Because the metal chassis and processor are both so good, it feels like Apple don't feel obliged to make much effort elsewhere on their devices. It looks pretty and the single core speed is brilliant whilst keeping cool, but they're really not trying hard otherwise.
The users that think 8GB is enough make me laughDefending 8GB in 2024 is concerning. Im sure if people did more than browse the web their minds would change
"For some reason"= because the price has fallen dramatically for RAM and Apple now charge a >1,000% markup on it, and haven't increased their base RAM for a long time. The fact people complain is natural, because no one wants to be taken advantage of or feel like they're getting shafted by a giant corporation.
I don't think that's the issue, because the one thing we know for certain is that if even a smallish but vociferous number of those who have actually bought an 8GB system recently were to feed back these kind of complaints, based on genuine performance issues rather than hyperbolic conjecture, Apple would have no choice but do something about it.
This would be true if it weren't for the fact that (as above) that isn't at all the market they're aiming their products at.
It’s not a win for Apple if they start driving customers away which I think is what’s happening.
What was the Memory Pressure? this is the real measure of whether you have enough RAM.
Well, yes, they can. Or more accurately in those markets (Europe and the UK of example) where there are pretty strict consumer protection laws, products have to be adequately built, fit for purpose, and adequately warrantied over a period rather greater than in the US for example. This gives consumers redress, usually via designated consumer protection agencies. Which means not having to sue, just filing a valid complaint. These same consumer protection laws also typically require advertising to be accurate, so that consumers can make informed choices.
There is a distinct problem with that system then, because I have the 27-inch version of the same model, and Safari works perfectly well. In fact I can go back to 4GB in a 2006 MacBook Pro, and Safari runs pretty well on even that - though these days it can't load a lot of sites due to modern security protocols which old versions of Safari don't support.but it's always been like this since we got this iMac LOL
that's what im saying.
iMac 21.5" (2017)
2.3 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5
8 GB 2133 MHz DDR4
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To be price sensitive doesn't have to mean that you are poor. I can afford Apple's products, but if I draw the conclusion that Apple is trying to lure me into buying, I don't buy. The fact that Apple is defending their base models mean they have a problem. There's no other way to describe it.
We'll have to agree to disagree, about practically every iota of that. Certainly about your comment that most people that complain here aren't really customers?? At least we agree that Apple are driven by profit.
I didn't say, suggest or imply it did. I try (not always successfully, admittedly) to say exactly what I mean, and what I mean is that Apple are not in the market to sell product to price sensitive consumers. They have said they cannot compete in that market and have no wish to try.
Yes, there is. It's called defending their product against ill informed statements being made by those who don't know what they're talking about.
The reason I say that most people who complain (I didn't say here, so don't appreciate the misapplication) are not customers is specifically in relation to this issue of 8GB RAM in systems (since that's the topic), and it's based on the fact that those who have bought 8GB systems generally seem very happy with them. I certainly am, and I'm fairly demanding as a user. And I don't see many complaints about 8GB coming from people saying 'my 8GB system is hopeless' or similar. Indeed, most who identify their systems as 8GB are actually saying they're quite happy.
I apologise for adding the word "here" in, but your wild claim about most people that complain not being customers is baseless. It's a completely and utterly different claim to "those who have bought 8GB systems generally seem very happy". You can't conflate the two, in any vague way shape or form. 🤦♂️
With all respect I think Apple knows more than you about if customers start driving away. And if they can see that trend they will within a minute calculate the business case of doubling ram and storage and make a rational decision on it.
Wild claim? Oh my, I made no such thing. What I said was that "if even a smallish but vociferous number of those who have actually bought an 8GB system recently were to feed back these kind of complaints, based on genuine performance issues rather than hyperbolic conjecture, Apple would have no choice but do something about it." I also said "And I don't see many complaints about 8GB coming from people saying 'my 8GB system is hopeless' or similar. Indeed, most who identify their systems as 8GB are actually saying they're quite happy."
here... last night: froze, screen went dark, still had Youtube audio playing, then finally logged out; didn't restart this time
Pretty much. Someone that hasn’t bought a new Apple device in the last 7-10 years while Apple has been selling 20+ million every year during that time… that person is not a “customer” to Apple and what those people want as a customer is not in line with where Apple wants to be as a company.
If Apple drives away people that don’t value what they’re selling while attracting new users that DO value what they’re selling, then it’s most definitely a win. Especially since that new, delighted, customer is likely going to buy additional products in the future.
I think it's easy to forget that as a successful business, whether we like them or not, Apple does know somewhat what it is doing. I can see them hurrying elevated M-series systems into production as an when they can, but there are two reasons I think they won't: The first is that they have a long history of off-kilter statements to justify why their not-as-fast-as-the-opposition devices are in fact better somehow, and finding a good argument is a lot cheaper than ditching lots of investment. Secondly, that I very much doubt there's a way to hurry up a supply line that complicated, without breaking it.
I had a similar problem when a fusion drive started flaking out. Make sure you have a backup. Recovering files from a "dead" spinning rust drive can be highly problematic if you can manage at all, and sending it off is prohibitively expensive, so if you're data isn't worth gold to you (and if it is still) see step 1 about backups.
If Windows ARM laptops don’t run macOS, then it doesn’t matter how performant they are, they’re still not Macs.
