Apple Announces Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) 2007

[Peace]

I point to my earlier post on page 1 of this thread. I agree with your reasoning, but I just can't see how Apple would be ready to preview 10.6/11.0 that soon after releasing Leopard.

If past practices by Apple is any gauge they could at the very least tell developers what's going to be in 10.6..

Tiger was released April 29th 2005 and then Apple announced the transition to Intel at the WWDC05 and said the next OS would be called Leopard.

I see no reason to think this won't happen this year.Apple has gone past the transition and can now concentrate more on the OS than they did earlier.

 

[flukewurm]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Leopard's delays may have something to do with the potential emergence of a multitouch Mac?

if you are right about this, and apple does it RIGHT, i don't give a F#CK what it costs i will own one the day it ships.

 

[72930]

if you are right about this, and apple does it RIGHT, i don't give a F#CK what it costs i will own one the day it ships.

Mmm...touch screens...

 

[BoRegardless]

If Apple engineers are like me, they would want the iPhone to be able to automatically connect to their MacBook Pro which is closed and access info without opening the MBP.

Maybe they'll finally announce iLife '07.

I think Leopard will be released at WWDC just in time to show off the "secret features" that hooks up with iPhone in some kinky, sexy ways we haven't seen yet. That's my expectation, at least.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

If past practices by Apple is any gauge they could at the very least tell developers what's going to be in 10.6..

Tiger was released April 29th 2005 and then Apple announced the transition to Intel at the WWDC05 and said the next OS would be called Leopard.

I see no reason to think this won't happen this year.Apple has gone past the transition and can now concentrate more on the OS than they did earlier.

I'd like to see a preview of Mac OS X 10.6 or 11.0 as much as you would. What I wonder is how stable such an early build would be, if Apple shows one off.

 

[Stella]

I'd like to see a preview of Mac OS X 10.6 or 11.0 as much as you would. What I wonder is how stable such an early build would be, if Apple shows one off.

LOL, your joking aren't you - or anyone expecting to see 10.6

10.5 would be just out the door - Apple won't be showing anything in 10.6, in fact it won't be mentioned.

Remember after 10.4 was released? WWDC was just after this and SJ reviewed 10.4 and didn't mention 10.5.

 

[Squire]

Maybe they'll finally announce iLife '07.

God knows it could use a major upgrade, especially iDVD, which I've been fighting with for the last 5 days.

I think Leopard will be released at WWDC just in time to show off the "secret features" that hooks up with iPhone in some kinky, sexy ways we haven't seen yet. That's my expectation, at least.

Given the June announcement, I think Apple will release new Mac Pros sometime in late February or early March, otherwise the line-up would have gone without a refresh for nearly 10 months!

I agree wholeheartedly. I can sense your sarcasm but others seem to truly believe we'll get iLife at WWDC. Those of you expecting iLife '07 at the developer's conference are way off, I think. Wouldn't it be foolish to introduce an '07 product (especially one that typically arrives in early January) in June? And the Mac Pros? Aren't quad core Xeons already shipping? What's the holdup with the octo-core Mac Pros?

I'm worried that Apple will hold one event to introduce new Mac Pros AND unveil Leopard-- in effect, delaying the release of the desktops to match the OS release. And I expect April. Why? Well, because Steve said "spring" and April is the spring-est month. In addition to the Leopard release, I expect there to be another event between now and WWDC. Perhaps a music/movies/iPod-related event.

-Squire

 

[wrldwzrd89]

LOL, your joking aren't you - or anyone expecting to see 10.6

10.5 would be just out the door - Apple won't be showing anything in 10.6, in fact it won't be mentioned.

Remember after 10.4 was released? WWDC was just after this and SJ reviewed 10.4 and didn't mention 10.5.

No, I wasn't joking - in fact, what you said reinforced the point I was trying to make. That is, it's highly unlikely that Apple would show off the next Mac OS X release at this year's WWDC.

 

[Rocketman]

Never gonna happen.

That sounds like a challenge among posters.

Rocketman

 

[Rocketman]

If past practices by Apple is any gauge they could at the very least tell developers what's going to be in 10.6..

Tiger was released April 29th 2005 and then Apple announced the transition to Intel at the WWDC05 and said the next OS would be called Leopard.

I see no reason to think this won't happen this year.Apple has gone past the transition and can now concentrate more on the OS than they did earlier.

Thanks for your NAB FACTS Peace. It's so refreshing to see facts posted.

I guess I am in the camp where Leopard is so new, it hasn't even been released yet, I doubt we will see 10.6 stuff discussed.

I do think some of the 10.5 stuff is game changing and needs a full year to digest.

ZFS
Wimax
ATN (iPhone and thin allscreen MacBookPro) (ATNN).
AT&T network issues
never forget the many apps now shipping and being released
OSX lite
Server stuff which is high end developer central

I also think the OSX brand is so strong we will see 10.10 and 10.11 before we see 11.0.0.

Apple is a branding company.

When is Apple going to dominate the enterprise?

Rocketman

 

[Peace]

Thanks for your NAB FACTS Peace. It's so refreshing to see facts posted.

I guess I am in the camp where Leopard is so new, it hasn't even been released yet, I doubt we will see 10.6 stuff discussed.

I do think some of the 10.5 stuff is game chganging and needs a full year to digest.

ZFS
Wimax
ATN (iPhone and thin MacPro) (ATNN).
AT&T network issues
never forget the many apps now shipping and being released
OSX lite
Server stuff which is high end developer central

I also think the OSX brand is so strong we will see 10.10 and 10.11 before we see 11.0.0.

Apple is a branding company.

When is Apple going to dominate the enterprise?

Rocketman

I said "If past practices by Apple is any gauge they could at the very least tell developers what's going to be in 10.6.."

Didn't mean to imply Apple was going to do a step by step preview of the next release.Based on the assumption that OS 10.5 would be out before WWDC Apple could at the least give devs a name and a couple small glimpses of whats to come.Since WWDC does include forward looking stuff for developers I stand by my opinion

[edit] I might add that nowhere is the word "Leopard" to be found anywhere in the initial WWDC announcement. [/edit]

 

[wmmk]

1:Leapord/ilife07/iwork07 will already be released by June wwdc. Therefore allowing:
2:New Imac product line to be announced.
3:New Mac mini line to be announced.
4:New true video iPod.
What do you guys think.

WWDC is for devs. Most devs don't give a hoot about any of the stuff you mentioned, but who knows?

Widgets and Cover Flow were already available in the market before Apple added the functionality to OSX (widgets) and iTunes (Cover Flow).

as a matter of fact, apple just bought coverflow, cleaned up the code, and put it in iTunes. they wouldn't even have to write their own new software.

Never gonna happen.

it already has at codeweavers...

If past practices by Apple is any gauge they could at the very least tell developers what's going to be in 10.6..

Tiger was released April 29th 2005 and then Apple announced the transition to Intel at the WWDC05 and said the next OS would be called Leopard.

I see no reason to think this won't happen this year.Apple has gone past the transition and can now concentrate more on the OS than they did earlier.

maybe a name (Lion, I bet), but I doubt that we'll get any ideas of features, even without on-screen previews. That'd just steal too much leopard thunder.

 

[kalisphoenix]

I'm the kind of person who feels that sometimes you have to break backwards compatibility to move forward, but also feel changing something just for the sake of change is stupid. If it ain't broken, don't fix it unless the benefits far outweigh the costs.

One thing I'd like to see is an operating system built from scratch. Don't use any old libraries or anything. I'm sure a lot of software libraries, SDKs, whatever, haven't changed much since they were created. Just in the last 5 years (maybe not even), we've gotten multiple graphics cards set up in SLI mode, multi-core 64-bit procs, hi-def video & audio, cable/dsl modems and a whole lot of stuff. I wonder how efficient the software we use is. I wouldn't be surprised if we could get double the framerates in Doom if we rewrote all the software from scratch. Plus, with cable & dsl modems, internet and network connections are a lot more reliable and faster. Networking protocols like TCP/IP were designed for dial-up connections which tend to be slow and unreliable. If we rewrote the software, we should get a lot better throughput. I know, this would take years to do and hard to get it to everyone. Just curious what it would be like if we did that.

Yeah, you should do something about that.

 

[monke]

Just got the ADC invite, labeled: 'Save the Date for WWDC 2007'.

I'll bet Leopard will be announced that day.

 

[Chundles]

Just got the ADC invite, labeled: 'Save the Date for WWDC 2007'.

I'll bet Leopard will be announced that day.

I'll bet it's announced before it but nevermind. That's an awesome graphic - shows a little of the tweaked graphics for what looks like an iCal update. Looks like the old calendar widget actually with different colours.

Bring on the WWDC!

Oh and here are a list of things which won't be talked about at the WWDC, could someone put 10 seconds on the clock...now:

- iPod
- iMac
- iLife
- iWork
- iTunes
- MacBook
- Mac mini
- Anything that doesn't end in "Pro" or isn't a member of the "Pro Apps" family
- Oh, and Hugh Jackman.

/Dr. Cox

So yeah, remember folks, this is a developers conference so we as consumers won't get a look in. Doesn't mean it won't be very cool though.

 

[G5Unit]

Just got the ADC invite, labeled: 'Save the Date for WWDC 2007'.

I'll bet Leopard will be announced that day.

Ahh beat me to it!

 

[brucku]

Cingular is going to change their rate structure very shortly and give consumers a 50% overall reduction. It will come out very soon.

It'll be another boon to Apple before launch.

would you be referring to a "free incoming calls" type structure ala most of Europe. That would be very nice. *but we already have free in-network calling which they don't, so i dont think we'll get free incoming calls structure.

 

[Chundles]

would you be referring to a "free incoming calls" type structure ala most of Europe. That would be very nice. *but we already have free in-network calling which they don't, so i dont think we'll get free incoming calls structure.

Pretty much everywhere BUT the US/Canada has free incoming calls and SMS. It's a feature of the US/Canadian phone system that I can't get my head around and I think the US consumers should be in an uproar over but they just don't do a thing.

I would think it's a foundation of capitalism - you don't pay for something you don't do. If you don't make a call you don't pay for it.

Down here Telstra were running a scheme where they actually paid you for receiving calls, it wasn't much but it highlights the disgusting nature of the US mobile phone system.

 

[GrandeDrip]

How to kick Vista's ass

Has anyone considered the possibility that Leopard's delays may have something to do with the potential emergence of a multitouch Mac?

After seeing the Jeff Han demonstration at TED, and the iPhone, and noticing the feature sets in Leopard being more and more inclined toward a three-dimensional UI environment, I spoke with a former Apple engineer who interacted with vendors, developers, customers, etc. as part of their product development.

It's a foregone conclusion in his and my mind that Apple is testing working prototypes of a 3-D user interface on a multi-touch tablet Mac. It's just a question of when they'll be ready. Their product development cycles are, according to him, about two years.

I think iPhone is a tactical product in a larger business strategy seeking to leap way ahead of Microsoft and completely redefine, again, the way people use computers. And while I'm very skeptical of the possibility, I do find some suggestions in Leopard's known features (like time machine, cover flow, spaces, etc.) that they may be closer to launching a multitouch Mac than anyone could anticipate.

They certainly surprised the world with the Intel-ready dual binaries of OS X which analysts thought would take another two to three years just to develop and test AFTER Apple announced plans to move to Intel processors.

This is exactly what I have been thinking too (http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve...1/m/505007982831?r=505007982831#505007982831). Many signs point in this direction... patents, TIME.com article, hints in the iPhone interface, etc.

I am glad to see I am not alone in this line of thinking.

 

[brucku]

Pretty much everywhere BUT the US/Canada has free incoming calls and SMS. It's a feature of the US/Canadian phone system that I can't get my head around and I think the US consumers should be in an uproar over but they just don't do a thing.

I would think it's a foundation of capitalism - you don't pay for something you don't do. If you don't make a call you don't pay for it.

Down here Telstra were running a scheme where they actually paid you for receiving calls, it wasn't much but it highlights the disgusting nature of the US mobile phone system.

come on. you can let it go to voicemail. you did "do" it by picking up the call. And you are "doing it" by talking on it longer than 1min. The charges incurred with incoming phone calls are somewhat explainable.

- yes i'm playing my own devils advocate.

 

[Chundles]

come on. you can let it go to voicemail. you did "do" it by picking up the call. And you are "doing it" by talking on it longer than 1min. The charges incurred with incoming phone calls are somewhat explainable.

- yes i'm playing my own devils advocate.

Nope, I didn't make the call, I'm not paying for it.

We do not pay for incoming calls or SMS down here and anyone who tried to bring in such a system would be run out of town.

So you're saying you would rather pay for calls you did not make?

But, enough of this, back to the topic of the WWDC. What's coming in June that we could expect to see? Pro App updates? A Mac Pro redesign?

 

[SiliconAddict]

The rumored iPhone launch coincides with this time period. I don't consider this chance. there is simply no rush for Apple to get an SDK out for the iPhone when they know that they will sell several tons of iPhones within weeks of its release. My biggest complaint is that if an SDK is in the works why not just come out and say so instead of irking off a lot of people with more of Jobs's cloak and dagger routine. It would have been one less thing for people to bitch about.

Frankly the whole limited app thing is the second biggest issue for me.

PS- I can't wait for people to start the complaining about Cingular. All because you want a snazzy new phone. Never let it be said that the forums didn't warn you.

 

[peharri]

They'll do what they have done for every other OSX release that arrived outside of any Mac World / Developer conference.

Yes, demo it at the previous MacWorld/WWDC.

That's why it's not going to come out until after WWDC. It wasn't demo'd at this MWSF. The next available event is WWDC.

 

[peharri]

Apple at any moment can call a special event to launch Leopard.
I am pretty sure this is what is going to happen.

No, they can't, for the reasons I said originally.

The target group for Leopard features is not well served by journalists and industry figures. It's the Mac community. Short of them organizing another MacWorld at a month's notice, there's no such event before WWDC.

 

[peharri]

Pretty much everywhere BUT the US/Canada has free incoming calls and SMS. It's a feature of the US/Canadian phone system that I can't get my head around and I think the US consumers should be in an uproar over but they just don't do a thing.

I would think it's a foundation of capitalism - you don't pay for something you don't do. If you don't make a call you don't pay for it.

Down here Telstra were running a scheme where they actually paid you for receiving calls, it wasn't much but it highlights the disgusting nature of the US mobile phone system.

The US has free incoming (as in no additional charges beyond the monthly subscription) calls, from certain Sprint plans to "no airtime charges" carriers like MetroPCS/Cricket. For almost all other carriers, on regular talk plans, airtime charges are non-existant at nights and weekends.

Most other countries have schemes where the caller pays (usually a premium) for calls that are incoming to cellphones. These are not "free incoming calls" by any stretch of the imagination, except perhaps to people who never make outgoing calls.

Telstra's scheme (Three, in the UK, has something similar) actually demonstrates the absurdity of making people pay extra to call mobiles. In most cases, the amounts charged are much higher than they should be. Why, exactly, should someone be paid for receiving a call, if they're not operating a premium rate service? Why would I want my friends and family to pay me whenever they want to talk to me?