Apple CEO Tim Cook Donating $1 Million to Trump's Inaugural Fund

[aloysiusfreeman]

The pop song about the "cool kids" is more dangerous as it is more subtle in its "message" and injects into your subconscious the idea that some are "worth more than others" which is an outright fascism.

Black metal can be an outright cartoonish and goofy about its fascination with war, Nazis etc. and therefore it is less dangerous and mostly can be used as a smoke and mirrors to cover up the real fascism of the "cool kids". It is this counter-intuitive nature of politics that people usually struggle with and therefore get easily manipulated by the likes of Trotsky.

It is the same as beer is more dangerous than Jack Daniels.

Ok, I can vibe somewhat with this. As far as pop music in this regard, I've always been fond of this Robert Crumb screed on Modern Popular Music. And black metal writ large isn't dangerous, though there are certainly those that are believers or too subversive where I simply care less about them.

Trotsky, I don't have an opinion of him other than a few good essays I've read. Don't think it pertains at all to the US today, though.

 

[avz]

Trotsky, I don't have an opinion of him other than a few good essays I've read. Don't think it pertains at all to the US today, though.

Abortion=Unburdened by what has been=Unburdened by what will be.

Trotsky and his followers will count on the fact that most people are not conceptually sound to understand that without the past you will not have a future and therefore take a full advantage of that.

 

[BaldiMac]

So much misinformation by avz.

Bandera was a Nazi collaborator. He was not tried a Nuremberg. He was not a Nazi ideologically. He collaborated with the promise of Ukrainian independence.

And Bandera is only being brought up as a controversial distraction that doesn't justify the current war.

"Cool Kids" by Echosmith has exactly the opposite meaning that avz claimed. It is about the value of independence even if you feel like an outsider. And thinking some people are cooler than you certainly isn't fascism.

Black metal is certainly far left. I don't think anyone is confused about that. Not many satanists on the far right. Though there are certainly Nazis within the black metal community.

Stalin killed millions outside of WW2 either directly or through his policies. Most estimates are in the 20 million range. That does not include the 20 million Soviets killed during WW2.

 

[Dutch60]

Around 28 million died in a war with the Nazis. Without the industrial revolution there would have been 300 million deaths and no Soviet Union/Russia at all. Don't forget that it was a war to total extinction but Stalin in his wisdom said: Hitlers come and go but the German people remain. I believe we still have a moral right to put all of Germany under the concrete, then again I am not as wise or kind as Stalin.

As to the power/example of the "successful" communism I forgot to mention that there is a reason why US/UK viewed even a subverted Soviet Union of the late 80's as an economic threat to themselves. Sometimes it is the counter-intuitive ways that get you the best answers.

Good luck with your quest for conceptual power!

Thank you! Wish you no less.

 

[Dutch60]

So much misinformation by avz.

Bandera was a Nazi collaborator. He was not tried a Nuremberg. He was not a Nazi ideologically. He collaborated with the promise of Ukrainian independence.

And Bandera is only being brought up as a controversial distraction that doesn't justify the current war.

"Cool Kids" by Echosmith has exactly the opposite meaning that avz claimed. It is about the value of independence even if you feel like an outsider. And thinking some people are cooler than you certainly isn't fascism.

Black metal is certainly far left. I don't think anyone is confused about that. Not many satanists on the far right. Though there are certainly Nazis within the black metal community.

Stalin killed millions outside of WW2 either directly or through his policies. Most estimates are in the 20 million range. That does not include the 20 million Soviets killed during WW2.

As you can expect, I agree.

 

[avz]

Stalin killed millions outside of WW2 either directly or through his policies. Most estimates are in the 20 million range. That does not include the 20 million Soviets killed during WW2.

There are no documents to prove that. Solzhenitsyn admitted that his "millions" was more a figure of speaking than the fact and he also collaborated with the "secret service" from the West. The 800 000 or so prosecuted during the "Great Purge" included both guilty and innocent and even those who eventually got an amnesty and freed from prison.

The crimes against humanity by Stepan Bandera is well documented and were shown at the Nuremberg Tribunal. A Nazi collaborator is not an upgrade from the Nazi, it is even worse.

As for the "cool kids", I was not talking about any particular song, what is important here is the concept itself.
You are also proved that it is already "normal" for you that some are "cooler" than others. This is the effect of the slowboiling/overtone window at work. Can't argue with something that just works.
If we are all cool kids then the "cool kids" will be left out wouldn't they? Ask a Moore/Burns terrorist alliance of desperation about that.

 

[avz]

And Bandera is only being brought up as a controversial distraction that doesn't justify the current war.

Wait, have you just said that a hundred people that got burned alive in Odessa on 2 of May 2014 and 12 000+ people killed in Donbass did not justify the current war?

Bandera is brought up because: tell me who is your hero and I am going to tell you exactly how your life is gonna go and down what toilet your "country" is gonna go.

There is a reason why even USA can't afford to say that Stepan Bandera is their hero.

How many US citizens do you need to get killed in order to justify a war?

 

[BaldiMac]

As for the "cool kids", I was not talking about any particular song, what is important here is the concept itself.

Sure you were. Now you're pretending you weren't, since you were obviously wrong.

Wait, have you just said that a hundred people that got burned alive in Odessa on 2 of May 2014 and 12 000+ people killed in Donbass did not justify the current war?

No, I didn't say that. You completely made it up.

 

[avz]

Sure you were. Now you're pretending you weren't, since you were obviously wrong.

No I don't know the song you are referred to. You are admitted though that it is OK that somebody is cooler than you, right? It is OK that there is an "elite" and there is a crowd, right?

No, I didn't say that. You completely made it up.

So there was plenty of reasons to start a war even in 2014.

 

[BaldiMac]

No I don't know the song you are referred to. You are admitted though that it is OK that somebody is cooler than you, right? It is OK that there is an "elite" and there is a crowd, right?

I’m not going to respond any more since you aren’t engaging in good faith. You referenced a specific song in two different posts (“a pop song…” and “the pop song…”), not as you now claim any song that mentions cool kids.

And no, cool is not a synonym for elite.

So there was plenty of reasons to start a war even in 2014.

Not even close.

 

[avz]

I’m not going to respond any more since you aren’t engaging in good faith. You referenced a specific song in two different posts (“a pop song…” and “the pop song…”), not as you now claim any song that mentions cool kids.

And no, cool is not a synonym for elite.

I am glad that you don't think that cool is a synonym for elite. This why we are all standing with the kids of Donbass and not with the Nazi collaborator worshipers.

Not even close.

So how many US citizens you will need to get killed in order to justify a war? There must have been at least a few hundreds of US instructors and mercenaries are dead in Ukraine.

 

[vantelimus]

Not sure what you think I disagree with there. Other than I consider center right to be part of the center.

I wasn't clear in what I wanted to communicate by pointing out that Democrats are center-right.

American politics are skewed to the right. With a center-right party and a far-right party, it skews the compromise position from center to solidly right. What appears centrist to the US citizen is right-wing by historical and world standards.

I disagree with the bothsidesism here. The vast majority of the Democratic party supports pro-democracy reforms. The Republicans do not. Because pro-democracy reforms would benefit the current Democratic party and force the Republican party away from the far right.

There wasn't bothsidesism. You need to look at the reality of action vs. rhetoric. While some Democrats call for pro-democracy reforms, it isn't a priority for the party. Indeed, when I look at the recent election, Nevada had rank-choice voting on the ballot. Both parties mobilized against it. Democrats may have better rhetoric, but they have a bad record of wanting change when they are in power.

 

[MAlbi]

It’s not new but lobbying of all types I despise, no matter who is doing it and whatever side benefits.

Unfortunately you try and prevent it then it reverts to lots of small “gifts” and through other shady means to try and hide it.

That is a problem, that power corrupts and who has a lot wants even more. But imho we would have to have a longer debate to understand each other. Personally, separating religon works and it must be also politics from state bureaucracy as much as possible is the path. Politics make descisions, bureaucrats implement. Not that these two fight each other.
EDIT: adding that whoever is elected has the right to decide, unelected people do not have the right to decide.

 

[kp98077]

This is SO disturbing, how someone like Tim Cook flip flops. Makes me seriously want to quit apple all together. Gross

 

[ducknalddon]

EDIT: adding that whoever is elected has the right to decide, unelected people do not have the right to decide.

There are some areas where the temptation is too much for politicians. Controlling interest rates is one example, before the UK made the Bank of England independent politicians were always meddling for short term gains.

 

[Lioness~]

This is SO disturbing, how someone like Tim Cook flip flops. Makes me seriously want to quit apple all together. Gross

I don't wan't to quit Apple - I want Cook to quit Apple!

 

[MAlbi]

There are some areas where the temptation is too much for politicians. Controlling interest rates is one example, before the UK made the Bank of England independent politicians were always meddling for short term gains.

Independent central bank is an illusion. I wish it was not. Politicians appoint central bankers in many countries imho and this is what i ment by descision making. England is imho still far away from Turkey, China, Russia.

 

[ThomasJL]

Yesterday, Donald Trump posted the following 33-second video which shows how he wants to profit from genocide and ethnic cleansing:

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

truthsocial.com

That is what Tim Cook donated $1 million dollars to. By donating $1 million dollars to Trump, Cook has supported genocide and ethnic cleansing.

 

[anthogag]

Yesterday, Donald Trump posted the following 33-second video which shows how he wants to profit from genocide and ethnic cleansing:

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

truthsocial.com

That is what Tim Cook donated $1 million dollars to. By donating $1 million dollars to Trump, Cook has supported genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Yes, he is truly evil. A true ignorant delusional dicktator.

 

[frenchcamp49er]

Yesterday, Donald Trump posted the following 33-second video which shows how he wants to profit from genocide and ethnic cleansing:

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

truthsocial.com

That is what Tim Cook donated $1 million dollars to. By donating $1 million dollars to Trump, Cook has supported genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Started on Biden watch and Cook also donated money to him. Cook supported destroying terrorists

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

Started on Biden watch and Cook also donated money to him. Cook supported destroying terrorists

Yeah. I remember the press conference where he denied Israel was committing a genocide. Also he attacked the international court after they put a warrant against that Israeli guy

 

[Dutch60]

Yes, he is truly evil. A true ignorant delusional dicktator.

Agree. I bet Trump would not mind flattening Auschwitz and turn it into an amusement park, if that would earn him money and power.

 

[anthogag]

Agree. I bet Trump would not mind flattening Auschwitz and turn it into an amusement park, if that would earn him money and power.

Yes. Trump admires Hitler. His 1st wife said he kept a book of Hitler speeches by his bed. Trump also said Hitler did some good. He would ‘cancel’ Nazi history and convert Auschwitz into restaurants, hotels, shopping, and an amusement park.

 

[Dutch60]

Agree. I bet Trump would not mind flattening Auschwitz and turn it into an amusement park, if that would earn him money and power.

@tridley68. Your laugh about this idea says enough

 

[Alameda]

Started on Biden watch and Cook also donated money to him. Cook supported destroying terrorists

Destroying terrorists is one thing and ethnic cleansing is another.

There’s been a lot of hyperbole thrown around the Gazan War. I agree that Hamas must be removed and I agree that they deliberately situated themselves so as to maximize Palestinian civilian casualties. The hard truth is that, in wars, civilian casualties exceed combatant casualties.

BUT… Fast-forwarding to “all Palestinians must be removed from Gaza” is very different. That act would certainly fit the definition of ethnic cleansing. I can only hope that it is a bluff intended to bring the Arab world to its senses in supporting the peaceful coexistence of Palestinians and Israel… but I doubt it. Trump seems to believe that conquering nations is what strong powerful leaders are supposed to do.