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He’s just watching the “news”. This is why the left got crushed. Tim is a smart business man, he knows what he is doing.
Yep. The same news that told everyone that Harris was ahead in the polls, and wiping away Trump's lead amongst different demographics.

They probably already knew she was losing in their internal polling, but kept blowing smoke up people's behinds in order to keep the huge donations going , which they then blew (over a billion) on who knows what in a matter of months.

Then when Harris landed flat on her ass, they started putting the blame on the same demographics that were supposedly switching sides to vote for Harris.
 
1. They say it all the time.

And when then do, they mean free at the point of use. Not that doctors and nurses would be working for free. You do realize that USA is basically the only country in the world with this convoluted system for healthcare, and you are spending way more money on it than other countries are. Do you enjoy wasting money?
2. I am on the hook for them. When the government forgives the debt, who the hell do you think is giving the governemnt the money to forgive those debts?
There are basically two scenarios of forgiving student debt: either it's government issued the debt, in which case they basically just write to off. The debt disappears, and nobody is going to paying for it. This includes you, with your super-hard-earned money. Or the second scenario is that the government buys back a bunch of debt for pennies on the dollar from private issuers. In this case you could maybe say that government should use that money for something else instead, but we are talking about quite small sums in the grand scheme of things. Government spends tiny amount of money, and bunch of people receive orders of magnitude bigger benefit in return.

You have this classic mentality where you see something that does not harm you in any shape or form, but benefits someone else, so you oppose it. Because "other people" should suffer I guess?

Forgiving debts that make no sense??? No. What doesn't make sense is the mentality that you and others feel entitled to the money I busted my ass to EARN inorder to pay for the worthless degree you got.

Don't worry, your money is not being spent on this. And debts that make no sense, as in the debt collect interest, and the person pays it back like he should, and after paying it back for years and years, he still has more or less the original sum to be paid back.
Quit whining about the debt YOU incurred, go get jobs to pay off YOUR loans and make sacrifices to do it and quit expecting me to pay for it.
I have no student debts for you to worry about. I'm 40+ year old guy from Finland.

And it's interesting that you have no problems when government forgave the PPP loans. Biden administration has forgiven about 175 billion worth in student debt. That's apparently bad, even thought that's not the amount of money they have spent on this, not even close. But you don't say a peep when the government forgave 793 billion in PPP debt. That's about 4.5 times more. Why aren't you upset that your "hard-earned" money was spent on forgiving PPP loans?
 
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I think the thread has nicely established how absolutely hosed the USA is

Everyone thinks everyone else is crazy/wrong/terrible/the enemy

It's so sad to watch this (no matter which political persuasions once approaches it from)

I wish we could reboot things and try again from about the 1970s on --- or perhaps even just the start of the mainstream Internet era
 
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Bribery is not legal in the United States. It is considered a criminal offense under both federal and state laws, and it is prohibited in both the public and private sectors.
Yes sure it is...as it should been a normal democracy. Unfortunately this is just paper rules...practice is so much different, that I have to laugh about this (I could not answer with only smileys, because forum rules forbid me to).
 
He’s just watching the “news”. This is why the left got crushed. Tim is a smart business man, he knows what he is doing.
Considering that he 'soon' - but not soon enough for me - will retire from Apple, he's probably looking for a new job in Politics 🤭
 
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All the family members of Americans that have been raped or murdered by illegal aliens would like a word...
Immigrants, legal and otherwise, commit crimes at VASTLY lower rates than natural born citizens.

As others have pointed out, the President-elect has raped and/or sexually assaulted numerous women. He surrounds himself with convicted felons and has vowed to pardon violent criminals.
 
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And when then do, they mean free at the point of use. Not that doctors and nurses would be working for free. You do realize that USA is basically the only country in the world with this convoluted system for healthcare, and you are spending way more money on it than other countries are. Do you enjoy wasting money?

There are basically two scenarios of forgiving student debt: either it's government issued the debt, in which case they basically just write to off. The debt disappears, and nobody is going to paying for it. This includes you, with your super-hard-earned money. Or the second scenario is that the government buys back a bunch of debt for pennies on the dollar from private issuers. In this case you could maybe say that government should use that money for something else instead, but we are talking about quite small sums in the grand scheme of things. Government spends tiny amount of money, and bunch of people receive orders of magnitude bigger benefit in return.

You have this classic mentality where you see something that does not harm you in any shape or form, but benefits someone else, so you oppose it. Because "other people" should suffer I guess?



Don't worry, your money is not being spent on this. And debts that make no sense, as in the debt collect interest, and the person pays it back like he should, and after paying it back for years and years, he still has more or less the original sum to be paid back.

I have no student debts for you to worry about. I'm 40+ year old guy from Finland.

And it's interesting that you have no problems when government forgave the PPP loans. Biden administration has forgiven about 175 billion worth in student debt. That's apparently bad, even thought that's not the amount of money they have spent on this, not even close. But you don't say a peep when the government forgave 793 billion in PPP debt. That's about 4.5 times more. Why aren't you upset that your "hard-earned" money was spent on forgiving PPP loans?
Covid set the dems up for failure in the 2024 election. No matter how you slice it, debt forgiveness is on the shoulders of the citizens. My take on the student loan forgiveness, it was emotional to the American people due to all who had to borrow for their college education and yet could not get their money back.
 
Does that exclude “democracy”? …does it exclude “autocracy”? Does it exclude “dictatorship”?
 
Does that exclude “democracy” …does it exclude “autocracy”? Does it exclude “dictatorship”
 
Constitutional republic is a form of democracy.
No…cannot be, because (according to I7Guy), Trump wasn't elected....so not a majority of votes for him (and that should be the core of any democracy, I think). Technically not a democracy.
 
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Tim Cook and Donald Trump are a match made in heaven. They both believe that taxpayers' money shouldn't go towards programs that help those taxpayers (such as universal healthcare), but rather should be donated to morbidly rich people and corporations.

The people who defend Cook for giving customers less for their money because he has a "fiduciary duty to maximize profits for shareholders," are very similar to the people who defend American private healthcare insurance CEOs for murdering 68,000 of their paying customers every year by denying them coverage because those CEOs (and their defenders) think the greatest moral good is for CEOs to fulfill their fiduciary duty to maximize profits for shareholders.
 
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Tim Cook and Donald Trump are a match made in heaven. They both believe that taxpayers' money shouldn't go towards programs that help those taxpayers (such as universal healthcare), but rather should be donated to morbidly rich people and corporations.

The people who defend Cook for giving customers less for their money because he has a "fiduciary duty to maximize profits for shareholders", are very similar to the people who defend American private healthcare CEOs for mudering 68,000 of their paying customers every year by denying them coverage because the greatest moral good is for CEOs to fulfill their fiduciary duty to maximize profits for shareholders.
The next four years have to be better than the last four years. There was a reason, even if some deny it, why the dems lost big time. Do you have some citation, other than a youtube video, that CEOs have murdered their customers? Of course that was framed in such an inflammatory way that it is probably separated from the facts by a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon.
 
Yes:
This is part of the reason the dems got booted out. On one hand, they want to reduce/eliminate social security and medicare and the other they want to expand big social programs. However, the ACA, otherwise known as Obamacare, which went into effect in 2010 is supposed to provide each and every American the medical treatment they need. Another big social program by the democrats. In the meantime, since this is front-lined by Bernie Sanders and prior to COVID all that has changed now. So bottom line, I don't buy that "study".
 
Yes:

A key reason we can't have better social services is that Americans are obsessed with any notion that "someone might get something they don't deserve"

This has borne itself out in UBI studies and trials also -- where people were on the average better off and liked the program but showed concern about any wider rollouts of such a concept because...."reasons"
 
In that case....America is not a democracy (anymore?). Interested in what you think.
The US was never supposed to be a (pure) democracy. (Pure) democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. We are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. In a Constitutional Republic there are limits on what the government can do. Unfortunately we've forgotten this and we ignore our founding principles. Today there are virtually no limits on what the government can do, which is why we are $36T in debt and are suffering the consequences of it.
 
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