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RafaelT

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We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

Removing an App from the App store is NOT removing functionality. Apple nor the developers who put the Apps in the store make any guarantee of how long they will be available for. Removing functionality is removing a feature from the OS.

When Apple sold you the phone it had XYZ features on the phone. You phone now has ABC and XYZ features on the phone so really you should be happy that Apple is so good about adding new features to old devices.

Nobody responding to this thread has the knowledge of the inner workings of Siri, stating that it would work fine on an iPhone 4 is just ignorant, especially given the statements of the original Siri dev who stated they had to take a ton of shortcuts just to get it to function on the 4. Apple has massively overhauled Siri's capabilities and may very well not be able to find shortcuts for everything to make it work.

As for the old Siri app... Why should Apple continue to maintain an old App when they have replaced it with a better system? It costs them money to keep the old Siri going.

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Doesn't ipad 2 have the a5?

Who is to say we won't see it on the iPad eventually?

The main problem though is that while phones almost always have a data connection, which Siri requires, iPads often do not.
 

pezasied182

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Jun 3, 2011
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I'm sure if Siri isn't reliant on any specific hardware, the JB community will get it to work on the 4. I doubt it will work as seamlessly though. I don't get why people are so mad about it. I really hope it isn't compatible with the 4 for hardware reasons so people would stop complaining.
 

Pink∆Floyd

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Okay guys, take a deep breath.

1. Yeah, Apple wants you to buy stuff. Are you actually surprised?

2. I've read that a large part of Siri's processing occurs in one of the two cores of the A5's PowerVR GPU. If this is the case, Siri would never be compatible with iPhone 4.

False.

Hackers will find a way to implemented on iPhone 4, it'll be on Cydia in a couple of weeks
 

RafaelT

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Pink∆Floyd;13574230 said:
False.

Hackers will find a way to implemented on iPhone 4, it'll be on Cydia in a couple of weeks

Maybe, but I bet it won't run well enough for an Apple quality release.
 

DarwinOSX

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No. That was Siri when Apple bought it several years ago. The Siri used now is vastly different and more capable software with the same name. It's really a combination of the old Siri and Dragon dictation plus Wolfram Alpha and some other things.

The day Apple announced the 4s they said Siri would only work on the 4s. This is not news and it is not surprising. This sort of thing requires a lot of cpu power.

Because people with iPhone 4's were rocking SIRI until Apple took it over and announced it would be for iPhone 4S only. Now people who used to have it don't.


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I seriously doubt that and if they do it will run like c**p on a slower single core proc plus bog everything else down.

Pink∆Floyd;13574230 said:
False.

Hackers will find a way to implemented on iPhone 4, it'll be on Cydia in a couple of weeks


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I was with you until you said this is why Siri is not on the 4.

Siri, as for now, is in 'beta'
maybe, so are its servers.

have you seen what the avalanche of iOS 4 users upgrading to iOS 5 has done to Apple's servers?
now imagine people unboxing their perfectly new iPhone 4S, wanting to try out siri, having it perform CRAPPILY because of all the iPad and iPhone 4 users practically DDoSing the Siri servers.

I seriously believe it will be limited to iPhone 4S for a limited time only.


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You are wrong.
Oh it "only" needs to translate voice to text. Natural voice, not keywords, with hooks to multiple apps which nothing else does.
But of course it does more than that on your phone. The servers don't do everything.
You are pretty desperate to prove your conspiracy theory when you resort to just making things up.

except your analogy isn't quite right here. keep in mind that this Siri doesn't consume that much processing power like Final Cut Pro, neither does it need much ram for that matter.

underlying reason is that Siri does heavy lifting on the server side. your iphone at most only needs to translate your voice into text before querying server with that text string in order to get response back. and voice2text as we know can run just fine on iphone4 because old Siri already does it on iphone4.

anyways.... give it some time, i bet some hackers will make Siri available on iphone4 and you will be surprised how well it runs on iphone4
 

john91

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ZebraineZ

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As far as know, Siri does only the voice-to-text processing on the server side. I think you're underestimating the computational expense of natural language processing... if it takes 30 seconds on the dual-core A5, it would take about a minute on the single-core A4, and how many people do you think would stand for that?

I am curious to see exactly how it performs on an A4, but until it can be confirmed otherwise, Apple's claim sounds reasonable.

Plus, those who want similar functionality to the old app can download Dragon Go.

It's not just voice to text. The thing literally interacts with a ton of stuff with the phone, that stuff doesn't just get sent to the cloud for processing, it needs to be done on the phone itself with the phone's own software. The part of understanding what you're saying, is the part the cloud handles, but actually sending it back and putting it into effect, is a whole other aspect that I think only the 4S was designed to handle, and even as fast as it seems it still isn't perfect.
 

sakau2007

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I've been impressed with the free app Vlingo. For all those people who are saying that Siri is so improved that it wouldn't work on iPhone 4... give it a rest. Very few (none?) of you have iPhone 4S's to verify just how well it functions and how it all interacts.

What I can say is Vlingo interacts with facebook, twitter, the maps app, text messaging, and other things and does it very well... and I've seen it all work very well on a 3GS and 4 (not sure of hardware differences between the 3GS and 4).

I think some people on this forum will defend Apple regardless of what they do. Let's face it, they don't get it all right all the time. MobileMe ring a bell? How about that revolutionary antenna they put on the iPhone 4 that left them with egg on their faces?

Given from what I've seen Vlingo do on a 3GS, I have a very, very hard time believing that Siri or a jailbroken Siri won't be able to run on a 4 (and maybe even 3GS).
 

soberbrain

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Hate to break it to the OP that iOS 5 doesn't carry Apple TV mirroring for iPhone 4.
 
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