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Can we have Kevin Lynch back leading the Watch? It was better with him at the helm.
 
The iPhone of EVs already exists: Tesla, and Tim Cook realized that. Whenever people say they want an EV, they actually mean a Tesla. This is why Ford, GM, Mercedes have all failed miserably in comparison. The only competition is with Chinese EV companies and that's only for their domestic market.
There are plenty of EVs from various brands that run great.
Love my Tesla, and will get another one next year. However, they’re not the future. There’s simply not enough raw minerals for them to ever be viable for the masses.
Of course there are. Battery technology is rapidly evolving. We’re not going to stay with Lithium forever.

The EU decided to switch the entire EU-fleet to electric by 2035. They wouldn’t have passed this legislation if the tech wouldn’t be there.
 
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. EVs convert over 77% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels. Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12%–30% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels.

And they don’t pollute cities. So yes, they are more green.
Lithium ion batteries and their components on the other hand…
 
I dont think they will ever do a mass market car or TV.. too much risk and investment with big items logistics involved an all. I dont think they want any kind of gamble really that requires big investment and in an already loaded marketplace like cars and TVs where a failure costs a lot more than VR glasses segment for instance.
Electric cars and TVs is going nowhere though and are here to stay, even if I feel some kind of real push hydrogen car is probably on the horizon somewhere as well.

Hydrogen cars are NEVER going to be a thing. It's a dead end.

Hydrogen is quite possibly the single least efficient way to power a car ever thought of. You can make hydrogen from natural gas, in which case you're wasting a lot of energy to do that (and then you've still got the CO2 to deal with), wasting a lot of energy transporting it, and wasting a lot of energy using it in a fuel cell. Or you can make it with electricity and water, in which case it's a MASSIVE waste of electricity. It makes FAR more sense to just use electricity to charge a battery.

Oh, and hydrogen is even more explodey than gasoline.
 
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A good move. Apple seem to go for the premium line in most of their products and it just wouldn’t have worked against established luxury automakers. They would have had to have gone in at the affordable level but Tesla are king there and there are so many others competing in that sector.

I would never have bought a car with a Siri assistant either to be blunt, it’s rubbish at the best of times on all my other Apple products lol.
 
I don't understand people who say this. I know what you're literally saying, and what it means, but you (and others) say it as if it's a big important point.

Tesla hasn't yet enabled it to operate without a driver. That's literally a boolean - a single bit being flipped - away from being on. They haven't enabled it because the software isn't there yet. Nobody said it was. It is close though. Close enough that it could roll out today. Then they'd need to collect data for a few weeks/months to show regulators that a human driver isn't necessary, and maybe allowing humans to override it makes it more dangerous instead of safer.
let's wait until that happens, and, Tesla taking responsibility and liability in case of accidents, which will happen ...

Mercedes is the only one who has a level 3 car (in CA) at the moment and they are denying liability
 
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Hydrogen cars are NEVER going to be a thing. It's a dead end.

Hydrogen is quite possibly the single least efficient way to power a car ever thought of. You can make hydrogen from natural gas, in which case you're wasting a lot of energy to do that (and then you've still got the CO2 to deal with), wasting a lot of energy transporting it, and wasting a lot of energy using it in a fuel cell. Or you can make it with electricity and water, in which case it's a MASSIVE waste of electricity. It makes FAR more sense to just use electricity to charge a battery.

Oh, and hydrogen is even more explodey than gasoline.
Someone needs to let Japan know then.....
 
Phantom braking hasn't been an issue since they moved from radar. The radar readings would occasionally disagree with the vision readings, causing braking. It hasn't been an issue in years.

Absolutely! What's a few pedestrians or semi-trucks if they can solve the phantom braking by getting rid of the only technology that works in the rain, amiright? /s

NHTSA moves slowly, but eventually every Tesla without radar is going to be recalled.
 
Terrible idea from the beginning but hopefully a lot lesarned that could be appicable elsewhere.
 
There's no reason Apple needs to own the car, they need to own the interface. They likely learned enough to know how to offer the integrations that will help keep their devices relevant (CarKey, CarPlay upgrades, etc.). The money is going to be in the other things you can do if your car drives itself. If Apple can get you on an Apple device, or using Apple services, they make money. If Google gets you on a Google device, browsing the web, etc., they make money. They never needed the car, they want your extra free time and eyeballs.
From its beginning, Apple has controlled the hardware. Their reputation for “it just works” came from supporting an Apple printer to work with your Macintosh. You didn’t have to mess with DIP switches. It came with the right cable in the box. Hobbyists preferred to build their own, but Apple was for people who didn’t want to think about technology details.

There are examples of Apple licensing software: Samsung TVs come with an Apple TV app preinstalled. But it’s not the Apple way.
 
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"...and the vehicle would have been on par with Tesla..." Yeah, right. They can't make the car at all but somehow it would be as good as a Tesla? 10 years and nothing to show for it. Did they think Foxcon was going to make it for them? Delusional. The Tesla guys were able to pull it off because they are a scrappy bunch willing to sleep in the factory. Tim Cook? Nope. Apple could've bought Tesla in 2018 but Tim has his head in the sand. And all these years... AI... and ChatGPT etc being developed, and Siri sucked. Suddenly Apple figures it out and the same time my aunt millie figured it out, and now timmy is trying to catch up. Dumb, dumb, dumb. I recall the rumor was the Apple Car would come out in 2020. I was waitig for it. Instead I bought a Tesla in 2023. Fantastic car.
 
I believe precisely none of this. Apple has decided to pretend to cancel the product to buy themselves more time. There is no way in hell they cancel this. No way, José.

Millions they invested? Their investment in Chinese ride-sharing company Didi Chuxing was $1B by itself. Apple have invested many billions of dollars into this and will continue to do so as they refine their self-driving software and street mapping systems.
"Is this about the McRib? Seriously, dude. Let it go."
 
Someone needs to let Japan know then.....

Haven't you heard about Toyota's latest stupid stunt? Anhydrous ammonia!

Sure, it's so poisonous that a tiny leak will kill everybody inside or around the car, but other than that it'll be great!

Hydrogen is not and will never be a serious thing for powering cars. Japan knows this. Toyota knows this. They're trying to keep pretending that ICE cars have a future.
 
Good! I don’t know why ANYONE thought a provider of consumer electronics would suddenly be successful at making cars???

They would be stupidly expensive, completely locked to Apple’s ecosystem and probably worse at basic car things than cars from companies that actually specialize in making cars. And maintenance and repairs would only happen at specialized Apple stores and be also stupidly expensive. It sounds like the worst product. I don’t know why anyone was interested in this. All so CarPlay can work a bit better for you?! Really???

Yes I get it. Tesla. But that was still a company dedicated to making cars. And not simply trying to create a bigger platform for their services which is all that Apple Car would be about.

Everyone assumed because it was Apple they could just make it work (if Google or Microsoft had suggested something similar everyone here would have laughed their asses off). Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea even if it comes from Apple.
 
Absolutely! What's a few pedestrians or semi-trucks if they can solve the phantom braking by getting rid of the only technology that works in the rain, amiright? /s

NHTSA moves slowly, but eventually every Tesla without radar is going to be recalled.
I'm sorry but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Both production AP and FSD Beta work in the rain.
 
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