How is selling the default search engine spot to Alphabet for between $15-20b a year (and those numbers are just estimates by the NYT) a sellout of ones privacy principles? Apple's privacy principles are that they do not sell user data. When users go to the google web site to enter a query, they know full well that they're giving their query - and all that can be inferred from it - to Google. Apple doesn't factor into this handover of user data. There's no difference between a user going to google.com and entering the query and entering it on the Safari search bar.
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Apple 'Concerned' About China's New App Store Rules Banning Unregistered Foreign Apps
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Huh, so X is now Twitter huh?
No proofreader or editor on articles?
Bigger Q should be the 'what is the path to allow an additional app?' which probably becomes 'give us backdoor data access' which China probably isn't alone in..
Which is what we want.
The biggest threat for me, isn't China, but developers. They are the real immediate threat when using a mobile device.
Apple adhere to an even bigger principle than privacy: trying to follow the laws and regulations in all the markets they're in.
Seems impossible to have a viable discussion on this if your argument of 'Chinese gov is popular' is then followed up with <someone else's in disgusting>. Pot, meet kettle.
Personally, there is some validity in the statement about 'what has government done for the people' and the US needs to get it's head out of it's ass assuming 'we the people' are solely the rich and big business to varying degrees.
But hey, there is also freedom to say what you actually want to without fear of government reprisal (for the most part), and freedom to visit whatever sites you'd like. So yeah, not like China and others aren't effectively their own walled gardens with different 'fence decorations' ranging from flowers to armed guards depending on country..
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I never understood China's hostility towards Apple -- don't they account for so many jobs in China? Not just at Foxconn for assembly but so many other components? I guess the only answer is that they don't care for that and they rather own the entire market.
It means lifting over 800 million people out of poverty and achieving an almost 95% home ownership rate in a country with over a billion people (the media don't like talking about that second fact because it runs counter to the idea that China's housing market is ""collapsing"" because of CPC mismanagement when the reality is Xi and the CPC declared that housing is for LIVING IN and not for speculative investment. A brilliant move that would benefit Americans if we were so bold to suggest this idea ourselves). Let's add several thousand miles of modern infrastructure and high speed rail on top of that so that all of those former people in poverty can now access economic centers.
But yeah, everyone in China hates their government for accomplishing these things for them, sure... The NYT and Western press are absolutely NOT lying to you so you don't feel as bad when you see the literal rotting away of NYC subway stations for example. People that totally know the truth about China because they read about it in the Wall Street Journal be like: "Uhh yeah we could have super modern infrastructure and a functioning government too but that would mean being AUTHORITARIAN and EVIL like those Chinese fellas, so instead we're going to let things continue to erode as is. My favorite magazine assures me everyone in China hates the CPC and is begging for us to liberate them from Emperor Xi. Yeah our government has problems but so does theirs so I guess our tradeoffs are better than their tradeoffs. Therefore nothing should change and the system should continue as is."
Oh and by the way it was a Harvard study that concluded Xi Jinping's approval rate is amongst the world's highest. You know, Harvard, the institution that is totally pro CPC, right?
The sooner we accept the truth about China the sooner we can begin ACTUALLY competing and working with them as equals. The longer we delude ourselves and make up fake stories about their country the more of a head start we give them in defining the next century of world history.
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You are free to say and do as you'd like in China too, of course to a degree. That's the same in the US. You think I can say and do whatever I want in the US? No, I can be fired, imprisoned, or debanked for having the wrong political ideas. We have over a hundred years of precedent proving we do not allow dissidents to say or do whatever they want including how our government CRUSHED labor movements in the 1920's and 1930's or how we destroyed the Black Panther Party. A more recent example of this were the rail strikes.
Did you know that there are anti-Xi factions within the CPC? They are openly against him and Xi Jinping Thought, some are very pro West for example and wish for China to align itself with Western liberal values -- the majority do not agree with this of course. The one party system does not eviscerate opposition to the majority's position. If China were so deathly afraid of their citizenry accessing Western sites, why have they been so lenient on VPNs? Why not outright outlaw accessing all Western sites?
The Great Firewall has done well to protect China from external disinformation, the majority of Chinese people recognize and understand this because again, it turns out that contrary to what we're being told, China do something to help their own people and openly document the whole thing for everyone in their country to witness. The CIA concluded many years ago that infiltrating the Chinese citizenry is now next to impossible, thanks in part to the Great Firewall. Seems like the Great Firewall has been a big win in stopping foreign bots!
Anyway before long half the people talking about the evils of the Great Firewall will welcome our own equivalent of it in order to block "Russian bots" or whatever we're supposed to be scared of this time.
How does someone not comprehend that?
Apparently logic is an western-only construct.
Your argument is equivalent to a video platform only allowing Upvotes, and then claiming no one dislikes a video.
No it isn’t. There is nothing logical about western concepts that exist only in the halls of academia.
You just can’t wrap your head around the fact that some groups of people want to see actual results from their government instead of a democracy cluster-f where nothing gets decided, nothing gets done, and when it’s time to do a project we have to go to committee to vote on what color uniform the workers will wear on the job.
You said a bunch of nothing and basically reiterated what the other guy said. It goes to show that you western drones are just as bad as the “chicoms” in your groupthink except you’re unable to push forward meaningful progress.
They censor western BS joke “media.” Something every non American government should do. It’s funny how unrest disappears the moment your fake “free” press disappears from someone’s borders, it’s because all the US does is foment war and call it diplomacy. Your “free” press is equivalent to a “free” dirty diaper picked out of a dumpster. I would censor someone spewing diarrhea as well.
People in China don’t walk around in fear of criticizing their government. If they post something on Weibo that the government deems subversive, they’re going to get a text which roughly translates to “comment not make good feeling China nation. Please continue make good happiness toward China people for healthy nation.” And I’m not speaking broken English in a mocking way, it’s that the language does not translate over well.
Whereas in the U.S. if you go around criticizing the power structure the government contracts private companies to censor you and have you removed from society and close your bank account, and hides behind the guise of a so-called free market, with gigantic companies who’s CEOs visit the White House on a regular basis saying that private companies have a right to do business with whomever they choose. Now try to refuse to bake a cake for an LGBT wedding.
Germany was German. It’s too inconvenient for you to research the fact that Germany attempted to relocate Jewish people to British Palestine and the British said no. The point is that China is an ultranationalist superstate like Germany was and the 1930s were a very good time for Germans in the working class. Your “but muh Jewish people” ignores the root of the argument that China is solely working to better the nation for Chinese people, and the hilarious thing is that they are using western money to do it.
To be fair it is the US that came up with the "Foreign Agent Law" and despite having a world reserve currency, a firm grip on Bretton Woods institutions and mass media still seem to be very scared of the minuscule Russia Today. And keep in mind that Russia Today has a lot of subversive anti-Russia "messaging" which makes me question its true "goals" and ownership.
It’s not fear, it’s reaction to subversion by a foreign power. The end. When you have cancer on your body you remove it, it’s not based in fear but pragmatism.
Nah, government always censor out of fear. I think Winnie the Pooh is shaking at night about what international media reporting. 😂
Lmao you’re just like “nah bro you’re wrong” about what the perverse western media lies about on a constant basis. You don’t know anything about China. Go get some more information off the back of a cereal box.