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Apple CEO Tim Cook Publicly Comes Out as Gay in Letter Declaring Support for Equality

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iPad Air said:
I certainly support him as CEO of Apple. But certainly don't support his homosexuality.
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taptic said:
You're going to get attacked for that, but if it helps, you aren't the only one that feels that way.
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I am absolutely astonished how many likes you two have got on your posts. I am starting to think I have misjudged the type of people I am engaging in conversation with here.

I really struggle with people who condemn homosexuality and feel it is a choice or a sin in front of whatever god they choose to believe in. It is no different to saying you dislike somebody because of their nationality or skin colour as far as I am concerned. We are who we are and unfortunately we enter this world with make-up/DNA we have no control over. We don't get a say in our physical features or natural desires or we would all choose to be the perfect human being. I am disgusted when I see people say they can't accept or support somebody's sexuality. That is a dismissive, uneducated and a cold way to judge people just because they don't fit in with the way you perceive as normal. Nobody likes to be stigmatised, excluded or bullied with such terms of rejection as I have read here. Appalling :(
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I am absolutely astonished how many likes you two have got on your posts. I am starting to think I have misjudged the type of people I am engaging in conversation with here.

I really struggle with people who condemn homosexuality and feel it is a choice or a sin in front of whatever god they choose to believe in. It is no different to saying you dislike somebody because of their nationality or skin colour as far as I am concerned. We are who we are and unfortunately we enter this world with make-up/DNA we have no control over. We don't get a say in our physical features or natural desires or we would all choose to be the perfect human being. I am disgusted when I see people say they can't accept or support somebody's sexuality. That is a dismissive, uneducated and a cold way to judge people just because they don't fit in with the way you perceive as normal. Nobody likes to be stigmatised, excluded or bullied with such terms of rejection as I have read here. Appalling :(
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This thread has been an excellent learning opportunity in deeming who gets to go on my ignore list.
 
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I won't get angry about it, I'm just disappointed in 2014 there are still these views in society. I think I'm done with this thread.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I am absolutely astonished how many likes you two have got on your posts. I am starting to think I have misjudged the type of people I am engaging in conversation with here.
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I don't think you have observed the like system on this forum.
The more idiotic the post, the more likes it gets.

But I am surprised also, because I do not consider the posts you quoted that idiotic.
 
Meister said:
I don't think you have observed the like system on this forum.
The more idiotic the post, the more likes it gets.

But I am surprised also, because I do not consider the posts you quoted that idiotic.
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I think idiotic is the wrong word too. They are embarrassing more than anything. If you support that then that is truly sad.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I think idiotic is the wrong word too. They are embarrassing more than anything. If you support that then that is truly sad.
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i think that what you quoted there is to short to support. I think topics are more complicated than just good vs bad.
 
Why can't we just be like The Flinstones and Rubbles?....



:DWe'll have a gaaaaay olllllld tiiiiiiime!!!:D

Seriously...As conservative as I am, I still think it's stupid to discriminate against anyone for their sexual orientation...

However in that same token, I think it's counter productive to the cause of gay rights when you force, by law, churches to perform gay weddings when it violates their christian beliefs, or bakeries to bake your wedding cake when they have chosen not to do so...

It comes off as bullyish and it doesn't sit well with people....Even those who ultimately agree with your cause...
 
NickG420 said:
However in that same token, I think it's counter productive to the cause of gay rights when you force, by law, churches to perform gay weddings when it violates their christian beliefs, or bakeries to bake your wedding cake when they have chosen not to do so...

It comes off as bullyish and it doesn't sit well with people....Even those who ultimately agree with your cause...
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I couldn't agree more. It does seem rather bullyish. When California voted against same sex marriage and some judge (who is gay) overrules it i'm starting to think if our opinion matters anymore. :rolleyes: It's a real turd of a system.
 
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Ambush083 said:
I couldn't agree more. It does seem rather bullyish. When California voted against same sex marriage and some judge (who is gay) overrules it i'm starting to think if our opinion matters anymore. :rolleyes: It's a real turd of a system.
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I'm assuming this was sarcasm...

Either way...I'm not against gay marriage in any shape or form...In fact I don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all....Be it 2 men, 2 women, a man and a woman, a man and 6 women...If they are all of legal age and ability to give consent and agree, what business is it of the government at all??

That being said...Even in states where same sex marriage is not outlawed, if a church, for whatever reason, decides to not marry you....Just go to another church....Is it really that hard? Why would you want to be married by people who don't want to marry you? Or eat a cake from a bakery that doesn't want to make your cake? I don't get it...
 
taptic said:
Say something worth saying or be quiet.
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I did. Its very worth saying.

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NickG420 said:
I'm assuming this was sarcasm...

Either way...I'm not against gay marriage in any shape or form...In fact I don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all....Be it 2 men, 2 women, a man and a woman, a man and 6 women...If they are all of legal age and ability to give consent and agree, what business is it of the government at all??

That being said...Even in states where same sex marriage is not outlawed, if a church, for whatever reason, decides to not marry you....Just go to another church....Is it really that hard? Why would you want to be married by people who don't want to marry you? Or eat a cake from a bakery that doesn't want to make your cake? I don't get it...
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What the actual ****? This is segregation again...that and victim blaming. "Oh you weren't treated with respect, you should have gone somewhere else" you are saving gay marriage clearly. Your post shows that. So they are being denied service that straight couples get and you are saying they should go somewhere different?
 
Ambush083 said:
I couldn't agree more. It does seem rather bullyish. When California voted against same sex marriage and some judge (who is gay) overrules it i'm starting to think if our opinion matters anymore. :rolleyes: It's a real turd of a system.
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If you think that is a turd of a system, then you obviously do not know how a modern free (democratic) republic works.
If laws would simply be signed in effect by a majority vote then you would in fact live in a dictatorship.

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taptic said:
What exactly did anyone benefit from your voicing your thoughts right there?
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There is quite a bunch of interesting individuals here who put everyone they don't agree with on their "ignore list". I guess they only want to have their own view reinforced. I've had tons of people tell me they blocked me. It's like kindergarten :D

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NickG420 said:
That being said...Even in states where same sex marriage is not outlawed, if a church, for whatever reason, decides to not marry you....Just go to another church....Is it really that hard? Why would you want to be married by people who don't want to marry you? Or eat a cake from a bakery that doesn't want to make your cake? I don't get it...
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But what if a church refused to marry an inter-racial couple? Or a baker refused to bake a cake for them? Would you still say go to another church and get another baker?
 
meister said:
if you think that is a turd of a system, then you obviously do not know how a modern free (democratic) republic works.
If laws would simply be signed in effect by a majority vote then you would in fact live in a dictatorship.
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We aren't Democratic we're a Republic. We setup Democratic governments around the world though. I see what you are saying though.
 
Ambush083 said:
We aren't Democratic we're a Republic. We setup Democratic governments around the world though.
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That's mere semantic nitpicking and doesn't change my point.
The term "democracy" has changed it's meaning through the centurys.
 
Meister said:
[/COLOR]There is quite a bunch of interesting individuals here who put everyone they don't agree with on their "ignore list". I guess they only want to have their own view reinforced. I've had tons of people tell me they blocked me. It's like kindergarten :D
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Lol if you block everyone you disagree with then PRSI ain't much fun ;)

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Night Spring said:
But what if a church refused to marry an inter-racial couple? Or a baker refused to bake a cake for them? Would you still say go to another church and get another baker?
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I'd tell everyone to not go to that church or baker.
 
cwosigns said:
Nope. Nope. NOPE. Straight people don't keep their personal lives personal. They hold hands in public. They put pictures of their spouse on their desk at work. They openly use opposite-sex pronouns when recounting their weekend activities around the water cooler at work. The put stick figures of their little hetero families on their minivans. That is called heterosexual privilege, when you can be who you are without fear of negative consequences.

So when all straight people agree to keep their personal lives personal, I, as a gay man, will do the same. But really...this kind of comment is TIRING. The world belongs to everyone. You have to share it with everyone, including gay people. And you don't get to quash or silence topics that make you uncomfortable.
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Keep it in context - this is about company CEOs etc. And I really do mean that I'd prefer to see everyone in that situation keep their personal lives personal. I also don't want to hear about other CEO divorces, sexual fetishes or anything else, regardless of their sexual orientation!

And people holding hands in public... well you realise that's not personal? You said it - it's public. That has nothing to do with this. Like Tim Cook has said, Apple employees etc., probably almost everyone he deals with personally on a regular basis knew that he was gay. Who knows, when he's been in public walking down the streets maybe he has been holding hands with his partner? But when I'm interested and follow a company for their products etc. personal details of any individual are pretty irrelevant, so why would I want to know about it?
 
Ambush083 said:
No it hasn't.
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Aristotle coined the term and he called it the worst form of government, because as he used the term it simply meant majority dictatorship. The modern term democarcy usually incorporates checks and balances, separation of power and a represantative form of government. The term is not used in it's oiriginal meaning anymore, but has certainly changed.
 
NewbieCanada said:
If you are heterosexual, please make sure in that case you never, ever tell anyone you're married to a woman, or have a girlfriend, or post photos of your kids on your screen lest anyone have to be confronted with your heterosexuality.

If you yourself are gay, please instead persuade all your heterosexual friends and family to keep their personal info to themselves.
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Oh, if I was a CEO I would refrain from involving those personal details with my company.

And if I knew anyone in that type of position I would persuade them to do the same.
 
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