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But, but... the iPhone must be first with new generation tech... no way any apparent patterns can be altered at any time. First iPhone, then everything else.

And so much for the apparent pattern of M-series releases too. Many thought they saw a pattern in only 2 generations and then M3, PRO & MAX hit together to alter that perception and now here's M4 out at a very odd time of the year vs. the apparent pattern.

As has been offered before, there is no pattern in only a few iterations of anything. Flip a coin 3 times and you may get heads or tails 3 times in a row. That doesn't mean even the next flip will come up the same way. And with tech, any apparent pattern is subject to change at any time.

I'm with #9: I won't be surprised to see the apparent ORDER of releases flipped as soon as WWDC with M4 Ultra jumping ahead of MAX & PRO. Why? Mostly because it is apparently in the most profitable Macs per-unit-sold... and- apparently- Apple likes money. 💰💰💰

M4 will be digested news by WWDC and the Mac lineup will have their 2 "most powerful" Macs running on what will seem like 2-generations-old brains.

AFAIC: Welcome M4! Now bring on the Macs with it ASAP.
 
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Shame it's wasted on the iPad Pro when they could whack it in the MBA/MBP right now. Might put the PC crowd to bed as well who think the Snapdragon Elite is going to bury the Mac.
I’m very happy with my m3 air. No spec chart is going to change the kind of consumers who are in the market for a windows based pc
 
Will it be throttled vs in the MacBook Pro? Or could they just go ahead and dump it in the next iPhone Pro?
 
It’s a very minor update overall (from m3; for MacBook/studio folks) and a substantial one from m2.

They basically took the M3 redesigned CPU/GPU architecture and slapped on a new display engine and the A17 Pro’s neural engine which runs already at 35 Tops. People forget Apple has had “AI” logic in their chips for ages. The only real new “AI”
For them will be generative AI. They’re already well positioned to support that on existing hardware.

It also seems they increase the core counts or the change in the the increase in CPU speed, including the increase in core counts over M2 is about the same as M3 was considering the same amount of core increases. They may have been some slight speed improvements.

So what you’re looking at for an M3 with a better neural engine.
That runs cooler and sips power better...
 
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I know people were skeptical that Apple would debut the M4 so quickly after the M3, but I love how rapidly they’re iterating their own silicon, after decades of relying on the likes of Intel/IBM/Motorola. Go hog-wild, Apple! Rock out with your 🍆 out.
 
While Apple adds words to make it seem like they've improved the design of their cores:

M4 CPU cores.png


It is not clear to me that these are improvements over the M3. I suspect they are comparing it to the M2, the SoC model in the prior iPad Pro offerings.

Regardless, as expected with anything industry wide these days, small increments are made from generation to generation.

The 120GB/s memory bandwidth implies using Samsung's LPDDR5X SDRAMs. But the typical user doesn't come close to maxing out memory bandwidth.

Typical users will be more impacted by the SSD speeds.
 
Should be a nice jump from my M1 iPad pro.. battery life on this thing has gotten so bad in the last few months.
Nice if you can afford it but unless you are using the creative processor intensive apps will you really notice the increase? Would be hugely cheaper to get Apple to replace the battery in your M1 model.
 
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So, 4+6 CPU cores, up from 4+4. 120 GiB/s memory bandwidth, up from 100.

Otherwise, a little unclear what if anything has changed. It's presumably a different TSMC process, but I presume each CPU, GPU, NE core is actually the same as before?
 
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don't understand why introduced in iPad, other than supply constraints (iPad is lower volume than MBA/P) ...
 
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Apple Silicon is generally so fast, that most of Apples customers wont know or care. Only a small subset of customers will utilise this to its fullest potential.

I have Apple Silicon… but my old Mac Mini is on intel… and when i switch between it and M2 Macbook Air doing regular productivity (thats not data processing intensive)… i dont notice. It just works basically.

(Actually, microsoft 365 boots up faster on my intel Mac than my Apple Silicon Mac…. Don't tell anyone though 🙄🤨🤔)

I couldn't agree with you more.

I'm still rocking a 12.9" 1TB 2018 iPad Pro with its A12X. This thing STILL screams for most things I do with it. The most demanding App I use is Logic Pro and for the sorts of projects I do, it runs like butter. I can't run Final Cut on the iPad, but I've long felt that video editing is too cramped on a 12.9" display, so it doesn't bother me.

Apple silicon seems to be outpacing software development in all but very select situations. Remarkable!
 
Its been mentioned a lot on here. Apple has to switch from N3B to N3E quickly to save money and if the iPad was on N3B it would cost them more seeing that the chip would be around longer. I think its in Apple's best interest to switch to M4 much faster and be aggressive about it so they can leave the N3B behind. It was a stop gap process that they don't really want

don't understand why introduced in iPad, other than supply constraints (iPad is lower volume than MBA/P) ...
 
Thinking about it makes sense to launch on the iPad.

Between the iPhone and the Macs the iPad is the one that really needs the most both the spotlight and upgrades reasons.
 
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While Apple adds words to make it seem like they've improved the design of their cores:

M4 CPU cores.png


It is not clear to me that these are improvements over the M3.

I presume this is too soon for "Improved branch prediction" to be the GoFetch exploit mitigation?
(ie: The M4 would have been taped out and in production prior to the exploit going public?)
 
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so the real question is - do we get update to studio next month or how long do we have to wait for Studio (or mini) to be updated now that the M4 is out and those are still on M2

My guess is we won't see an M3 Ultra. Instead, the Mac Studio doesn't get upgraded until winter, with the M4 Pro/Max/Ultra release.
 
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