to just guess, but you'll ensure that your guess fits in with your argument which is already totally invalid as Apple has already shown that the iPhone 4 isn't getting Siri.

You see, I get the satisfaction of pointing out how painfully wrong you are with every post. You, on the other hand, keep posting, keep getting proved wrong by multiple users, and keep wasting your own time, despite knowing that you'll never get your way.

Do you also pass time by yelling "MOVE!" at brick walls and/or broken down vehicles?

 

[bartzilla]

I already briefly explained what it takes for Siri to work on an iphone in a previous post. Why don't you read that first, then enlighten us why iphone4 can't handle Siri?

Actually, just for future reference, going "waah waah waah it ought to work on my old iphone because I can't see any difference between the new app and the
old app, so I'm going to assume there isn't any" isn't the same as a technical explanation of how an application behaves.

 

[sakau2007]

To those of you jumping down our throats that we are miffed we don't get siri on iphone 4, consider this:

We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

To those who don't know about it and are not upgrading to 4s, try the free app vlingo.

To the ppl who still dont get why we are upset: imagine if the new fb app coincided with ios5/4s but to get it, you had to upgrade to the 4s. Would be annoying. Now what if you learned that your old facebook app would be killed off with the introduction of the new app (which you can't use unless you get a new phone). This is what apple has essentially done.

 

[bartzilla]

To those of you jumping down our throats that we are miffed we don't get siri on iphone 4, consider this:

We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

To those who don't know about it and are not upgrading to 4s, try the free app vlingo.

To the ppl who still dont get why we are upset: imagine if the new fb app coincided with ios5/4s but to get it, you had to upgrade to the 4s. Would be annoying. Now what if you learned that your old facebook app would be killed off with the introduction of the new app (which you can't use unless you get a new phone). This is what apple has essentially done.

I don't think anyone is "jumping down anyone's throat" for being upset that the old siri has gone. I think a few of us are enjoying watching one person with little or no knowledge about software development assume that the new siri app will run on old hardware because it shares the same name as the old hardware. That's a bit like assuming that OSX 10.7 ought to run one of those funky coloured imacs from 1998 because they've got the same product name as the current 27" behemoths.

 

[Noisemaker]

To those of you jumping down our throats that we are miffed we don't get siri on iphone 4, consider this:

We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

To those who don't know about it and are not upgrading to 4s, try the free app vlingo.

To the ppl who still dont get why we are upset: imagine if the new fb app coincided with ios5/4s but to get it, you had to upgrade to the 4s. Would be annoying. Now what if you learned that your old facebook app would be killed off with the introduction of the new app (which you can't use unless you get a new phone). This is what apple has essentially done.

That would make sense if Siri on the 4S was the same as the app Siri that people are whining about, but it's not. Siri on the 4S is beyond anything the Siri app could do.

Apple bought Siri, and absorbed the company. They're not going to keep Siri's old servers and systems up and running so that the few people that will actually care about the free Siri app can keep using it's rudimentary functions.

 

[sakau2007]

I don't think anyone is "jumping down anyone's throat" for being upset that the old siri has gone. I think a few of us are enjoying watching one person with little or no knowledge about software development assume that the new siri app will run on old hardware because it shares the same name as the old hardware. That's a bit like assuming that OSX 10.7 ought to run one of those funky coloured imacs from 1998 because they've got the same product name as the current 27" behemoths.

But why take away our old siri? And fwiw, id be surprised if iphone 4s couldnt handle the new siri given how well the old siri and vlingo worked. But im just really pointing out apple is screwing iphone4 users by taking away old siri.

 

[mikethebigo]

But why take away our old siri? And fwiw, id be surprised if iphone 4s couldnt handle the new siri given how well the old siri and vlingo worked. But im just really pointing out apple is screwing iphone4 users by taking away old siri.

The original Siri developer himself said for the Siri app they had to make a lot of shortcuts and optimizations for it to work on the hardware available at the time. Now that it's even more advanced than before, it's very reasonable to assume it requires more processing speed.

Also, like I said before, reports are that parts of Siri's program currently process in the GPU that's in the A5, but not the A4.

As for removing the old app, like someone else said, why would Apple continue to support the older version and all of the old Siri servers and technology. Apple never hangs on to the old when the new comes out, it's a Steve Jobs philosophy.

Finally, duh, of course they want you to buy a new phone. Again, are you surprised? Go get an Android if you don't like it.

 

[bartzilla]

But why take away our old siri? And fwiw, id be surprised if iphone 4s couldnt handle the new siri given how well the old siri and vlingo worked.

Why take away the old Siri? I actually think that one's easy: Apple are fanatical about controlling lots of things, including their image and user experience. If someone heard that the new siri was fantastic and then tried the old siri and was less than impressed then that represents a problem for Apple.

And you are, with the greatest of respect, making a lot of assumptions about the difference between new siri and old siri when you assume that the 'old' iphone 4 could handle the new siri. As perhaps are others who assume it would work ok - none of us have tested this so we simply don't know do we?

Maybe it can and Apple are being evil by not letting you run it (this argument perhaps supported by it not being on the ipad 2 either) or maybe there are firm technical reasons for the decision.

But im just really pointing out apple is screwing iphone4 users by taking away old siri.

I really do sympathise with why you feel let down, I've had products I've actually worked on get cut before I felt it was needed and that broke my heart... but as for "screwing iPhone4 users"...? They would be if you had paid for the siri software, but I believe it was a free app.

 

[Fliesen]

Siri, as for now, is in 'beta'
maybe, so are its servers.

have you seen what the avalanche of iOS 4 users upgrading to iOS 5 has done to Apple's servers?
now imagine people unboxing their perfectly new iPhone 4S, wanting to try out siri, having it perform CRAPPILY because of all the iPad and iPhone 4 users practically DDoSing the Siri servers.

I seriously believe it will be limited to iPhone 4S for a limited time only.

 

[sakau2007]

Actually the full version of the old siri was initially a 10 dollarpurchase.

 

[QuarterSwede]

The original Siri developer himself said for the Siri app they had to make a lot of shortcuts and optimizations for it to work on the hardware available at the time. Now that it's even more advanced than before, it's very reasonable to assume it requires more processing speed.

Also, like I said before, reports are that parts of Siri's program currently process in the GPU that's in the A5, but not the A4.

This is absolutely correct. Finally a voice of reason.