I never said he was. Just saying that the work JI does is generally done better by gay people. They seem to have a flair for that sort of thing where as in TC's case I don't think it does.
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I never said he was. Just saying that the work JI does is generally done better by gay people. They seem to have a flair for that sort of thing where as in TC's case I don't think it does.
Also, many anti-gay laws that exist today in former British colonies (which is a pretty big chunk of the globe) are a hangover from the days of the British Empire. Sri Lanka is one example.
Howling.
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There is no such thing. You are merely believing in fairy tales to make the end of life seem like it has more. It doesn't. Lights out. Game over. No gates. No man in a white cloak.
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That is complete and total BS, we have pretty detailed records of all mayor and most minor people and civilizations up until 3-4000 years ago.
He is neither archeologist or historian he has some theorys unbacked by any evidence (and even his own books contradict him sometimes) that aliens gave us certain scientific advances and or helped us.
I think you have little or no clue what you are talking about, as well as in health, politicis, science, freedom, ... western style democratic countries are far beyond anything we had in the last millenia .
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More specific the catholic/english church . Most if not all sexual taboos come from them Ironic seeing that lots of the clergy there are gay/pedo/out of norm sexuality .
You have a mighty strong faith in this civilization.
You are right that Däniken does not have a degree in archeology, but he did quite a lot of research that can not be simply discarded as "unbacked".
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For the last millenia that is largely correct.
I'm a translator. I can tell you that yes, all translations are bad copies of the original, even if you have all the best translators in the world working on them. We try our best, but it's just the nature of languages that it's imposible to 100% replicate what is said in one language in another. Especially so when we are dealing with subtle and complex concepts such as morality. Like for instance the word "judge." I wouldn't be surprised if the original word being translated as "judge" covered a slightly different set of concepts than the modern English word "judge." Same with words like "mercy," "indecency," "abomination" etc. There's been so many times where I've seen somebody go on and on about something from some book they read in translation, only the original didn't actually say what they thought it did. Not to say all translation are useless, but it is foolish to expect them to be perfect.
How does one's sexual orientation make something more "hip"? So you are saying that being heterosexual is less cool? Give me a break..
He has written a lot of books but parts of the one I once got my hands on made me have little faith in that he puts up any decent theory. It was more speculation on speculation sometimes supported by usualy out of context/more speculated evidence .
There are a lot better true archeologist that list the gaps we have of some cultures/peoples/sites.
And it is simple fact about what we know. Dont know where you get any civ would have been any ore advanced in any field.
DO give some examples for after 2000bc large civilizations we know nothing about .
You state we dont even know the last decades .
Again we have a pretty good understanding of the last millenia do we know everything of course not.
And you ignore the thread : in history homosexuality in lots of cultures was nothing out of the ordinary; denying that is simply denying history of the last couple of millenia .
As for your remarks on "other uknow civ's" well if they are unknown how are you claiming they condemned homosexuality?
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I don't care if Cook is homosexual, heterosexual, an active member of the cross-dress p-town club, or if he likes to do it in a church of whatever religion to a tune of a flute or gigantic organs while being watched by lesbian altar boys or in front of a chimpanzee copulating a giraffe or an alien. I just want a new 30 inch replacement for the 30 inch cinema display, so where is it?
I take your point that translations are necessarily imperfect. As you say, they are far from useless. We are actually on the same page here I believe. The multiple meanings for the English word for love is the easiest example we could point to. The writers of the gospels had 4 words for different kinds of love. This, of course, is why scholars like yourself can make a living writing commentaries to help the rest of us lay people understand the original intent of the passage
Very thoughtful comment. Thanks.
I'm done with this thread and am only making final replies. If anyone wants to discuss further, they may send me a direct message. God Bless.
You're a perturbed hypocrite that confuses his opinions as fact. Your opinions don't even align with your own Scripture. You twist and stretch your own Scripture to fit your needs ... and in the process ... instead of trying to appear as a Christian ... it looks more like you are doing the devil's work. You are a seriously misguided human being and I'm sorry, but there's nothing godly about what you're doing here. You don't need to be a Christian to be a good person, which you are clearly not. Your agenda is based on holier-than-thou misguided righteousness and a level of selfish arrogance that I have not seen in many human beings. You truly disgust me. You are one of the worst examples of Christianity I have seen and I'm not really sure how you can live with yourself ... but I'm sure that you do so with a prideful sense of undeserved importance. Pride comes before the fall. That's all I can tell you.
You've blessed nobody in this thread ... and using the term "God bless" does not you wash you clean of the filth you have spattered all throughout this discussion. Please ... don't come back. You won't be missed. I promise.
Not all evidence has been destroyed - and there is no evidence anyone else was anywhere close to being as advanced as us.
I don't think anyone seriously doubts that the world was richer in the past than today. Any even remotely advanced civilisation would have left evidence all over th world. Some of it would have survived.
Well, I, personally, am not a scholar. I just translate things other people need translating. But you are right that scholarly commentary is an important supplement to understanding translated text from other cultures.
And while looking up the Beatitudes, I came upon this blog post (https://bible.org/seriespage/who-are-you-judge) that pointed out two different kinds of judgment -- Condemning Judgment and Discerning Judgment. Not recommending this site or this post or anything, but for me personally, thinking that there are different kinds of judging is helpful in reconciling the "judge not" directive with other Biblical passages where Jesus appears to suggest that one should make judgment on others. So just thought I'll share that.
It might've been richer in some ways and worse in others.
Racism and harrasment of homosexuals (to stay on topic) are certainly less prevailant today than in the last few centuries. In certain aspects mankind is progressing, in others it's the exact opposite.
Now, you may choose to leave the thread before the in-depth analysis begins, but I'd advise against it.
From one believer to another - you owe it to yourself to consider ambiguities of translations.
Such as: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc7.htm
Nobody expects
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The excess of religious debate in this topic is slowly but surely causing a most inappropriate mental association between the
red, black and white of dec.'s current avatar (pleasantly often in my peripheral vision) and the
red, black and white of the Spanish Inquisition
just the colours, you understand.
I suspect that the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición) was a tad less inclined than dec. to promote acceptance of human nature.
Sorry, dec..
Truly. I am sorry for choosing a toy-like representation of an ecclesiastical court that had such a clearly delineated organisational structure. Something better-delineated than fluffy toys might be more befitting a cartoon, maybe but there's horror enough in what was done, in the name of religion, without pushing people over the edge with overt presentation of a cartoon here. More than enough cartoon imagery in OS X 10.10 already, thank you very much.
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If there's one thing to be learned from all of this
it's that the phrase 'Spanish Inquisition' can apply to something far more modern, far healthier:
Thank you, Internet. Thank you, random results from Google image search. Thank you, 21st Century. There is hope.
Love and accept everyone
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The excess of religious debate in this topic is slowly but surely causing a most inappropriate mental association between the
red, black and white of dec.'s current avatar (pleasantly often in my peripheral vision) and the
red, black and white of the Spanish Inquisition
just the colours, you understand.
I suspect that the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición) was a tad less inclined than dec. to promote acceptance of human nature.
Sorry, dec..
Truly. I am sorry for choosing a toy-like representation of an ecclesiastical court that had such a clearly delineated organisational structure. Something better-delineated than fluffy toys might be more befitting a cartoon, maybe but there's horror enough in what was done, in the name of religion, without pushing people over the edge with overt presentation of a cartoon here. More than enough cartoon imagery in OS X 10.10 already, thank you very much.
So. That religion-obsessed Spanish Inquisition worked out really well, quite healthily, for all concerned.
Didn't it?
Didn't it?
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If there's one thing to be learned from all of this
it's that the phrase 'Spanish Inquisition' can apply to something far more modern, far healthier:
Thank you, Internet. Thank you, random results from Google image search. Thank you, 21st Century. There is hope.
A lot of ways. Privacy, freedom (in certain regards), people seem confused and mentaly disturbed ... I don't want to get on and on. Religions give people stability and a sense what's right and wrong. Once religions are compromissed and dissolved, something else will take their place and I have a feeling that this will not be good.
Respectfully, I've been there and done that on the translation ambiguities scene. As one of my old University profs (who did know original greek) used to say, if someone is trying to pull out the original language to propose some new spin on a doctrine, they are probably trying to pull a fast one. The Religioustolerance.org website has always impressed me as full of material to warp biblical doctrines in order to fit cultural trends. I know that is a broad statement, but I'm really short on time now. But as I said, if you want to discuss anything in particular, drop me a private message.
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