Sort of like how they always spout about the importance of graphic performance; yet fail to support the best performing GPUs on the market for us Mac Pro owners.
Apple does not care about gaming at all. Never have.
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Apple CAN’T do AAA gaming [Merged Megathread]
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Apple does not care about gaming at all. Never have.
The MacBook Air and Mac Mini have a much better GPU than before with M1. It's day and night. It's really a revolution, nothing less.
But for every other Mac, Apple Silicon's GPU doesn't scale well, in addition to the fact that most games aren't native and you lose 30-40% of performance.
Companies will care when Apple releases a monstrously good GPU. So good that it will open new doors and only the Mac will be able to provide the genuine experience of these games. But the competition (nVidia and AMD) are ridiculously good. Apple Silicon had a problem to fix : Intel wasn't getting any better. Apple Silicon was on target : it's crushing it. But GPUs are not a problem to fix. And Apple Silicon is actually being crushed by the competition.
Let's see how M2 makes the GPU better. It was the main objective of this version.
But for every other Mac, Apple Silicon's GPU doesn't scale well, in addition to the fact that most games aren't native and you lose 30-40% of performance.
Companies will care when Apple releases a monstrously good GPU. So good that it will open new doors and only the Mac will be able to provide the genuine experience of these games. But the competition (nVidia and AMD) are ridiculously good. Apple Silicon had a problem to fix : Intel wasn't getting any better. Apple Silicon was on target : it's crushing it. But GPUs are not a problem to fix. And Apple Silicon is actually being crushed by the competition.
Let's see how M2 makes the GPU better. It was the main objective of this version.
I would argue at the power envelope of the M1/M2, the GPU is very competitive. But hard core gamers do not typically care about power efficiency, and competing Window notebooks with separate GPU dies actually have an advantage as they can be cooled independently from the CPU; but again hard core gamers do not buy laptops as primary gaming machines.
People who crave high end graphic performance (not gaming) generally do not care about power efficiency either at the cost of performance. Time is money, anything that makes everything render faster is better.
People who crave high end graphic performance (not gaming) generally do not care about power efficiency either at the cost of performance. Time is money, anything that makes everything render faster is better.
It’s true and it’s funny but on the other hand I knew this going in and still can’t help but be disappointed.
Tim Cook would like to introduce you to something called Apple Arcade. He thinks you’re gonna love it.
You won’t.
Same with this one.
But I just want to reiterate what I said, you get a lot of the same lame excuses from people, proving my point. "Apple has never made gaming a priority" lol what? They have tried time and time again to do it on Mac, really they concentrate on it much more so on their other devices now. I suspect it could get better again especially in the future when the majority of the industry is ARM based, but it also doesn't help that Apple has a tendency to piss off a lot of their partners or companies that provide these games (See Steam, Epic) and that Microsoft themselves needs to have a differentiating factor in why you buy a PC so they have been getting more into the Xbox stuff on PC.
Buy a Playstation. This is so silly.
I've had Macs for 20 years. They've NEVER been gaming computers. Literally ever. Even during intel days the GPUs were just not gaming optimised. It's not a thing.
There's better equipment for this.
I've had Macs for 20 years. They've NEVER been gaming computers. Literally ever. Even during intel days the GPUs were just not gaming optimised. It's not a thing.
There's better equipment for this.
I have been enjoying Nintendo Switch recently. I don't want to tolerate lacking games on macOS, electricity-hungry games on Windows, and pay-to-win games on mobile operating systems.
What makes you believe that? Do new games use Vulkan instead of DirectX 12? Do Steam stats show this trend?
Do you think Steam Deck will make a difference and game developers will start releasing games for Linux instead of relying on Proton?
The latest Asahi Linux blog post (July) explains:
Does anyone have more info about this demo?
Fully agree. Indie games is where it is these days. I am getting far more enjoyment out of Satisfactory, Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Terraria (each have AT LEAST 500 hours which is good price per hour entertainment) than games like Halo Infinite that I play 16 hours and drop it for a couple years until I want to play it again.
I used to treat EA and big gaming events as holidays. But still waiting for games announced years ago. Some were even put on indefinite hold after announcing. Most recent was the KOTOR remake.
And lets not pretend its perfect on the PC space. We are JUST NOW getting Spider-Man which was a 2018 game and we are getting the remastered version. We are not getting the next chapter in FF7 Remake or God of War. I am not keeping my hopes high for getting Persona 6 whenever it comes out immediately on PC. I don't like consoles, but these games are exclusives to them for years at least. And when ports DO happen, its generally pretty poor. I was not happy with the level of performance with the FF7 Remake with my $3,500 gaming PC with a 3080 Ti. It runs more smoothly on the PS4 and PS5.
And also lets not pretend Apple's hardware is to blame here. My other PC is still rocking an old GTX 1080 and can still play new games just fine. The base M1 gets better performance out of optimized games than the 1080 does. My 2019 i9 iMac with a 5700XT is a 30% improvement over the 1080 (likewise I have a 5700XT sitting on my shelf when I used AMD GPUs in that other gaming PC until Adobe programs ended up locking up so I switch back to NVIDIA even though its a 30% drop in gaming, at least my main PC has a 3080 Ti).
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I said this might happen, not that this is currently happening.
I think Windows dominance is tied to x86 - the more we move away from x86, the less games will be tied to Windows. This is because Microsoft likely won't catch up with Windows on ARM fast enough - they're hopeless.
Nope. You do have a few (still non-native) possibilities, but where >95% of my Steam catalog is available (via Proton or natively) on my Linux gaming computer, less than 20% of titles in total are available on Apple Silicon as yet.
Just as bad: while theoretically playable, the framerates in many of the games that do work are nowhere near what you'd expect from the hardware, and the lack of framerate consistency makes competitive playing an exercise in frustration in several of the games.
I’ll take it off your hands if you’re not into it, man!
How much experience gaming on Mac do you have that Lutris clones are the things you complain about?
Is this your first Mac? And, you’re complaining about Linux gaming having better support than Mac gaming does. You must be aware that Linux games are primarily being sold on Steam!?! Because Valve decided to support Linux some years ago, it still doesn’t soften the blow that Linux gamers on Steam numbers about half that of Mac gamers on Steam!
Did you really blind-buy a Mac Mini without checking out to see if would play the games you want to play? If so, that doesn’t sound like an Apple problem. It sounds like a you problem.
Respectfully.
You knew that about it before you bought it, didn’t you?
Which games do you want to play but can’t on your Mac? Let’s get as specific as possible.
Can’t tell if serious or if it’s just a little jape?
Because Steve Jobs worked at Atari before he and Woz started Apple.
I don’t want to answer for anyone else, but I game on the same computer i work on, which is my Mac (a late 2012 iMac).
It seems like everybody else knows better than Apple how to fix gaming on the Mac!
I’m familiar with the Epic lawsuit and the fallout from that, but what happened between Apple and Steam?
Lol, you realize that you’re not posting in the Console gaming sub forum. This is the Mac and PC gaming sub forum, which is why you’re finding people considering other equipment for gaming, as imperfect as it is.
For me, I game on the same computer as I work on, which is my Mac.