But a 13" iPad Pro is the same screen size and resolution as a 13 inch laptop. And both can use external displays too.
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Apple Announces New iPad Pro With M4 Chip, OLED Display, and More
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The iPad has all of the same input methods as a laptop (trackpad or mouse, keyboard) with a $60 keyboard case and has touch too. That doesn't seem like a reason to prevent this. Just make such input devices a requirement to activate the desktop mode.
Try using Termius - with it and its settings adjusted it will keep an SSH session live for hours.
Yeah I'm more concerned about possibility that Apple will [continue to] dumb down the MacOS apps and eventually the MacOS itself to the capabilities of the iOS equivalents. [Lookin' at you, iOS Music app: the loss of capability v MacOS iTunes over the years is disheartening.]
Don't get me wrong, I have loved my iPhones and iPads, and their touch-oriented approaches offer unique advantages in their applications, but they have their own niches in my tech solutions for whatever task is next. I never reach for an iOS/iPadOS device when a Mac laptop, the MacOS and apps designed for its capabilities look like the better way for me to get something done.
Bottom line I celebrate this round of Apple's iPad upgrades, and I don't think of any of these tablets as forcing a choice among models or versus an iPhone or laptop. Same as in the kitchen where I have cookware and utensils for different tasks, or in the studio where I'd be crazy to have just dressmaking shears when sometimes it's embroidery or appliqué scissors that are called for.
Can see it now.
Sitting on the couch and I add a new album to my music library, but then I have to get up and find my MK just to edit the song tags.
My problem with iPad Pro's are their price. iPad sales have continued to drop year over in recent history, and with these prices I guarantee that will continue.
So after finding this yesterday: https://about.att.com/story/2024/apple-ipad-air-and-ipad-pro.html
I was told today by an AT&T rep that it's being released for order at 8am EST on the 10th. Wonder what changed in less than 24 hours?!
I was told today by an AT&T rep that it's being released for order at 8am EST on the 10th. Wonder what changed in less than 24 hours?!
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I think that is case sensitive. As an engineer an iPad cannot do what I need. As a consumptive consumer an iPad can do all I need. Love if I could replace my MBP with an iPad. Maybe someday but not yet.
Thanks, I will try this. Currently I am using Prompt from Panic.
In fact, the answer to your question here is "not exactly", and your followup statement about max power consumption is incorrect. That's because chips don't run at their maximum possible speed in actual devices.
M chips run at lower speeds in iPads than in MacBooks, specifically due to heat (and to some extent also battery) considerations. They will ramp down in speed further under heavy use to keep thermal load constrained. Apple carefully controls this in software. People sometimes refer to this as throttling, which is a sorta-accurate but misleading word.
The right way to think about it is this: Apple have a thermal and power use ceiling they don't want to exceed. And thanks to physics, those two factors come out to basically the same thing: thermals and power use will move as one. (Well, not exactly, but they head in the same direction, so you ratchet up allowed performance until you hit whichever limit you hit first.) They limited the M2 in the iPP to that chosen level. You can expect that they will do the same thing with the M4. So, while my "for the same performance" isn't directly relevant to the iPad, "for the same heat" is. "For the same battery consumption" is too, mostly, though it may change a bit based on changes in the size of the battery. And those again strictly favor the M4 over the M3 and the M3 over the M2, meaning my original conclusion is still correct.
It is likely that the new copper and graphite heat spreaders in the M4 iPPs give Apple the leeway to allow the M4 to run hotter than the M2, actually, which skews things a bit. But probably not enough to change any conclusions, because they still face battery limits even if thermal headroom has improved a bit.
Coming back to the original point: Because chips can run at a wide variety of clock speeds depending on thermal and power limits, and do so in different devices in the real world, you need to control for that to talk about them meaningfully. So, your "0-5%" comment is true, and it's useful in the context of comparing M2 to M3 MacBooks. But it's not useful for talking about expected behaviors in a different device like an iPad.
Do you have your face 7 inches from a laptop screen that you are drawing on and selecting menus with your finger?
What is wrong with people….
All you really want is drop down menus form the menu bar and windowing, the latter already exists on iPadOS with Stage Manager.
Everything else about macOS or a desktop UI is completely unsuitable for touch on a small display. Microsoft tried. They failed at that size. Touching a desktop UI is garbage.
Windows 8.0 just entered the chat.
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Just stop. It’s an iPad. Aside from technical issues the product isn’t even Mac so you can’t put a macOS on there without taking a big fat **** on the whole history of branding.
FFS it’s not hard to understand. The world doesn’t revolve around 0.001% of people who want something nobody else asks for.
It's all speculation at this point.
The M2 was a 20w chip in Mac and the M3 was 20 or 21w depending on who you believe. I doubt the M4 will vary much from that. Do we have any idea how many watts peak M1 or M2 used in iPad? Regardless, they won't be maxing out at 50% of what M2 did... if they can, they're basically really bloody fast iPhone chips!
Even from the consumer side only I agree, which is why I bought an MBA M2 after being iPad only for 6 months (12.9 M1 Pro + MK).
But it is inching there. And the new keyboard has an ESC key. I may be reading too much into it, but WWDC is around the corner. XCode for iPad anyone?
Well stated. For me (and I'd argue most people) it mainly comes down to muscle-memory; I'm older and FASTER on a Mac for many tasks due to familiarity.
When coming into the iPad I had to LEARN to do things differently. But once I did, I started to see that Apple is not being lazy with this, they THINK about how a touch device changes their perception of the "best way" to get something done, and how to keep it both familiar AND intuitive. From a software design perspective, it is a NIGHTMARE, and you cannot please everyone. However, the iPhone and iPad are so similar that the learning curve is mitigated big time.
All that said, it IS frustrating for Apple to dumb down apps for the Mac. I hate the Music App regardless of platform. Apple needs to FIX IT.
Yes. Less, because it has a lower thermal limit than the Macs. You can see that in the maximum clock speed. (Which I'm too lazy to look up- check everymac or wikipedia.)
Um what?
This is where people get hung up all the time.
The reason the iPad was (only recently) given trackpad and mouse support is for one thing and one thing only:
To improve the text-editing experience for longer typing sessions, which can extend into multitasking (like pulling pics to attach on a doc, for example).
This was not done to change the software's primary input method.
Thus, the iPad CAN have the same input methods as a laptop, but as a concession, not a rule.
If iPads run M2 at 50% of the Mac 20w max, that's 10w, and if M4 runs at half of that, that's 5w, which is iPhone territory.
Edit: It's past my bedtime 🥱
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This sounds great in theory (I liked Samsung's admittedly unpolished Dex thing).
Same could be said in reverse: a touch-screen iMac that can run iPadOS or Mac OS would be cool in my opinion.
I suspect there may be more technical considerations, but I also recognize that Apple doesn't really want to cannibalize its sales in an ABSOLUTE way.
Thus, the iPad and the Mac will FOREVER remain separate devices.
iPad users may already know how to use iPadOS with a keyboard and/or with both kb and mouse.
Now you'd be thrusting a COMPLETELY different (and likely unfamiliar) OS upon them.
You'd need a select screen where the choice is presented, AND explain what the choice means. And figure out how and when to switch back to iPadOS...
Desperate for it as some of you may be, it's just not going to happen, folks.
If you want/need macOS, get a Mac. Apple is all but SCREAMING this from the rooftops:
Ah, I see.
There's no reason for them to do that. As I said above, they pick a point on the power/performance curve to satisfy thermal necessities (and possibly battery). Cutting it from 10w to 5w wouldn't produce an optimal outcome.
In fact, I think we can conclude that the SoC will be able to draw a bit more power in this generation, due to the inclusion of copper and graphite spreaders.
Early this year (or fairly recently), Mark Gurman mentioned in a Bloomberg post that Apple is working on Macbooks with touch screens, so who knows