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Apple Argued Safari Is Three Different Browsers to Avoid Regulation
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Reasonable? I bet you applauded when the feds found Microsoft guilty of the exact same stuff back in the day.
Lol. You think the review really stops that much junk. It does not really take that much effort to get around it and hide malware from a reviewer. Big time of you have remote configuration code. I do it for where I work turn off some features. That or you know that the malware is not easy to see as the reviewer mostly just poke around. I am speaking a an iOS Dev with other a decade of experience doing it for multiple companies. I have turned off features remotely, made minor changes to the review account hiding some features or flat out resubmitted as a "new build" knowing the odds that the thing they complained about will not come up again in round 2. Those things are generally done because easier and faster to go that route than appeal process that Apple is wrong about.
Also it is pretty telling you have no clue how side loading works on andriod and the process that it takes for a user to enable it. It not as straight forward.
Apple could easily do the exact same thing as they do on Mac OS. Not that hard.
Either way you have don't nothing on your argument as it repeating the same pass bs with a new reason. The malware one was used as a reason to not allow any apps.
Okay pal...again, bottom line, a business should be able to do what it wants with it's own products. Because Android exists they do not have a monoply. EU and other governing bodies need to butt out of private business when it comes to user experience. Apple has one responsibility and that's too it's shareholders.
Apple is what the scene calls a leecher? Well good for them for being smart enough to leech and become one of the worlds most valuable and beloved companies.
However, I do think you have your answer, let Linux power the EU. Good luck with that. Of course that will never happen either as that title belongs to the products from Microsoft.
As far as healthcare, either the government taxes you to death and pays for it, or the individual pays for it...but that is not here or there to this topic.
As far as big thisty v8s and who takes over the business....it's going to be a lifetime to see that change.
Anyway, glad you think the US is a nice place, but again that is neither here nor there.
As long as they follow local/regional laws and regulations where they do business.
The existence of alternatives in a market does not mean there can't be a monopoly in that market. For example, Microsoft was declared a monopoly with Windows in the 1990s despite the existence of alternatives like Mac OS, OS/2, Linux, BeOS, etc.
How a monopoly, duopoly, dominance, etc. is legally defined or designated can vary by county, region, case, etc.
They have more than one responsibility. Another is to follow local/regional laws where they choose to do business.
Yup, my point is the EU regulation on private companies business when it comes to end user expierence. is garbage and shouldn't be doing it....literally what I'm saying. Just because it's "law" doesn't mean it's right. Regulating pollution or things like that is a different story.
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The EU is an excrement hole. They try to push their agenda on companies all around the world. People should be free to make their own decisions and deal with the risk and the rewards.
I would say pull out of the EU market altogether. And I am a significant owner of AAPL shares. I will take whatever loss the decision brings.
I understand how this would impact third-party appstores on iOS and iPad OS, but how would these regulations impact safari itself?
As a Safari user myself, the regulation won't affect me specifically.
I only hope all the apps I use (which aren't many) will remain available on the appstore, as I'd like to keep sideloading disabled when Apple will undoubt.
As a Safari user myself, the regulation won't affect me specifically.
I only hope all the apps I use (which aren't many) will remain available on the appstore, as I'd like to keep sideloading disabled when Apple will undoubt.
as much as I agree, that isn't an option. It's the top 3 markets in the world...I'm guessing after the US, it's the biggest....that said, maybe thats exactly what they should do. I find it hard to believe the peope of the EU would stand for the EU banning one of the biggest tech companies in the world from doing business in one of the largest economies long term because of petty bs like this.
Chromium forked off of webkit a long time ago (their web engine is actually called Blink). They've been on their own fork since 2014 I think, so have diverged from Webkit quite a bit. But yea, we are pretty much down to only a few web engines.
I'm not sure that this is a bad thing though. The web runs better when everything is run off of standards, and having more web engines could possibly muddy the waters a bit if some of them then started implementing propriety web features ala media codecs, or some strange runtime things like silverlight or flash.
1. There are hundreds of computer manufacturers, but all using just one software: windows. Except for the macs and maybe the google chromebooks, every computer out there is basically using MS Windows as its OS regardless of who manufactures the hardware. So it’s basically just three choices for us. Likewise in the smartphone market: every manufacturer but apple uses android to power their smartphones, so it’s just ios or android we have as choices.
2. Given the current situation, if apple were to leave, Android would basically become a smartphone monopoly. It’s clear by now that no smartphone manufacturer in the world is interested in investing to develop its own OS, that’s why they all go the easy way and use Android. If they were interested, they’d have already done so and there would be more mobile OS options than just iOS or Android.
I thought of this too, but also came to the conclusion that overall this makes Apple look worse. So the lawyers should’ve come to a better argument, so that this wouldn’t get reported in the news cycle in this manner.
Actually no. The Chinese market is bigger than the EU market. Due to China’s huge population, even Apple’s small percentage share of the Chinese market represents about as many people as the entire US smartphone market.
My opinion stands that life should go on in the EU without iPhones.
Yet the EU sees fit to label them a gatekeeper.
I've been back and forth with this same conversation with a few people for some time. I'm only providing my opinion. If it was me running Apple. I'd make plans to leave the EU in totality. I'm spiteful like that. I'd double down on the India, African, Middle Eastern, and Asian markets And if any EU citizen wants an iPhone. They can do so from any surrounding country that wishes to export it to them. It will cost them more, and i'm sure just as many will be sold as it is today.
Basically, I'd call their bluff.
Why should anyone have to explain a "need"?
They are devices owned by the users, not Apple
Oh we are to go thst argument now. Well let's go down that path without government introvention / fear of more introvention long ago on Microsoft Apple would just be a foot note in the history books.
The point is to prevent massive virtual integration making it impossible for someone else to get in. It is to prevent a market leader from abusing their power to squeeze others out but by your own argument the iPhone should not exist at all as Apple would have been killed off long ago and like I said a foot note in the history books.
Where it get really bad is dropping down to 1 major player is web standards tend to not get followed any more. A single player controls it all with a lot of custom things that only work in their engine. Their was a rough time when a lot of sites ONLY work with IE. They did not bother to check.
Also the cost to make sure the sight works on 2 browsers is expensive, going from 2-3 is a small extra cost but 1 to 2 is massive. That was the biggest issue with the drop of Microsoft trident engine and going chromium.
Chromium and webkit are pretty close to each other and very different than gecko engine.
We need 2 good major engines to make sure web standards get followed. Right now we have well 1.
Choice and competition is good for everyone. I’ll keep using Safari, but with the knowledge it is not going to stagnate because it is the only choice.
If you can't explain the reason of the issue in 15 seconds, it's not an issue, it's trolling.
Apple doesn't force you to buy those devices, you can always hop on Android train.
Safari is the competition to Google hegemony. It's a good thing Chromium is not allowed onto the platform, in the long run.
Just allow other browser engines on the platform Apple. 99% of people are going to use yours as long as you have it pre-installed with no choice screen when installing iOS in the beginning. If the EU pushes to have a choice screen, then Safari is in trouble, because you know people are going to be like, "oh, I use this on my PC, I'll just use it here too." I'd still use Safari since it's made by Apple for Apple devices.
There is an ARM based version of Windows. So it isn't as ludicrous as you make it out to be. I made a product. You want to force me to allow your product on my product even as you actively undermine my product in your ads and try to circumvent the features I build into my product to appeal to my customers. You've even SUED me to try and force me to let you circumvent those features.
If Google wants to run Chrome on iOS, they have to write it to Apple Standards (Webkit).
If Google, or anyone else, wants to force different standards on Apple, and given their less than stellar track record on 'doing the right thing' with regard to privacy, let them pound sand.
If iOS is a cesspool of Garbage, why are you here? All Apple browsers run Webkit, and this is kind of an Apple focused website.
I am able to surf the Web just fine from Apple devices, so 'need' and 'essential' might be strong words. It certainly seems like the internet happens just fine on Webkit.
Nobody needs to explain their needs …especially to a random commenter online (you)