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This has nothing to do with :apple: and it's a shame Tim Cook even brought this up. His privat life is privat.

x2, don't ask don't tell. Nobody wants to hear about a CEO's bedroom behavior. Keep that nonsense to yourself Tim!

Not to mention the financial implications to the company, using the CEO position as a pulpit for endorsing a highly controversial viewpoint. That's going to be a turn-off to a lot of customers. I don't think the shareholders will take kindly to this stunt.
 
Yep, who you're attracted to is definitely a choice that should be "disagreed" with.



It's because you are one. If you disagree with the way someone else lives their life the answer is very simple - don't live your life that way. But denying them the rights that other people get because of their gender when they aren't harming other people? That is just prejudicial; how can you not see this?


Right in the very post you quoted I said they should have all the same rights. You intentionally left it out to make me look other than I am. Typical.
 
Hitler said all sorts of bizare things. He and his gang of thugs were an amazing asortment of mass murdering weirdos. Hitler was a Nazi. Naziism is a religion initself. He grew up in a catholic environment but he was not a christian.



It's easy to dismiss someone elses view long after they are dead. How others view him doesn't magically make his own view null and void.
 
You'd love to? Ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

A notable recent example is the shooting in Oslo Norway. Plenty of examples in underdeveloped nations in Africa.

In the United States? Abortion clinic bombings. Systemic covering up of molestation in the Catholic Church.


Quoting for those that missed it or pretending it doesn't exist. It's still an atrocity no matter how big or little it is.
 
My thoughts are that this was an unnecessary "release" to announce.

If the point is to be truly "equal", then there is no purpose to announce your sexuality.

You don't see "straight" people going out and announcing to the world that they're "straight".

And, likewise, there is no reason to go and announce that you're "Gay".

It's of irrelevant information.

If you are a same sex couple, enjoy your life together, go out together, and let people say what they will.

What was done was a matter of politics, not a matter of personal commitment to a spouse.

And, as all political action does, it ends up dividing the camps between those who support and those who oppose whatever political statement is being made.

I think it would not have surprised anyone to learn that Tim was "gay". It was something that subconsciously registered upon first observing one of his presentations. But, then again, I know many "gay" people, and have friends who are... And, I'll leave my own "preferences" as irrelevant as they are to anyone's business.

I can say without a doubt, that had I cared enough to think about it and ask myself if he was or wasn't, I would have come to the conclusion that he was. I already sensed it in watching his presentation, but it was as irrelevant to the presentation as it was to anything else. So, therefore, I gave it no specific thought.

I can assure you, that I spend little time pondering the sexual preferences of anyone I meet, or even celebrities for that matter. It's of no importance to me, unless there comes a time when I might consider whether said person and I are to be together. Until then, I don't care if they even have sex, and spend zero time considering whether they do or don't. It's of no relevance.

Tim's announcement is a political announcement. And, as such, it forms the basis of the reaction. Those who support the political cause, will rally around him. Those who don't, will oppose.

If it costs the company money, it's a political investment. A sacrifice for the cause.

If there are those who are so religiously convicted, then they will oppose with their money, and buy from someone else rather than contribute to a cause that they oppose.

Those who are indifferent to the cause, will buy from whomever has the products they desire.

Those who rally to the cause, will probably redouble their spending with Apple to support their cause.

In the end, one man's sexual preference is irrelevant to the product. How many of you have spent time laying awake at night wondering whether the iPhone you are holding was assembled by a "homosexual"??? Are you repulsed now? Better throw it out and coat your body in sanitizer, because you might be contaminated now. You might have just held something that a homosexual touched, and assembled... who knows what you've just come into contact with.

Or, you can grow up, and realize that sexual preferences are completely irrelevant. And, therefore of no matter to any of us. Tim isn't coming over for dinner at your place, he's a guy thousands of miles away from most of us. And, of little importance in the grand scheme of things. I certainly don't care who he has sex with, it doesn't affect any of us in the slightest.

Nothing has changed... Except that a man made a political statement. Politics do as they do. They distract, they sling mud, they make a lot of noise. Does it change the products? No. But, it may change the perception, and often it does.

So, spend your money where you will. But, you know, anything you buy could have been designed or assembled by a homosexual. Perhaps even the Big Mac you're eating right now.
 
And this is how the Russians have taken the news:

Vitaly Milonov, a prominent Russian anti-LGBT lawmaker and St Petersburg city council member, said Russia should ban Cook for life for being gay.
“What could he bring us? The Ebola virus, AIDS, gonorrhoea? They all have unseemly ties over there,”
 
Right in the very post you quoted I said they should have all the same rights. You intentionally left it out to make me look other than I am. Typical.

I apologize. I see it now - I assure you it wasn't intentional.

It's good to hear you're for marriage equality.
 
My thoughts are that this was an unnecessary "release" to announce.

If the point is to be truly "equal", then there is no purpose to announce your sexuality.

You don't see "straight" people going out and announcing to the world that they're "straight".

And, likewise, there is no reason to go and announce that you're "Gay".

It's of irrelevant information.

If you are a same sex couple, enjoy your life together, go out together, and let people say what they will.

What was done was a matter of politics, not a matter of personal commitment to a spouse.

And, as all political action does, it ends up dividing the camps between those who support and those who oppose whatever political statement is being made.

I think it would not have surprised anyone to learn that Tim was "gay". It was something that subconsciously registered upon first observing one of his presentations. But, then again, I know many "gay" people, and have friends who are... And, I'll leave my own "preferences" as irrelevant as they are to anyone's business.

I can say without a doubt, that had I cared enough to think about it and ask myself if he was or wasn't, I would have come to the conclusion that he was. I already sensed it in watching his presentation, but it was as irrelevant to the presentation as it was to anything else. So, therefore, I gave it no specific thought.

I can assure you, that I spend little time pondering the sexual preferences of anyone I meet, or even celebrities for that matter. It's of no importance to me, unless there comes a time when I might consider whether said person and I are to be together. Until then, I don't care if they even have sex, and spend zero time considering whether they do or don't. It's of no relevance.

Tim's announcement is a political announcement. And, as such, it forms the basis of the reaction. Those who support the political cause, will rally around him. Those who don't, will oppose.

If it costs the company money, it's a political investment. A sacrifice for the cause.

If there are those who are so religiously convicted, then they will oppose with their money, and buy from someone else rather than contribute to a cause that they oppose.

Those who are indifferent to the cause, will buy from whomever has the products they desire.

Those who rally to the cause, will probably redouble their spending with Apple to support their cause.

In the end, one man's sexual preference is irrelevant to the product. How many of you have spent time laying awake at night wondering whether the iPhone you are holding was assembled by a "homosexual"??? Are you repulsed now? Better throw it out and coat your body in sanitizer, because you might be contaminated now. You might have just held something that a homosexual touched, and assembled... who knows what you've just come into contact with.

Or, you can grow up, and realize that sexual preferences are completely irrelevant. And, therefore of no matter to any of us. Tim isn't coming over for dinner at your place, he's a guy thousands of miles away from most of us. And, of little importance in the grand scheme of things. I certainly don't care who he has sex with, it doesn't affect any of us in the slightest.

Nothing has changed... Except that a man made a political statement. Politics do as they do. They distract, they sling mud, they make a lot of noise. Does it change the products? No. But, it may change the perception, and often it does.

So, spend your money where you will. But, you know, anything you buy could have been designed or assembled by a homosexual. Perhaps even the Big Mac you're eating right now.

Right... Because gays these days don't need anyone to look up too, and bullying doesn't exist, and not one politician said just this year that gays should be stoned or rounded... So, this is obviously... Useless...

You seem to have not a clue.

Something has changed if people like you are bothered. If truly it made no difference you wouldn't hot under the collar about it.
 
I feel comfortable saying Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed this.

Anymore remember the days when Apple executives were aloof? Yeah, those were the days under SJ.

Steve just wouldn't want the distraction. He'd want his people working.

Steve Jobs and Apple were longtime supporters of gay rights, and they publicly opposed Prop 8 in California.

Of course, in your imagination you can make Steve Jobs do anything you want.
 
What equal rights does he want that he doesn't already have? He seems to think he's some sort of martyr to the cause. Just get on with your day job mate and keep your private life to yourself. I've had enough of the politically correct thought police trying to dictate what we can say, think, believe.
 
I knew this thread would bring out the silent bigots. Good. Because now I can block every one of you and your ignorance. You're the minority now and its only going to get worse for you.

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As a Christian I disagree with some of your choices.

THAT comment is why you are being labeled a bigot. BEING. GAY. IS. NOT. A. CHOICE.

This is why I can't mess with religion man. Its so frustrating dealing with the mindsets. Like talking to a brick wall.
 
I knew this thread would bring out the silent bigots. Good. Because now I can block every one of you and your ignorance. You're the minority now and its only going to get worse for you.

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As a Christian I disagree with some of your choices.

THAT comment is why you are being labeled a bigot. BEING. GAY. IS. NOT. A. CHOICE.

This is why I can't mess with religion man. Its so frustrating dealing with the mindsets. Like talking to a brick wall.

I'll respond to this later. Sleepy time.
 
The moderators have the means to lock and clean up topics. They have done this before on topics that were not in PRSI. Once the clean up was done, the topic re-opened for posting. So what you said is just an excuse. The moderators can deal with a topic's posts without relegating the topic to PRSI.

Moderating a long, active thread is more complicated than you think.

It's not an excuse. It's just the reality of it. These types of threads can spiral out of control in minutes.
 
It is unwise for Mr. Cook to take the focus and passion of both himself and Apple away from making beautiful tech products, to highly divisive and contentious social issues relating to his own personal sexual preferences, which have nothing to do with the business and magic of Apple, and which the public does not need to know anyway. Steve Jobs would have never done anything like this. These shenanigans just provide further evidence that Tim Cook is not the same caliber as his predecessor in terms of product passion, company vision, and focus.
 
I disagree. Who is stopping Tim Cook from being gay? They allow naked people to strut about downtown San Francisco and no one bats an eye. I don't see this oppression.

It sounds more like you want everyone to not only tolerate this lifestyle, but you want us all to accept it and celebrate it. Not gonna happen.

No one is stopping him from being gay. But In 29 states he could be fired for being gay. And in many places all over this country he wouldn't have rights to visit a partner in the hospital. As much Marriage equality has expanded it's still only barely in a majority of states.

You don't see this oppression because you are not looking for it.

Nobody is going to make you celebrate equal rights, but if you don't learn to accept it you are only hurting yourself.
 
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