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:) That's certainly a take. Not sure I disagree, though I think you may be making some leaps. But I maintain that social media algorithms promoting propaganda and misinformation has a far greater effect than actively seeking like-minded individuals on the internet.

I'll give you a specific example that in my political work I noticed long before algorithms became a major factor on the Internet.

In politics prior to say, 2000, individuals who were part of minority groups understood they had to build coalitions in order to get anything done. They formed these coalitions willingly and enthusiastically. Sometime shortly after 2000, I noticed that this was shifting. Individuals who were part of small minority groups began to coalesce in groups and forums on the Internet. Suddenly, if you identified as a minority, where perhaps you were 1 in 100,000 people in your physical community, you could join an internet group or forum of thousands or millions of others in your group. In that support, the idea that you would have to work with others to obtain the rights you wanted faded quickly. It gave the illusion of power to be working with so many like-minded individuals. Suddenly, there was zero patience, and the direct result was strong coalitions began to break apart. Any little difference between individuals grew to be huge differences. Coalitions simply began to disappear in many cases.. Each individual now demanded their rights immediately. And instead of building a movement, there was no patience. All politics became gorilla politics, where the goal was simply to disrupt any proceedings that didn't immediately address the grievances of the specific individuals.

Anyway...I ramble.

I think that has been made possible and exacerbated by the internet apart from the algorithms of the big players (which yes, make it worse).
 
At least people appear to realize that this is 100% a bribe. From the vantage of cold hard capitalism, it's a sensible move on Tim's part. He can't afford to let Musk be the only tech oligarch formulating policy. But take a step back and it's hard to see any semblance of morality, given that the bribee's net worth has increased something like $5 billion over the last couple of years. What does it say about the state of society when you still have to bribe a guy who already has everything he could possibly want, just to make sure he doesn't ruin your company out of spite or let your opponent run roughshod over your entire industry for fun?
 
At least people appear to realize that this is 100% a bribe.
I would say that people begin to realize that it was a JFK's very naive mistake to even think that there is actually "another USA" that does not consist of "secret societies" with a very conflicting interests that they are continually fighting over.
 
Stop with overwrought hyperbole. It's tiresome to the people in the middle that are not beholden to either party.

You know, the voters that decide which candidate is the lesser of two evils. Both choices were terrible again this election but the whole end of democracy thing was more insufferable than a narcissistic braggart for more people so I guess you can claim partial credit for the “dictator”.

What is your response to the people of Canada, Greenland and Panama? That you voted for the lesser of two evils and they are being just hyperbolic worrying about their sovereignty, country, culture, people and lives?

Are you suggesting when they are repeatedly threatened with the use of economic pressures and/or force to take over their countries, they should just move on with their day as there is nothing to see here?

Are YOU taking responsibilities, as a voter, for the incoming administration and their actions? They are YOUR representatives afterall.

Though I wish I could, I can’t claim any credit. I wasn’t fortunate enough to be part of the decision process. I, like billions of others, are mere audiences to this light show extravaganza. Attendance was mandatory.

Lastly, Austria would like a word. The last time the world ignored such rhetoric we ended up with a world war.
 
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Both sides, the Left and the Right, no longer want to be in a democracy. Democracy, at its heart, is a commitment to Centrism. To reaching across the aisle. But that means compromise, and building a shared vision with those you disagree with. THAT's democracy. And neither the Left nor the Right want anything to do with Centrism. You all simply want YOUR preferred ideas to win, even at the expense of Democracy.
You have to consider overton window shifts - the republican party now is straight up far right. Can't compromise with that.
 
You have to consider overton window shifts - the republican party now is straight up far right. Can't compromise with that.
It is very important to be very careful with definitions here especially if you are a bit wobbly on a conceptual side of things and think that black metal is far right and a pop song about the "cool kids" has nothing to do with far right.
 
It is very important to be very careful with definitions here especially if you are a bit wobbly on a conceptual side of things and think that black metal is far right and a pop song about the "cool kids" has nothing to do with far right.
what are you talking about
 
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This is exactly what I am talking about.

You are making bold statements without understanding what you are talking about.
Talking about bold statements, I think your statement without any further comment is exactly that.
Why do you say that? Can you proof his misunderstanding? Do YOU understand? If you do, then I like to read it. If you don’t understand, you better refrain from such remarks.
 
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Talking about bold statements, I think your statement without any further comment is exactly that.
Why do you say that? Can you proof his misunderstanding? Do YOU understand? If you do, then I like to read it. If you don’t understand, you better refrain from such remarks.
It is fundamentally very important not to be wobbly on a conceptual side of things.

God is with us vs We are with God.

Which one is fascism and which on is Bolshevism(bigger than me)?

Hint: Nazis belt buckles give away the right answer.
 
It is fundamentally very important not to be wobbly on a conceptual side of things.

God is with us vs We are with God.

Which one is fascism and which on is Bolshevism(bigger than me)?

Hint: Nazis belt buckles give away the right answer.
“Meine Ehre Heisst Treue” / SS….Gott mit uns” / Wehrmacht.
Remarkable….are you from Stalingrad (?)…not Wolgograd/Volgograd…?
 
“Meine Ehre Heisst Treue” / SS….Gott mit uns” / Wehrmacht.
Remarkable….are you from Stalingrad (?)…not Wolgograd/Volgograd…?
You touched on another very important(from conceptual standpoint) subject here: renaming historically significant landmarks such as Stalingrad and Leningrad as a way of subversion of the Great Russian Victory in WW2. It was started by a Trotsky follower Khrushchev as a part of the subversion of the Soviet Union since 1953.

It is the "little things" like that that give US State Department hope that they actually CAN cross all Russia's "red lines" without any consequences.

Current day Trotsky followers inside Russia were unable to inform US State Department about everything that Russia can do to the US so there is still hope that we will not have a WW3 in the near future.
 
Well, as to names.....Tsarytsin it was for more than 300 years...based on such a long history maybe that would be a more proper name (especially since communism now has turned into dictatorship once again). For the same reason Saint-Petersburg also?
I deeply respect that great Russian victory in WW2, but definitely not Russian communism as it showed under Father Stalin and I equally dislike present day dictatorship in Russia.
As things develop in the USA, I don't think any higher of that either.
It seems the world is run more and more by power hungry, selfish lunatics who don't give a sh*t about society/other people at all. Therefore I don't think there will be a WW3; for that there has to be world.
 
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Well, as to names.....Tsarytsin it was for more than 300 years...based on such a long history maybe that would be a more proper name (especially since communism now has turned into dictatorship once again). For the same reason Saint-Petersburg also?
This is exactly how Trotskism works. You find something "positive" and then insert a true negative "message" that will continue to work in subconscious for decades thereafter.

It is like a Trotsky worshiper "rebel" Russel Brand with his: "Stay free if you can afford it".

Stalingrad is a place where global fascism suffered defeat despite the fact that a traitor like Khrushchev virtually left an open road to Stalingrad for Hitler. Napoleon and Hitler both had assurance from traitors within Russia that they will meet very little to no resistance. And the traitors did the job well in 1941-42. So Stalingrad obviously blows Tsarytsin out of the water with all due respect to the latter.

It was Trotsky's team that started the Great Purge in 1937 with an objective to remove Stalin out of power. Stalin was ALREADY in power so there was no need for him to go through with it. The reason a lot of innocent people got prosecuted is because: Patriot is a traitor, a traitor is a patriot.
 
This is exactly how Trotskism works. You find something "positive" and then insert a true negative "message" that will continue to work in subconscious for decades thereafter.
I'm curious to what you think, I consider "positive"....or "negative".
It is like a Trotsky worshiper "rebel" Russel Brand with his: "Stay free if you can afford it".

Stalingrad is a place where global fascism suffered defeat
Agree 100% and it where Russians and Russians only that achieved this (at high losses).
despite the fact that a traitor like Khrushchev virtually left an open road to Stalingrad for Hitler. Napoleon and Hitler both had assurance from traitors within Russia that they will meet very little to no resistance. And the traitors did the job well in 1941-42. So Stalingrad obviously blows Tsarytsin out of the water with all due respect to the latter.
Matter of view. In what respect "blow out of the water" compared to 300+ years of history?
It was Trotsky's team that started the Great Purge in 1937 with an objective to remove Stalin out of power. Stalin was ALREADY in power so there was no need for him to go through with it. The reason a lot of innocent people got prosecuted is because: Patriot is a traitor, a traitor is a patriot.
Wasn't that great purge meant to consolidate the power of Stalin? He was met with opposition and criticism, if I have it right....opposition that, in his mind could only be met with violence. He already was in power....so no need for him to go through with this.
But....you're Russian...and I' m not. You probably know your history better than I do.
I still am interested in your viewpoint regarding present day Russian politics and leadership, although I can also imagine this is not easy for you.
 
I'm curious to what you think, I consider "positive"....or "negative".
Frankly it is very hard for me to say where is the "real you" as you seem to stay within a very "safe lane" of thought like: Communism is (mostly) bad, capitalism is (mostly) good.

Matter of view. In what respect "blow out of the water" compared to 300+ years of history?
US is probably less than 300+ years old and they already consider themselves as "indispensable cool kids". So obviously age means nothing, defeating global fascism means everything.

I still am interested in your viewpoint regarding present day Russian politics and leadership, although I can also imagine this is not easy for you.
This is very easy for me. I support 120% Special Military Operation. The only thing I will discuss with US is the status of Alaska/California and the status of the Fed as the Russians are among the founders.
 
Frankly it is very hard for me to say where is the "real you" as you seem to stay within a very "safe lane" of thought like: Communism is (mostly) bad, capitalism is (mostly) good.
On the contrary! Communism as it is meant, is not based not bad at all. It’s just that so far, there seem to be very few good stately interpretations of it (if any); maybe you can point me to some? And no, capitalism isn’t always good. Certainly not! At least I’m glad that I have daily food, a house and I am free to criticize how I want; if I want to tell the world that our prime minister is an a**hole, I can write that on a big sign and walk in front of parliament. Can you do that??
And then, you’re not saying Russia has anything communist anymore I hope. Because it’s as capitalistic as many other countries.
US is probably less than 300+ years old and they already consider themselves as "indispensable cool kids". So obviously age means nothing, defeating global fascism means everything.
Agree…defeating fascism is VERY important (the problem is, it comes in many shapes!) The Romans once, the British, the Dutch, etc. And eventually they all went down. What we see now is the fall of a dominating “empire”. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is very easy for me. I support 120% Special Military Operation. The only thing I will discuss with US is the status of Alaska/California and the status of the Fed as the Russians are among the founders.
How come, I did not expect anything else? As you probably don’t find it strange that I 130% condemn this brutal invasion and war by your leader. To me, your “Special Operation” simply means going to war and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives, without any thoughts. And most are too scared to say or do anything against it (understandable, because the slightest criticism gets punished very hard). And then one sided stories on all media (critical media have been silenced long time ago). Don’t you think that’s textbook brutal dictatorship?
I truly pity most Russia/Russians at the moment. I visited your country many years ago and I really liked it a lot; especially the people!

Best now to stick to the original subject, I think; we go too far from the original subject.
 
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How come, I did not expect anything else? As you probably don’t find it strange that I 130% condemn this brutal invasion and war by your leader. To me, your “Special Operation” simply means going to war and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives, without any thoughts. And most are too scared to say or do anything against it (understandable, because the slightest criticism gets punished very hard). And then one sided stories on all media (critical media have been silenced long time ago). Don’t you think that’s textbook brutal dictatorship?
Invasion? Do you even know the conditions for Ukraine's independence? They broke them all. Do you even know why Stepan Bandera is condemned as a Nazi criminal at the Nuremberg Tribunal? Or did you condemned or glorified those "heroes" who killed 12 000 people since 2014? Not to mention a false flag provocation like Bucha.

"Special Military Operation" is about using a proper term that is reflecting legality of the situation as nobody has actually declared a war.

I can see that you would much rather prefer another Trotskism: Nobody has declared a war but everybody is at war. Are you trying to catch a fish in a muddy waters? You will come up empty handed just like the BlackRock.

On the contrary! Communism as it is meant, is not based not bad at all. It’s just that so far, there seem to be very few good stately interpretations of it (if any); maybe you can point me to some?
Communism is actually closer to religion where everybody exist in harmony with ecosystem without excessive consumption.

People mostly only remember a subverted by Khrushchev version of communism where original goals were replaced by a "qualified consumer" mindset: "Let's overtake the USA in terms of consumption of meat and milk!" Again Trotskism at its finest as technically having more food is "somewhat positive" that you can easily sell to a non-suspecting people.
 
Invasion? Do you even know the conditions for Ukraine's independence?
the one in 1918 which the Bolsheviks / Lenin made impossible?
Do you think Ukraine still has nuclear weapons (I think that under pressure from both Russia and USA they removed them all....part of the deal)?
They broke them all. Do you even know why Stepan Bandera is condemned as a Nazi criminal at the Nuremberg Tribunal? Or did you condemned or glorified those "heroes" who killed 12 000 people since 2014? Not to mention a false flag provocation like Bucha.
False flag provocation.....I know what the one-voice impartial media in Russia tell you.
But Stepan Bandera? The one who was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen concentration camp? The one who was killed by Bohdan Stasjinski on the instructions of KGB?
Could the holodomor (thank you father Stalin), could have anything to do with a first positive reception the Germans got when they invaded Ukraine?

"Special Military Operation" is about using a proper term that is reflecting legality of the situation as nobody has actually declared a war.
That's the way to do it....call it special military operation....and then send your own sons/military to another sovereign country by the hundreds of thousands, to fight, slaughter, kill as many as possible, and die. It's just a "Special Military operation", so how bad can it be?
Hey...don't dare to call it War!...because it isn't ofcourse...and if you call it war...we'll arrest you and put you in jail for years. We do the same as in a true war, but please do not call it a war. Laughable!
I can see that you would much rather prefer another Trotskism: Nobody has declared a war but everybody is at war. Are you trying to catch a fish in a muddy waters? You will come up empty handed just like the BlackRock.

Communism is actually closer to religion where everybody exist in harmony with ecosystem without excessive consumption.
Closer than capitalism, you mean? You could be right, but I still did not read any examples from you; what countries have a cumminist system that works the way it should?
By the way, I cannot complain at all; house/food/warmth/freedom of speech. Vast majority of people have that where I live....what about you and Russia?
People mostly only remember a subverted by Khrushchev version of communism where original goals were replaced by a "qualified consumer" mindset: "Let's overtake the USA in terms of consumption of meat and milk!" Again Trotskism at its finest as technically having more food is "somewhat positive" that you can easily sell to a non-suspecting people.
I guess it's easier to sell war as a "Special Military Operation", and sell "follow the rules and ventilate the same message as the great leader" as freedom of speech.

As I said in my earlier post, I think I'll stop discussing this subject now; this thread is going off topic. I prefer to stay on topic....(gift to Donald Trump and American society)
Wish you all the best and hopefully once we both live in a less polarised world.
 
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This is exactly what I am talking about.

You are making bold statements without understanding what you are talking about.

I was confused when you brought up black metal (which I know a lot about, fwiw) and some pop song. Just confused is all.

I'm pretty comfortable with the statement that the Republican Party is a far-right party. They're not entirely cohesive, but they tend to acquiesce to Trumpism more than not. Hell, damn near every point is checked off from Eco's Ur-Fascism

As far as USSR communism discussion, can't add much there except I think Putin is slaughtering his people for his egotistical pursuits of a greater Russia
 
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the one in 1918 which the Bolsheviks / Lenin made impossible?
Do you think Ukraine still has nuclear weapons (I think that under pressure from both Russia and USA they removed them all....part of the deal)?
Ukraine did not have competencies/money to maintain nuclear weapons, it is a very dangerous liability and not a "game-changer" asset you seem to think it is. It is the same as it turns out Ukraine did not have the competencies to have a country at all and even US/UK cannot replace(or never really intended to) those statesmanship competencies.

False flag provocation.....I know what the one-voice impartial media in Russia tell you.
But Stepan Bandera? The one who was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen concentration camp? The one who was killed by Bohdan Stasjinski on the instructions of KGB?
Could the holodomor (thank you father Stalin), could have anything to do with a first positive reception the Germans got when they invaded Ukraine?
Stepan Bandera was not tortured or thrown in a gas chamber in a "concentration camp" like many others were, he was a mild annoyance for the Hitler with demands to have his own country and therefore put "on a retainer" for later use against Russia. Again more Trotskism that acts on assumption that people don't know that not all prisoners are created equal and some have a special status which Stepan Bandera clearly enjoyed. Are you questioning the authority of Nuremberg Tribunal who found him to be a Nazi? I can't help you here.

Holodomor happened not just in Ukraine but in Russia as well as all bread was taken by the West as a payment for machinery needed for industrial revolution. The West
refused to accept payment in gold and only demanded bread. The Satan works in a "mysterious ways" isn't he? Without the industrial revolution Soviet Union would have lost the war with the Nazis, so Stalin's heart was in the right place after all.

By the way, I cannot complain at all; house/food/warmth/freedom of speech. Vast majority of people have that where I live....what about you and Russia?
I can't complain about any of that.
 
Ukraine did not have competencies/money to maintain nuclear weapons, it is a very dangerous liability and not a "game-changer" asset you seem to think it is. It is the same as it turns out Ukraine did not have the competencies to have a country at all and even US/UK cannot replace(or never really intended to) those statesmanship competencies.


Stepan Bandera was not tortured or thrown in a gas chamber in a "concentration camp" like many others were, he was a mild annoyance for the Hitler with demands to have his own country and therefore put "on a retainer" for later use against Russia. Again more Trotskism that acts on assumption that people don't know that not all prisoners are created equal and some have a special status which Stepan Bandera clearly enjoyed. Are you questioning the authority of Nuremberg Tribunal who found him to be a Nazi? I can't help you here.

Holodomor happened not just in Ukraine but in Russia as well as all bread was taken by the West as a payment for machinery needed for industrial revolution. The West
refused to accept payment in gold and only demanded bread. The Satan works in a "mysterious ways" isn't he? Without the industrial revolution Soviet Union would have lost the war with the Nazis, so Stalin's heart was in the right place after all.
Around 6 million victims/death. Yes, his heart was in the right place.
I can't complain about any of that.
Lucky you. Majority in Russia should be happy these days.
Good luck!
 
I was confused when you brought up black metal (which I know a lot about, fwiw) and some pop song. Just confused is all.
The pop song about the "cool kids" is more dangerous as it is more subtle in its "message" and injects into your subconscious the idea that some are "worth more than others" which is an outright fascism.

Black metal can be an outright cartoonish and goofy about its fascination with war, Nazis etc. and therefore it is less dangerous and mostly can be used as a smoke and mirrors to cover up the real fascism of the "cool kids". It is this counter-intuitive nature of politics that people usually struggle with and therefore get easily manipulated by the likes of Trotsky.

It is the same as beer is more dangerous than Jack Daniels.
 
Around 6 million victims/death. Yes, his heart was in the right place.

Lucky you. Majority in Russia should be happy these days.
Good luck!
Around 28 million died in a war with the Nazis. Without the industrial revolution there would have been 300 million deaths and no Soviet Union/Russia at all. Don't forget that it was a war to total extinction but Stalin in his wisdom said: Hitlers come and go but the German people remain. I believe we still have a moral right to put all of Germany under the concrete, then again I am not as wise or kind as Stalin.

As to the power/example of the "successful" communism I forgot to mention that there is a reason why US/UK viewed even a subverted Soviet Union of the late 80's as an economic threat to themselves. Sometimes it is the counter-intuitive ways that get you the best answers.

Good luck with your quest for conceptual power!
 
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